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   boilerbay | Aug 18, 2009 03:54am | #1

   Got a bad link. You sure that's it?

   BB

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   nazard | Aug 18, 2009 03:59am | #2

   Boiler,

   Try it now!

   -Jerry

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   boilerbay | Aug 18, 2009 04:11am | #3

   Got it! Haven't tried it. Seen it a lot but I have a few LNs that do roughly the same. Like to hear how it works.
   ThanksBB

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   RMillard | Aug 18, 2009 01:36pm | #4

   Jerry,

   I have had the 2" wide version for years, and it works okay, but the blade is a little too thin, and it dulls rather quickly. I think the wider version with the optional 2 3/8" x  .024" blade would work quite well. The insert lacks a way to curve the blade so you have to sharpen it with a slight camber.  If you'd like to, you can email me through my website and I will give it to you, since I no longer use it.  It is missing the allen wrench

   Rob Millard
   http://www.americanfederalperiod.com

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   nazard | Aug 19, 2009 12:38am | #6

   Rob,

   Thank you for your kind offer!  Unfortunately, I had already ordered one.  I have done a bit of reading up and will experiment with the thicker blade. Having recently injured my left hand, the LV insert looks like it would be quite useful to me at this time.  

   Many thanks!

   -Jerry

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   RMillard | Aug 19, 2009 02:32am | #8

   You are welcome. I hope your hand gets better.

   Rob Millardhttp://www.americanfederalperiod.com

    

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   KiddervilleAcres | Aug 19, 2009 02:46am | #9

   Jerry,

   For some reason my mind wants a wider blade, not sure why; maybe because I'm more familiar with a card scraper, dunno.  I've never used a scraper plane so am at a loss as to what to expect.

   My pee brain keeps comparing it to a cardscraper, then it being in a plane body and considerably smaller, just doesn't seem to set right.  Old phart syndrome?

   Looking forward to hearing of your experience with it.

   Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

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   nazard | Aug 19, 2009 03:15am | #10

   Hey Bob,

   I'm really at a point right now that invites experimentation: I really messed up my LH thumb (broken, ripped off nail, lacerations) with a RAS kickback.  No conventional scraping for many months.  Options include my #80, my Veritas scraper holder, and the (new to me) scraper insert.

   I'm currently in my "Early Late Stickley Period" working white oak with some poplar thrown in as a secondary wood.  We'll see how this goes, and, I'll let you know.

   Best!

   -Jerry

   Oh, as to experimentation, an old #3 that I turned into a scrub plane is WONDERFUL!  If you happen upon an old junker, you might give it a try.

    

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   derekcohen | Aug 19, 2009 05:31am | #11

   To give you an idea of what you might aim for with the scraper insert as a scraper plane, here is a picture of my Stanley #112 on Tasmanian Oak (long grained wood) ...

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   On Jarrah, which is short grained, the shavings change - become shorter.  The following picture included the #112 plus my Stanley #4 1/2 with a blade ground to 45 degrees and reversed (creating a 90 degree scraper plane) ...

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   Regards from Perth

   Derek

   Edited 8/18/2009 10:34 pm ET by derekcohen

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   nazard | Aug 19, 2009 05:42am | #12

   Thanks Derek!  I'm going to set up the scraper insert with a 2 3/8 blade in a #4 1/2 to start off with.  We'll just see how it goes.  I'll also try the ~45 in a #6 or 7.  It should be fun and in the long run productive.  I do appreciate your post!

   -Jerry

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   philip | Aug 19, 2009 08:03am | #13

   Jerry,
   If you're thinking scraper inserts Google "Hamler scraper inserts". That looks like a vast improvement.Philip Marcou

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   boilerbay | Aug 19, 2009 04:27pm | #14

   Philip,That is really interesting. It would be nice to have a long (like a jack) bed for a scraper. I suppose the usual caveats about edges and tracking and......
   cambercome into play?
   It this relatively new or a upgrade from old tech?BB

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   derekcohen | Aug 19, 2009 05:10pm | #15

   Hi BB

   Paul Hamler, to whom Philip makes reference, is not only the designer of a high quality scraper insert for a Stanley bench and/or bedrock plane .... link here ... but he is also the inventor of the (lowish quality) LV scaper insert (that started this thread).

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                                                  LV insert

    

    

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   Paul Hamler insert

   As far as I am aware, Paul does have a few of his better inserts for sale. However the cost of these is in the ball park of a complete Veritas Scraper Plane!

   Regards from Perth

   Derek

    

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   boilerbay | Aug 20, 2009 05:27pm | #16

   Derek,I think it was Spears that said "the worth of a virtuous scraper is far above rubies" :)As I said previously I have other handle units but adding the Hamler to a 5, 6 or 7 sounds intriguing. If it's too spendy... well then it is a "just would be nice" but otherwise I'd go for it. The LV versions just seems a little futzy. The Hamler is straight forward -- two bolts and done.And what's another 2-4 long planes to go with the rest.
   Who needs short planes -- we don't do no stinkin short planes!Maybe the Hamler unit could be adapted to a long Krenov type woody. Say 19-25 inches. Length minus the great weight of an iron 7 or 8. I think perhaps for me, it would put the final work on long wide table tops into a whole new perspective. Could bolt into recessed nuts on bottom of plane - No?Blade would probably get real hot, real fast though...LaterBB

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   philip | Aug 18, 2009 11:32pm | #5

   Jerry,
   See message 37331.28 and others there.....

   Philip Marcou
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   nazard | Aug 19, 2009 12:41am | #7

   Thank you, Phillip! 

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   WillGeorge | Aug 22, 2009 08:54am | #17

   I will not get one. However, I think it has some merit. I have a LV scraper plane I got last year or maybe early this year.. I loose track of time...

   I like it, 'sort' of. Not heavy enough! Not heavy enough!...

   Then again, I may think on it for use in my trusty old Stanely/Bailey #4.

   I for one see no issue with the blade width and the price is more than reasonable.

   Anyway, I usually skew my hand held scrapers if my wood allows.

   
   

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   Edited 8/22/2009 1:57 am by WillGeorge

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   philip | Aug 22, 2009 09:35am | #18

   Well I got one some time back out of curiosity. I still think a hand held scraper is more useful and versatile, but if one has a spare #4 it is still a nice tool to work with just for novelty. Possibly if there is a need to scrape rails , muntins etc and there is a risk of damage through clumsy use of a card scraper it may come in useful.
   But Hamlers heavy duty one fitted to a #6 or #4.1/2 combined with a durable blade would be a less painful way of scraping large areas, I think.Philip Marcou

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   WillGeorge | Aug 22, 2009 10:00am | #19

   a less painful way of scraping large areas, I think.

   I agree but I have old, very tired, hands!

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   Handrubbed | Oct 22, 2009 12:29am | #20

   I bought one years ago and didn't buy anything else from its maker for a long time because of it.  Fortunately, my memory has gotten worse over the years.  I would pass and save up for a proper scraper plane if I was you.