Is it just me? or are the current wave of changes to the web site really annoying?
perhaps I’ve just gotten used to the old way of doing things, but I’m finding these changes hard to handle.
Chaim
Make your own mistakes not someone elses, this is a good way to be original !
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I don't notice any changes to Knots, what are you seeing?
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
What I mean is the home page and the way you log in to knots.
It used to be straight forward, you would call up fine woodworking from your'e favorites look around or go to knots all from the home page. now you go to play "click here" 20 times to get to the discussions.
Once again it could just be me (wouldn't be the first time) I'm not the most computer literate although I make due pretty well.
ChaimMake your own mistakes not someone elses, this is a good way to be original !
If it's the steps that you need to take to get into Knots that bother you try doing this instead. Log onto the forum Home page through the Taunton Home or Main page, whatever they call it, and then save Knots to your Favourites folder with the name Knots. Then whenever you want to come here just click on the Knots icon in Favourites.
That's how I do it. I haven't accessed Knots through the Taunton Home page for years. To be honest I can't recall when I last saw the Taunton home page, but when I do want to go to other parts of the Taunton website I get there via this forum. Slainte.
Richard Jones Furniture
Edited 5/15/2008 3:14 am by SgianDubh
Richard,
I think what some folks are seeing might be crumbled cookies and the redesign causing strange thangs to happen. Just guessing.
It's a very easy one click to get to Knots from the FWW home page, after you've logged in. I think this is part of the issue and that's where the confusion comes in.
I have the FWW login page saved in My Favorites in my browser, not the Favorites in FWW. After logging in (Note the checkbox that says to automatically log in) I come to the Home Page in FWW, then it's a simple click on Knots in the Connect Frame and I'm here. What could be simpler?
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I see, Chaim. You come in the front door while I use the delivery entrance. I just click on the address from an E-mail and don't have to log in. Once here, it looks the same as it has been.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Sounds like your cookies aren't crumbled but rather whole and with nuts/Knots in them too.
:-)
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Yes, that is the way I do it too. I can't remember the way I use to do it. It didn't work anymore so I resorted to the click on address mode. The problem I have is that it sometimes don't work and I have to start over again with a new name - hence "Tinkerer3"
What I do is add the FWW login page to my favorites in my browser (Internet Explorer), not the Favorites in FWW, then launch that favorite. I then login and once I am at the FWW Home page, I click on Knots Discussions in the Connect frame and I'm here.
Simple.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Thanks everyone I guess its just an aversion to change.
Perhaps I will log on to knots directly but then I miss (mostly because of laziness) what's going on on the rest of the site.
ChaimMake your own mistakes not someone elses, this is a good way to be original !
The world of fine woodworking is a fast paced dog eat dog place.
You need to be ready to adapt on a moments notice and roll with the punches. There's no room for those stuck in "Traditional ways"
Oh, you are so far above me. I don't even know what browser is. I hear of it all the time but I don't know what it is.
Tink,
A browser is a program that runs on your computer that provides you the ability to see WEB pages on your screen. A good analogy for WEB pages might be: a document is to Word (wordprocessor) as a WEB page is to Internet Explorer (browser).
WEB pages are constructed with something called HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language) which your browser reads into your computer and displays it on your screen. If you were to display this stuff (highly technical term, :-) ) you will see all manner of goobaly geek (another one) that your browser interprets. Bold, Italic, Underlined text, pictures, links to other pages, etc.
Please, I'm NOT above you. It's just that with nearly 40 years messin around with these dang puters I just have more experience. I always had disdain for all those Idiot books 'bout puters. Folks who haven't experience can't be considered idoits or illaterat (another disdain); challenged - OK I'll buy that.
Does ya havta be a geek? Nah, you'd be surprised, when armed with a bit of knowledge about the details, how much it's really a lot of common sense.
It's a fascinating thang (Lataxese),
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 5/19/2008 8:20 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Edited 5/19/2008 8:23 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Hey, thanks: That is one more little wrinkle in this lil brain cell. Some how, I think it will take a few more wrinkles to make me a feel like a computer geek.
Ya know, when ya think about it it's no wonder that computers are challenging to everyone. With the rate of technological advancement one would have to keep track of it on a daily basis just to try to keep up.
Back in the eraly 70's there used to be a poster floating about geekdom that said:
Eschew Obfiscation: If the automotive industry advanced at the same rate as the computer industry we'd all be driving around in Rolls Royces that cost $2.75 each!
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 5/20/2008 8:41 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Simple, but involves extra steps. But perhaps you're interested in seeing what's on the home page each day? Lots of ways to set it up, I like coming directly to Knots. Probably left over from the old days when none of that other stuff even existed!
You could certainly skip the log-in step, whatever "first page" you want to see, but I understand some consider that a security risk ("Remember Me" option).
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 5/17/2008 11:29 pm by forestgirl
forestgirl,
Simple, but involves extra steps. Don't mean to be a pain but I'm not sure what extra steps you're referring to? I login (Don't use Remember Me for security reasons - others use my PC) which takes me to the FWW Home Page, click on KNOTS DISCUSSIONS and I'm here.
Is there possibly something else going on in others browsers that require additional steps? I like to start from the FWW Home Page so I can see what's new and exciting as there usually is something, another plus for FWW. Even then, Knots is just a click away so no big thang to me.
Lots of ways to set it up, I like coming directly to Knots. This business of coming directly to Knots has me a bit puzzled. If you're coming into Knots directly from a favorite in your browser then you're bypassing the login screen right?
If I go to the FWW Home Page and then into Knots (w/o logging in) then when I try to go somewhere that requires me to login I get redirected to the login screen anyway. If you can roam around on FWW willy-nilly without logging in then that makes me a bit leary as to what is on my puter.
Am I missing something?
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Yes, I go directly to Knots -- it's one of my home pages in the newish tabbed version of Internet Explorer. I get logged in automatically via stored password (however that works), and I don't go through any Taunton page, just directly to Knots messages.
I'm not saying this is better than your way, it's just the way I like to do it. I understand that some people considered these stored passwords to be an unacceptable security risk.
Sorry, rushed, gotta go.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I noticed the changes and I cut the cheese.
We had a new principal that came to our school, wanted all of the department heads to read that book. I refused to read it...he wound up being a total tool. Ran the school into the ground, cheated on standardized tests, basically run out of town, forced to resign...got another job in another town, same thing, after a year he resigned, with the villagers chasing him with pitchforks. Last I heard he moved on to a school north of here...waiting for the next bit of "movement".
Change is good...if it is for good reason, not just to change. I don't mind the changes to the site, more visual...getting used to it.
Donkey
Hey I'm all for change...but...
sometimes as we get older we slow down some and find ourselves stuck in time.
Our time, happens to be when ever your time is that you learned most of your tricks.
Now I'm not 80, or 70,or 60 or even 50 yet but I just find it hard to relate to some of the newer things out there like music or a certain way of speaking or clothing fashion.
Although the retro 70's and 80;s seems ok to me. How about sneakers! you just can't get a normal pair of sneakers these days without looking like Neil Armstrong (think moon walk)
Hey but things are looking up, retro is in again!!!
ChaimMake your own mistakes not someone elses, this is a good way to be original !
I think this is the easiest way:
Log on and open knots any way you can.
Then click Tools on your browser, then options, then, in the Main Tab click use current pages, and then OK.
Now every time you open your browser there will be a Knots tab open. Just click it and instantly (No loading time) Knots will be open and logged in.
Stef
Thanks for the feedback Chaim, it’s useful for future upgrade considerations. Sorry that the recent changes are more inconvenient for you.
As others have mentioned, you can bookmark this page
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages
Or, if you scroll down a bit on the homepage, there is a list of Knots discussions. Click on any one to enter the forum. Here’s what that list looks like today:
Knots Discussions
A base for a lathe What's best? A mobile base for a lathe, or something fixed and stable? Join the discussion.
Handcut dovetail technique Someone's trying handcut dovetails and needs advice on chiseling out waste. Offer your advice.
Best jointer knives? What works best in a jointer? Spiral cutters or conventional knives? Add your thoughts.
Cutting raised panels on a tablesaw Share your panel-making techniques with another woodworker. Join the discussion.
Taming tearout Help a woodworker figure out how to get rid of tearout in a curly-maple tabletop.
All Discussions
Good luck and thanks!
Gina Eide
FineWoodworking.com
Thank you Gina for your advise.
I didn't mean to admonish fine woodworking for changing the web site,just that I have an adversity to change.
Like Iv'e already stated progress is good,Its just that the slow sometimes get left behind!
ChaimMake your own mistakes not someone elses, this is a good way to be original !
<I hate change, unless it’s for the best.>
Wine,
Here's the thing I love about change; it always stays the same. You hear every day in the news "The dollar's up!" "The dollar's down against the Euro and Yen."
But change always stays the same. The 25 cent piece in my pocket is always worth 25 cents. That's what I love best about change. It never changes..
Zolton
If you see a possum running around in here, kill it. It's not a pet. - Jackie Moon
That was a good one!Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Wineman,
Please don't take this the wrong way but it seems to like you are jumping out of the frying pan and into the ..... :-)
What I mean is that with computers, strange as it might seem, they are really dumb! They only understand 2 thangs, 1's & 0's! Pretty stable in that regard.
I think the instability with regards to computers might have a lot to do with the ever changing mediums that are employed betwixt them, i.e. Ethernet, broadband, satellite, etc. I've worked with computer networks for over 20 years and these telecommunication vehicles have changed/advanced even faster that have computers on the syrface. If you take a look under the hood of Ethernet, it's not all that big a deal.
I would further assert that in order to make some sense out of all this, a firm grasp of the basics makes it a whole lot easier to understand and expand upon with all the new technologies coming down the pike (pun intended).
Now you're suggesting that woodworking, the process of making something out of perhaps the most unstable materials known to man, will provide some sense of stability.
I'm just pokin a bit of fun at ya as I'm kinda with you. I'm on the verge of retiring from a long history of computers/networking and looking forward to woodworking. Now ain't that a trip!
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
There's an old saying that goes something like, you can dazzle 'em with brilliance of baffle 'em with BS. Unfortunately in many cases management can't tell the difference. Wonder which school they went to, most likely not the one of hard knocks or real world OJT.
Best of luck with your Cisco certification,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
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