I’m like many hobbyist woodworkers-kind of a tool junkie. Sometimes I see something picked up years ago and wonder what I was thinking. Remember reading a thread on another forum several years ago about what people considered to be their most useless/worthless tool acquisition. Mine? A craftsman tablesaw mitre guage/bos joint jig. What ever was I thinking?
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my brain. at least that's how it feels right now.
I'm not what I'd call a tool junkie. I can easily ignore that "everything you call put in this 5-gallon bucket 25% off!" ad. I do have several tools, though.
The power tool I've used the least, although I'm sure I must have bought it because "I needed it" at the time, is the scroll saw. Yet I've got a neighbor down the street that makes a living with his.
The hand tool I use the least is arip saw. In fact I'm not sure I've ever used it. It was one of those things in my Dad's "tool box" that I inherited. I'll bet he must have used it to prune trees with.
My Leigh dovetail jig. I bought it never having hand cut a dovetail joint. Now it sits in a cabinet, dusty, a victim of a liberating hand cutting experience.
Funny you should mention that. I went for a long time without using it and now have gone back..lots of fun again.Least used tool? Cheap (read:useless) angle measuring tool.
Porter Cable* Profile Sander. What was I thinking?
*Porter Cable makes many good tools but the profile sander and their first biscuit joiner -- what were THEY thinking?
drill press mortice attachment - its not even heavy enough to use as an anchor
Dave
Ok the sander I have trouble arguing with, but I have used it a couple times for some specific things. As for the Biscuit jointer what is wrong with that?
-Doug M
<<as for the Biscuit jointer what is wrong with that?>>I'm not referring to the current model, 557 (which I have and like, in lieu of a Lamello), but their first one. I think it was model 555 (see attached JPEG). It was a strange design that PC wisely replaced not too many years after its introduction. In fairness to Porter Cable, there were several strange designs around in the early days of the biscuit joiner -- I also have an Elu which is well made, but awkward to use.The profile sander is a disappointment, though if I'd thought the concept through to begin with, why would I need such a tool? How lazy am I? Mine is is the case, buried somewhere in my shop never to be used again.
Yeah ok now I understand. I had that one also (at the time it was brand new, it was not bad compared to everyone elses) it had a nice handle and that was about all you could say for it. The fence was really bad and the replacement one (adjustable sort of) was not much better. Still it was about the most comfortable design I have seen for a biscuit jointer. To bad it did not work well. The current one while not as simple to hold works much better.
Of course this whole list looks like a lot of things that was in the old shop. Including the funny wabble dado blade. Once nice thing about having you shop burn down, it eliminates all those old "why did i buy this???" tools.
-Doug M
I have a 555 and used it many years successfully. I bought it early on and it was involved in a "soft recall" (i.e., they'd fix it if you knew about it) where they redid something. The fence is a little hard to set level unless you know to set it on a piece of wood the appropriate thickness. More often than not, I used the base as the guide and did not use the adjustable fence. The only reason I upgraded to a 557 was to get the FF blade and dust collection. Got more than one face full of chips when I forgot to pay attention on the 555.But the detail sander -- easily the worst PC tool I've ever had.
Edited 3/29/2007 9:20 pm ET by byhammerandhand
what about those p.c. bammer nailers? now THAT was a stupid idea.
Most stoooopid tool idea, in my book:
http://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-WCSET3CM-WoodChuck-Chisel-2-Inch/dp/B000FTDE0Y/ref=sr_1_3/002-5015561-8254414?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1175173859&sr=8-3I had the sense to laugh and not buy.
You are right. That isn't only the most useless tool, it's the most ridiculous tool! I want to see someone trim dovetails with one of those. And while you're rasping you have that sharp chisel blade flying around! Yikes!
My most useless tool is the adjustable dado blade for my table saw. It's probably a Craftsman. Not the stacking type, but the one with the dial on the side that you set for the dado width and the blade wobbles side to side. The dial isn't even close to the indicated settings so the only way to set it is by trial & error. Try to get it close, tighten arbor nut, make test cut, measure dado. Loosen arbor nut, reset dial, tighten arbor nut, make test cut, measure dado. Repeat several more times then remove blade from saw and throw it in the bottom of the cabinet to collect dust for the next 25 years!
By the way, I love my LV magnetic dovetail saw guide.
-Chuck
Maybe the tool was worthless but the case could be used as a personal flotation device.A carpenter on a site I was working on bought one when they first came out. I just couldn't believe the size of the case. In fact, you could probably rig it up with a small sail and still have room for two.Utterly worthless tool. Shameful.J.P.
don't get me wrong; i think p.c. makes [mostly] great stuff. it's just that when they screw up, they do so in a major way. and really, you have to give them credit for trying new things.
Apparently it's me. Because I have so many tools there is no longer any room in the shop for me.
Just kidding!
In reality, I feel it's my hammer. I can't remember the last time I used it.
ChuckN and I have nothing of value to add to this discussion.
Hi All,
Ditto on the Porter Cable profile sander. It turns on, that's about it. Second most worthless tool is a pencil made of plastic and not wood.
Paul
<<what about those p.c. bammer nailers? now THAT was a stupid idea.>>I'm not sure I know which nailer you're referring to. I like PC tools for the most part, but I guess every manufacturer has a lemon or two.
When I first started hand cutting dovetails I had real trouble (I could throw a cat through some of the joints!) so I fell for the Lee Valley setup: a special saw holds fast to a magnetic jig, to guide the cut. No way!
My dovetails are still not as pretty as I would like but 'practice, not purchase', makes the difference.
Frosty
This is not meant to be a condemnation of LV - they make really good things, but they can make mistakes too.
Frosty,
I have the same guide. I actually really respect this guide, it helped me along when my sawing skills were not so good. Anyway I had used it for a few month when they released a right angle sawing guide... That's my most useless tool... I've never used it. In fact I wonder what I was thinking when I put it on the wish list.
Buster
I would say my Kreg 2000 pocket hole kit. Way too much stuff for what I need. A typical 'ooh, ahhh' purchase that was not thought through at all. Good product, I just don't need the whole kit. Tom"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
Don't own one but tried and returned a battery powered c - clamp. made by Black and Decker. It's like watching grass grow while it is moving ever so slowly..Even with the built in fast adj. Balanced poorly also IMHO. C an just see this clamp eating up AA battueries . The gift that keeps on giving , They must have a connection with a Battery manufacture .
Second tool i seen today by Black and Decker is a battery powered crescent wrench .
Both of these tools make me wonder , What Were They Thinking?????
Chris
I may get flamed for this:
Stanley #80 scraper
I have never gotten the thingto work. I am sure it is my fault and not the tool's.
Ink Man,
I don't understand the concept of a useless tool.
Tools make us feel good.
They brighten our souls.
They enliven our spirits.
When we die, the person with the most tools wins.
Some tools deserve to exist because they are an art form.
Old tools need to exist to connect us with the past.
Remember: "There is no tool like an old tool."
New tools exist to give us excitement and hope for future acquisitions,
and a reason to drive to Woodcraft and Rockler.
Without new tools, we wouldn't have woodworking shows.
Other people's tools are a reason to visit and be sociable.
The value of a tool is inextricably intertwined with the tool itself. Being useful is a sufficient reason for buying a tool, but it is not a necessary condition. (You gotta study the zen of tools, man.)
I am a member of the Church of the Holy Toolchest.
I hope you will join with me and enjoy the spirit of brotherhood with others who focus on the important and spiritual aspects of life.
Stay sharp, brother!
May the spirit of the shoulder plane be with you.
Mel
PS - So tell me again. What is a useless tool?
You are a heathen. You are a blasphemer!
You must be cleansed. To be cleansed, you must buy more tools.
Thank God for EBay. Now you can shop for tools when you wake up in the middle of the night.
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Now that was funny! LOL.Brightened up my day!Hastings
Hastings,
It's good to find someone else with a sense of humor.
I wrote that so as to be obviously tongue in cheek, but I believe that some folks may have taken me seriously. But many of us woodworkers really do suffer from tool envy. I am one of them. I try never to buy on impulse. I try to only buy what I need for the current project, if I cant find another way to to the task. I really do try to make my own jigs. If I were trying to make a living at woodworking, I would have to work differently. For me, efficiency is not a criteria. I am filling time, rather than using time to bring in money. But even hard analysis of whether I really need another took is difficult, but you don't find out what it is good and poor at until you get it and have a chance to play with it. And also, each tool has a learning curve. So I do have a few tools that I have bought but don't use much any more.There is a place to learn about how woodworkers relate to tools, and that is Knots. A couple of people have started threads on whether tools or skills are more important. What is interesting about these threads is how sensitive many people get about them. VERY SENSITIVE. This is where I am out of step. I fall on the skills side, but I believe that most fall on the tools side. Obviously, this is a matter of degree since you cant really separate tools and skills completely. Want another hint at woodworkers' relationship to their tools? I find the following to be very interesting. I expected the Knots Gallery to be the most visited folder on Knots. Yet, it is among the least visited. More woodworkers would rather talk about tools in threads like this which are rather philosophical, than look at REAL FURNITURE in the Knots Gallery. Last week, I put up a photo in the Knots Gallery (Mel's Minature Mansion) of a dollhouse that I built. I am right proud of that thing. I got about five responses. Yet threads about unused tools gets many dozens of posts. GO FIGURE!??!??!!But, all in all, this place called Knots, sure is fun. It lets woodworkers talk about their innermost thoughts. It lets all of us see ourselves more clearly. I learn more here than anywhere else.Have fun, and Thanks for the nice words.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,
Missed you at the last tool collectors' meeting. Several good "whatzits" there.
Most useless tool: solar powered flashlight.
Also, saw a picture once of a wood stove, made of wood. The seller claimed that it would burn all night.
Ray
Ray,
speaking of useless tools. In April, I am going to make a "shoulder knife" which was used back in the 1600s or so, to make thick marquetry. Not much call for that any more. The tool almost went out of use with the invention of the fret saw. But I find that it can be good for BIG chip carving, such as on the facades of buildings, which is something that I feel the need to do just about every day. Sometimes twice a day. A friend of mine has one. Another has offered to have me come to his shop and make two. He has experience in knife making. Can't wait to see what comes of all of this. What better place than a thread like this to talk about the overwhelming desire to make a copy of a tool that hasn't been used for four centuries. To misquote a General Patton: "Woodworking is hell. God how I love it."MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,
I've followed your various posts about translating the text, and finding the tools for "big" chip carving for some time. I think it's a good thing, that skills such as these not be lost to the dim mists of time, or confined to the pages of some forgotten book.
I recently got a book at auction, called The Wheelwright's Shop, by Geo. Sturt, an Englishman who witnessed the end of the wheelwright / wagonmaking trade, and his family business (he was the 3d generation owner) , with the mechanization of agriculture in the early years of the last century. It is a fascinating account of a craft and indeed a way of life that is now gone. Not that I'm about to take up making wheels any time soon, but your grosseschnitte is in the same category, I reckon.
I'm looking forward to seeing that big knife one day.
Ray
Ray,
My father - before he joined the army and became an officer, originally trained as a fitter at a school called Caufield Tech. Years later it has been absorbed by a very left leaning university and houses their left leaning school of economics (Monash for any Australian reading).
I was delighted to attend a conference there a few years ago to find that they had incorporated the original tyre-fitting site into the courtyard architecture (15' concrete area with a marked fall into a sump in the middle and a fire pit at one side - you heat the tyre in the fire, lay the wooden rim on the concrete, drop a hot tyre on and shrink it into place with lots of water.) I didnt find anyone who knew the 'working class' origen of this location.
Patto,
You'd probably enjoy Sturt's book. I recommend it.
Ray
Mel-I hear what you're layin' down, and couldn't agree with you more. That being said, what is your most useless tool?
Ink man,
My most useless tools:
- a keyhole saw that I inherited from my father in law.
- a dull rusting Sears Craftsman handsaw inherited from the same.
- my Stanley single-dowel doweling jig.
- a large raised panel jig that I used once which fits over my Biesmeier fence, and could reach from the US to Europe.Can't make up my mind. I need to throw the first two out. I'll keep the doweling jig as a memento of my brother teaching me how to make panel doors with it. I could use the raised panel jig for firewood, or as steps to a cathedral. Come to think of it, it has to be the keyhole saw. After 30 years, I haven't found a reason to use it.Hope that helps,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
I've got 3 keyhole saws. One I bought, one I found, one I inherited. Three that have never been used. The problem I have with useless tools is that I am able to look into the future and envision a specific time and situation when I will need not one, but all three of these saws. Truly, it's a curse I am destined to bear.
Thank you Mel.
Most useless and biggest waste of money - Oak-Park Mitre Gauge System. I saw it at a woodworkers show and thought what a great thing to have it is worse than the Leigh Dovetail jig for setup. Never by anything you only see a demo of one corner of a square box. I bought the Leigh also and not overly impressed total about $600 wasted collecting dust. I can't even give the mitre gauge away. http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.html?list=RTS-MGS-Charlie
Mel,
ceiling cutouts in plaster for bathrom fans. I had to buy one.
Dave
My all time #1 choice for my most useless tool is the DeWalt Jig saw. This piece of junk could not and will not track an accurate strait cut not matter what you do. It simply sucks! As a matter of fact mine now lies in a heap were I threw it . Good ridance !!!!!!!!!!
My #2 choice all time useless tool is the Leigh D-4 dovetail jig. It's way to finicky to set up. (However if you need 20 drawers all the same demension, it's worth the time)
Edited 3/29/2007 9:20 am ET by groucho
What model number is your DeWalt? I have the same problem with mine. the blade always drifts and wanders no matter how slow I go and how new and sharp the blade is. I can't get a 90 degree cut. Tom"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
Mine is a Skil "Dial Saw" which is one of those funky adjustable hole saws. I haven't used it in years. Neat concept, somewhat less than practical in the real world. Fortunately it didn't cost me a lot.
PC biscuit jointer. Have never used it in three years.
Have to agree that the PC biscuit joiner is useless . Bought mine when they first came out . I think they have changed design. Had a ton of slop in the guides . Epoxied some shim stock in guide ways , helped some , Doing anything more is perfume on a hog. Chris
Chris,
I hope that our experience with biscuit jointers hasn't tainted our judgement about the new Festool Domino. I'll wait a while until my tool collecting buddy gets one and see if they are worth the $1,000 for the whole setup. You have to do a lot of mortising for a $1,000.
Terry
#1 PC Detail Sander
#2 Ryobi Laser Level
#3 6x48 belt sander
Most useful and most dreadful tool - drywall texture hopper gunJohn O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking
The more things change ...
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
Petronious Arbiter, 210 BC
Wow! I just came across this forum tonight and it was very reassuring to learn that I have plenty of company when it comes to making poor tool buying decisions. For example, that damned PC detail sander that I thought would make the refinishing of the teak on our boat into a piece of cake; I should have thrown it over board rather than bring it back to the shop to collect dust! It sounds like if all the un-happy owners could line them up end to end, they would stretch all the way back to the factory that made them.
Interestingly, although I hadn't thought of it as a useless tool, I do have an unused Leigh DT jig that hasn't been used since I bought it. It wasn't long after I laid out the big bucks that I saw a demo on hand cut dove tails by Rob Cosman, using the Lie Nielsen dovetail saw. That's the tool I use now for my best dovetails, and for the ones I do for regular cabinet work, I use the new PC DT jig. It doesn't require all the set up that the Leigh does.
I'm sure that I could add to the list, but it's good to get that PC detail sander off my chest.
No It has not tainted my judgement, I'am just careful buying power tools. Got burned a few times besides that biscuit joiner.I forgot to mention the DeWalt 12" chop saw . On the early ones there was no adj to sq,the arm as iti s rotated down.They also had bearing problems .The thing that bothers me is that they will not do any thing till you complain .They replaced the bearings right away.But the arm thats dirfferent . The Black and Decker dealer to me to call some supervisor in LA, .. He asked a lot of questions about how i was trying to square it. He finally said ok and sent me a new arm I'll bet there are a lot of people pulling their hair out trying to sq one of these. Chris
Leigh dovetail jig. Brought it Tried it. Never actually used it for a project.
Well written manual and the jig works fine i just have no use for it.
I'm kind of split between you and Mel. I love buying new tools, and for a while I was a part-time handyman so I needed even MORE tools. Nirvana! But I found that a lot of them weren't getting used, and then I stopped doing the side work, and suddenly I had a LOT of useless tools. Large right-angle drill, metal bandsaw, portable tablesaw, etc. etc. As much as it pained me-and pains me still-I culled all the unused tools and sold them on craigslist.
Ad of course with the money earned from those sales I bought more tools.
Maybe someday I'll know a little something.
ELU biscuit jointer. After everything is cut and biscuits installed the edges don't line up. It is real good at collecting dust!!!!
Well a couple weeks ago I would have said my Dewalt random orbital sander, but I threw it across the shop into the garbage can after the dust attachment fell off one too many times, unloading sawdust all over the place.
Now that I think of it, I've 'retired' every Dewalt power handtool I've ever owned - I I don't think I'll buy another, though I like the 12" slider.
One day I'll use my Leigh - it too beautiful to pitch.
Good thread. Let's see......Oh yeah!
Pretty sure there are a few more, but I'll not bore you anymore.
Jeff
Crapsman Belt Sander, about 25 years old. Haven't used it in over 15 years. It is impossible to adjust the belt so it stays on the machine. And it vibrates so much it makes your hand go numb. And LOUD! I don't know why I still have it, but there it is on an upper shelf in my garage. When I built a separate shop a couple of years ago, it didn't get to make the move out of the garage.
<<<Crapsman Belt Sander,....25 years old....impossible to adjust the belt so it stays on the machine....vibrates....makes your hand go numb. And LOUD!>>>I think I had it's cousin and it hurts to know I wasn't alone in my disgust! Mine was a 4x24 chunk of junk (you left out that it weighed a ton). Soured me from buying any power tool from Sears, and all brands of portable belt sanders ever since. Good news was that a pilot that I used to know wanted it and he traded me a piece of Bokote(sp?)from Mexico. I got the better end of that deal!
<<I think I had it's cousin and it hurts to know I wasn't alone in my disgust!>>I'm going to jump in and defend Sears a little bit. I've had a Craftsman 3" belt sander for about 28 years. I can't completely disagree with all of Dan1120's complaints (you CAN get it to track fairly well with a little tweaking, but he's right about LOUD) -- it's not a precision tool, but neither is a Sawsall, and I couldn't live without it either. I can't tell you how many times the belt sander saved the day for me on various remodeling projects. I've been looking for an excuse to trade up for years, but could never quite make the move -- just too sentimental about the old Sears. AND, it's quickest off the line in belt sander races -- blows away Boschs, PCs, Makitas, all of 'em.I also have a Sears orbital sander (not random orbit) of the same vintage. That, I won't defend. It's useless.
Mike,
I have to second your opinion on the Craftsman belt sander. I've had mine for about the same time you've had yours and I agree, it has saved my butt more than once. Granted, it's not eactly a finishing tool.
And, you'd best have a good grip on it when you put that bad boy to wood armed with an 80 grit belt!!!
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
A PC electric plane, only got it because I wanted to plane my shops roof rafters so it was perfectly flat. Anal? Yes! But a flat roof.
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
My reply will probably seem strange. The electric powered router. I last used it to make sliding dove-tails in a tripod pedistal five years ago..It saved me some time compared with hand cutting them as I had done in the past. In the same situation I might use it again if I can find it.
Tom
I was looking for a laser line for markinging out level for walls, wainscot, etc. I thought I would save a few bucks and get a special Home Depot sale for a Ryobi level and a FREE stud sensor.
The laser projects a line about 10' long visible when the lights are off, the vacuum base is unusable and leveling the laser on a tripod is so finicky I gave up. The stud sensor couldn't sense a stud even on a brand new wall (where the stud positions were known). What pieces of crap.
Ryobi tools seemed OK up to 10 years ago. Now they are all junk. The boss (an HD fan) recently bought a Ryobi contractors saw. What a pile of junk. It's so bad I fear to use it, and will use the 13 year old busted fence Delta saw out on jobs before I use the Ryobi. Sounds like it's going to explode every time I switch it on....
Love my Rockler router table but I must've been outta my mind when I bought the plate that would let me use my Bosch jigsaw upside down for $50 ?!?!?!?!? This is an incredibly stupid idea and lasted one attempt.
Tablesaw taper jig from Rockler. Downright dangerous. Made my own from FWW article.
Johnny
Ink: It's not for woodworking but my 15hp electric start pressure washer. Bought it to do the walkways and driveway. It works just fine but could have done with a much smaller, cheaper machine. Did a little upgrading: trickle charger, hour meter, rear wheels. Looks cool in the garage where it sits most of the time. Like I've said before; I worked in industry and lean towards heavier machines, need them at home or not.
Duke
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15 HP PRESSURE WASHER!!!! Wow-imagine the possibilities! Is it a rider or a walk behind model?
It is remote controled, I sit in my lawn chair with control box.................:~)Support the Troops, Support your Country
Support Western Civilization:
Fight Islamofascism
Duke-one wonders how you could possibly consider this a useless tool. Ever since I read your initial post, I keep thinking of new situations that would be a perfect fit for this tool. How do you think it would work for bark removal?
Edited 3/31/2007 10:32 am ET by Ink Man
Duke,
If you'd be inclined, I will gladly except shipment of your Mega Washer, but can you add power steering? I think you've come up with a reason for me to keep my useless hair dryer.
I envision that along with my 25hp, 40 gazillion watt hair dryer they could team up to clean out the shop! Just open the door and let 'er rip! Blow dry everything dry amd we're done.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob: Will do! If only we could get it to clean Washington D.C. of politicians (of any stripe)!
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I've read the posts, and have fortunately avoided most of the item listed, but I nominated three items from my shop:
A blade-angle setting gauge that uses magnets to stick to the saw blade.
A Craftsman 16-tooth carbide drunken dado.
A Rockler aluminum taper jig.
The blade angle gauge attaches to the blade with a magnet. It has a very small scale and built-in magnification bubble, but it's still incredibly hard to read with the saw running. If I stop the blade, and dink around, I can get close to whatever angle I want. I have better, more accurate methods now.
The wobble dado blade seemed like a good purchase before I knew about dado stacks. It hadn't seen any usage in years, but recently I needed to plough narrow slots in hard maple rails and stiles, and it did a nice job for me. Kept me from going to any place or catalog that had tools, so probably saved me a bunch of money. The rounded bottom effect is not apparent with the blade close to its minimum width setting. I decided that it would work fine for cuts that needed to be between .125" and .250" that my dado stack can't handle.
I have a Rockler taper jig that I bought early on, and the first few times I needed to cut a taper, I would pick up the box from its resting place, look at the thang, and then just rig a jig to do the job safely.
Hands down, kids, the winner of the "tool that really isn't" award goes to the Rockler Aluminum Taper Jig. If it were a tool, it would get used someday.
Bob
I bought a scroll saw thinking it would double as a band saw - and 100 broken blades later, the scroll saw has no use in my shop, but I use my new band saw all the time.
Hope you're not serious:)
Paul
It was April fools day today wasn't it? I don't know what to believe at the moment ;-)Greg
Ah, Forgot all about that. Maybe that explains things.
Paul
For me it would have to be one of those alignment jigs you use with a portable electric drill. I think it's called a Port-a-Line? They're supposed to give your portable drill the accuracy of a drill press. The problem is the chuck and bearing wobble so bad that it's impossible get a hole to even start where you want it much less drill straight.
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