Hi guys…
I am in need of a new ROS and have a large project coming up in which I will be using it.
I will be sanding and refinishing a large amount of urethaned ledges and the sort in a restaurant (while they are closed).
I obviously want all of the things that make a ROS great but most important is dust collection.
Which ROS is the best for collectiing dust, even without a vacuum attached?
What is the best overall choice and why?
Thank you all for the help!
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I know this is a side step to your question, but .......
IMO, no ROS does a great job of capturing dust on its own. OTOH, I've never found one that attaches to a collector that isn't a royal PITA to use: clumsy, awkward, hose drags on edges of project, etc.
My best solution is to use a ROS with its token attached catcher, then set a portable air filter/collector or portable dust collector nearby.
on this particular project, I would spend an amazing amount of time trying to drag around the dust collection system (shop vac). It is in a restaurant filled with booths and tables and stuff. I am just finishing the ledges on divider walls and window sills etc... and the bar.
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Basically there is only one solution to no dust sanding, and that's Festool. With one of their orbitals and vacs you will have virtually NO dust. Portability is no problem with their vac and the small hose is very flexible.
Just checked out your member profile, NEO. Come out to Eagle America (Woodworkers Outlet) in Chardon on SR44 between the Ford Dealer and the Highway Patrol and I'll give you a demo of the Festool.
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
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The Metabo 450 Duo and a Fein vac will do just as well for a lot less money.------------------------------------
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I have a Fein ROS and Fein vac. IMO they have a really lousy connection between hose and implement, basically a rubber sleeve that fits neither unit quite right. And the hose is heavy. So it falls off in use. I find I don't use it much because of this.
The Fein hose is a perfect fit in the Metabo ros dust port, the rubber adapter is not needed.------------------------------------
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I'll second you on Fein vacuum. I have a Makita ros with a Makita hose that I fitted to the Fein vac and I get virtually no dust. My wife will agree as she would bunch me in the face if I spewed dust all over the basement seeping its way upstairs.
Thanks for the offer... If I have the time soon, I will take you up on it.
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I'll second the Festool. I picked one of the 3x150mm ROS up this summer, and I will never use another brand in the shop again! Dustless with the vacuum attached to it. Expensive? Yes, but you get what you pay for, and on a comercial job, the convienence is justified. IMHO
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Hey Pete,Check this out http://www.josephfusco.org/Reviews/Ridgid%20R2600%20Review.htmlNow I also have the Festool 150/3 but if you what a very good sander at a great price the Ridgid 2600 is hard to beat. The only thing I would add if the one I have is made bu Metabo and most likely the newer ones are out of China. . . . .http://www.josephfusco.org
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Pete, Joe has it right, the chinese one's model #**11 ends in 11 and the Metabo model # **10 ends in 10 and there are many in stock but ya have to hunt them down. There is a big difference in the two . I would not buy the chinese unit.
I have noticed several "new " models or changes in the rigid stuff of late like the very, very light weight ,white metal bracket for the bolt on TS splitter that replaced the sheet steel original. I noticed that as the display model was snapped off just sitting in the store. Nothing new here as when you get a decent review on an item and it sells well you then let the bookeepers redesign for more profit. Paddy
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Pete,
I want to chime in even though others beat me to it. I purchased the Festool 150/3 ROS this last fall and have used it on several and varied projects. I also purchased the "dust extractor" C22 with it. This system has worked very well so far. The tools are engineered as a system, and therefore work well together. There is virtually no dust in the air and the noise level is much reduced. (I was using a shop vac connected to my old ROS) It also does a good job sanding. My first project was a set of seven cabinets with custom veneered doors. The show veneer was wenge. (don't get me started ) I sanded all show surfaces to 400g and finished them with an oil/varnish blend penetrating finish. The result was exceptional.
I chose the 3 mm stroke version over the 5 mm, because I wanted a less aggressive sander for veneer work. I can always use coarser grits if needed. I also rejected the Festool Rotex product because I didn't want the extra aggressive sanding modes. That is a choice you must make. If you want the ability to switch modes and sand aggressively, the Rotex might be the best choice. (also more expensive)
You should go see that demonstration and make up your own mind.
Good luck, Tom.
I have the Rotex and with the 50 grit paper it has replaced my belt sander. You can use the high $$$ Festool vac/hose or a $15.00 flexible Rigid hose to any shop vac. I recommend the big Fein, myself.
I've tried them all. The Festool dust pickup, not just the vac, but the sander with 9 holes is unparalleled. And if you have a lot of sanding to do, then you want it for the lower vibration. The Fein vac and the Festool vacs are both very quiet, it's just easier to lug all the Festool stuff around on the job with their interlocking (and very expensive of course!!!) Systainer System.
9-hole sandpaper? Where do you buy that? Around here, 5-hole and 8-hole is standard.Chris @ flairwoodworks
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Festool uses a 9 hole system. Works great, especially for them, since you have to buy their paper. Everyone else uses a 5 or 8 hole pattern. However, their sandpaper discs are very high quality (FWIW, even if you don't use their jigsaw--and it's OK, not worth the extra money frankly--their jigsaw blades are worth it).
I use Bosch's Progressor jigsaw blades. They have very few TPI and cut very fast but cut unbelievably clean, both top and bottom, even on plywood. I swear by them. They are the only good blades that I know of which are available in standard (non-T) shanks for my good ole B&D.Chris @ flairwoodworks
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
The Festool jigsaw blades are made by Bosch, No kidding.Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Are you serious? I had no idea that Festool had any items made and branded for them.Chris @ flairwoodworks
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
It's true, Bosch for the jigsaw blades and Bessy makes some of their clamps. But still undeniably all very good products. 99% of Mfg's sub out some parts, look at the auto industry.
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
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Interesting. It's surely more cost efficient to buy nuts and bolts, as an example than make them in house. I didn't know that Festool has clamps either!Chris @ flairwoodworks
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Not entirely accurate. The patent for the T shank is held by another, I want to say Simonds, but I'm not 100% on that. The blades themselves are made by them for pretty much everyone that uses a T shank. The differences you will see are in the saws themselves, where each manufacturer uses a slightly different method of securing the shank.
Bosch has a ton of blades spec'd for them. So does Festool. But you won't find identical blades with different paint. Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
The Festool orbital sander paper design is unique to itself. There are 8 holes within 1/2" of the perimeter and one in the dead center. The internal fan of the sander forces air down through the center hole and pushes the dust to the outer holes for evacuation. This makes for a superior dust collection system. Also their paper grade and selections are second to none.Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Bruce,
If one so desired, could they take a standard 8-hole disk and punch a hole in the center?Chris @ flairwoodworks
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Simply put, No. The circle diameter of the holes is much larger than standard. Thats to keep the vacuuming as close to the edge of the discs as possible.Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Basically there is only one solution to no dust sanding, and that's Festool.
I fully agree!!!
If Festool is too pricey for you, I've found that the Rigid 5" ROS hooks up nicely to a shop vac, and yields vitually dust-free dusting. It's more clunky than the Festool route, but far cheaper.
Festool. Why trouble yourself with anything else.
Here's another vote for the RIDGID 5" ROS. Bought mine a few weeks ago and couldn't be happier. Did some heavy sanding with 80 grit paper with the sander hooked up to my Shop Vac (with 2 1/2" hose, perfect fit BTW) and there was little to no dust escaping. Is the Festool a better sander? Almost certainly, but for less than half the price of the Festool you could buy the RIDGID with a vac.
-pjw
...but for less than half the price of the Festool you could buy the RIDGID with a vac......and buy sandpaper for it anywhere!!!Jeff
While you're demo-ing the festool, look at both the ETS and the Rotex. You'll use it again. Might as well get the one that fits what you want to do the best. And if you're worried about vac weight, have him show you the CT Midi. Trying not to be an uber brand loyalist here, but I think based on your descrip you nailed what Festool is trying to accomplish.
Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
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