Friends,
I have five hand saws, and over a dozen hand planes, more than 50 gouges, more than a dozen chisels.
Why limit oneself to a single forum? Why not use two forums? You make more friends, and learn more stuff. A couple of troublemakers said previously that I am trying to “poach” the few people who are left in Knots. That just isn’t true. Poaching means to take away. I just think that some of you, not all, might enjoy adding to your Knots experience by visiting the Burl once in a while.
I just looked down the list of those who have posted recently (that is, in the past few weeks) on Knots, and many of them also frequent the Burl. Besides, if you visit the Burl, you can see all of the folks that you don’t see here any more. So please stop on over to
http://forums.delphiforums.com/burl
and post a message. Look at all of the large number of threads and posts. We have one active thread which is well over 200 posts now. There are many over 50 posts. You can start a new thread and get more than a dozen responses the same day. It really is an interesting experience. Indeed, it is no different from the way Knots used to be. You might just get a kick out of it.
And then you can com back to Knots and visit your friends here. TWO SETS OF FRIENDS ARE BETTER THAN ONE.
Enjoy. See you in the Burl, and back here too. You can own both Lie Nielsen and Lee Valley tools, and you can belong to both Knots and The B url. Widen your horizons! Indeed, why not go over there and try to poach people to come back here? 🙂
Mel
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Muli task
Personally, I frequent three forums. Knots, The Burl and OWWM.
Bruce,
One upsmanship at its best. Great comment. Thanks.
Mel
PS remember, there is no tool like an old tool.
One upmanship ?????
One upmanship was the last thing on my mind !!! I'll leave that to Congress, there is enough of that going on in DC. And one can easily see that it's a destructive mind set.
I can see why Forestgirl has vacated our midst . she didn't like to talk politics, religion or anything controversial.
So, Mel ! Run for congress, OR Play nicely.
Interesting thread at Sawmillcreek. The Burl got a good number of votes.
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?158045-Woodworking-Forums
Yeah he said that, whoope dooo....given it is populated by people who is unhappy with this forum, what would be the point? The tacky part comes when he keeps peddling the site for new people coming to THIS forum see his post and visit the other site. Shameless poaching at it's best.
Ok, since Mel9619 keeps harping about how wonderful the new site is, how they have a thread with over 200 messages blah, blah, blah. I figure I would visit again and verify this is true. Well, my last visit to the site was about 10 days ago, where I decided it was not very interesting and removed it from my bookmarks. So fast forward to today, in 10 days the "General discussions" only has about 7 new posts, the "hand tools" has only 2 new posts, the "power tools" has 5 new posts. By my count this is only marginally better than this forum, specially since most of the members were poached from Knots...so, how is this the second coming of internet WW forums?
jg,
Did you notice at the top of Mel's post there was a note of " a couple of trouble makers" critiquing him? When was a difference of opinion trouble making? If you reply to his posts in an agreeable manner, he'll fawn over you in reply. Disagree with him and he disappears. There's a word for that.
I know a person that used to enjoy the tool forum and he told me in conversation that he finally avoided it because Mel was often there writing his self absorbed essays.
The point is not about which forum is better, that's childish. We all have a multitude of interests with many avenues including web forums.
In my opinion the point is: Mel's like the impertinent child that requires constant attention. He has to be heard.
I did notice and I could not give a rat's ass if he labels me as a "troublemaker". I just think it is not fair that he abuses this site to poach members, yet he continues to post how wonderful his friend's site is when it is really not.
What is worse is that in the new site he has toned down his 5 page diatribes, it is only when he comes here that he acts like the pedantic, know it all jackass. If he hates it here so much why doesn't he leave for good? I found the new site boring and did not join, he should have the same courtesy towards us.
jg,
Thank you very much for continuing to post to this thread. That is exactly what I want you to do. Keep this thread current for as long as possible.
Mel
YOu are welcome, I don't mind telling people how shabby that new site is.
jg, come to The Burl and join the dark side... hahaha
The Burl is only as good or as bad as the people that post. We've been growing fairly well in the past few weeks. So far we just surpassed 550 members and have nearly 4700 total posts. If we continue on this pace we'll have over 2000 members at the end of the year with nearly 25,000 posts. Not too shabby for having no advertising budget and all of it through word of mouth. The forum that started it all, Breaktime Classic, has over 1200 members and over 100,000 posts so The Burl can have a bright future.
Breaktime Classic at Deplhi has almost 1300 members and over 107,000 posts.
Jerry, Absolutely.
Jerry,
Absolutely. Breaktime Classic is an excellent forum. Hard for me to understand folks getting upset at the suggestion that they visit other forums once in a while. Actually the most fun thread, especially for troublemakers, is the Canadian woodworking forum. Wow. they really get it on. Interestingly enough, when they do have an argument, it is over woodworking practices or tools, not over whether a person should stick to a single forum.
Thanks for posting.
Mel
The Breaktimers left the Taunton forum in about a week and never looked back. I do not understand why is was not the same with Knots.
You mean the boring side? Where many of the members are continually whining and/or know it all and writing essays on how should people spend their money? No thanks.
As for the number of members, sure, you poached most from here. But if that is your measure then Lumberjocks has more than 23K, Woodtalk about 17K and I don't know about Woodnet, but I believe it is somewhere in there. Clearly if you want information those are the places to go, not a new forum populated by people poached from another one, no?. The number of posts is irrelevant, you have a few threads, a couple with a lot of posts but mostly not really anything interesting.
Now that I have you here though, I would not join your site at all given your response. It is one thing for your shill to come here and poach people, it is another for you, the owner of the site to come here and do the same thing. You have no class buddy.
owner??
hahaha.. I'm not the owner just the host. Delphi owns the site not me.
You need to relax and take a chill pill dude. Did you ever stop and think that if Taunton really didn't like Mel's posts, they would simply remove them? Maybe Taunton doesn't care. Maybe they're glad all the unhappy members are gone.
A year ago, all I would read were posts about how much the new site sucks. I didn't like it either but Taunton has every right to change the website the way that fits their needs. People complained and complained about the new forum and it got old. So, I decided to go over to Delphi and create a forum so when people did complain I would say "Here. Here is a forum just like old Knots." But no one came. So I figured maybe people just liked to complain and I forgot about it. It wasn't until early Dec 2010 that people finally arrived, thanks to Mel and Boss Crunk. Now the forum is alive and people are happy again.
Everyday new people come and join Knots that have no idea how it use to be and like it the way it is. Eventually a whole new breed of members will be here. The old members will be at The Burl. In fact, if it weren't for Mel's "visit The Burl" posts all this hoopla would be a thing of the past. Maybe you're falling into Mel's trap.
MIke,
I believe your answer to jg assumes a lot. You actually tried to reason with him. I used to try too. Didn't work.
My belief about Taunton and Knots is that they would be very happy if it went away. That belief is based on the fact that folks left, and kept leaving and kept leaving, and all the while, they were saying why they were leaving, and Taunton didn't even acknowledge that folks were leaving or that the complaints were mounting. I did hear about the need to reduce cost, and about the fact that this doesn't generate revenue. I never saw anyone who counts from Taunton get on line and make any sort of statements that there is a plan to make Knots succeed,, so "PLEASE STAY AND HELP US DO IT." I think they are quite happy about my posts, which aren't all that often, and that they wish that more folks would leave.
That does not make me happy. I loved the old Knots. Of course, there is not much difference between the old Knots and the new Burl.
In any case, let's get down to real stuff - woodworking. I posted a response to your message about chip carving, which includes a photo of two of my plates. If you want to get into chip carving, I will be happy to put together a page of ideas (a few book titles, a place that sells a few things that help you do the layout, etc. Let me know what you think. I'd much rather talk about woodwork to other woodworkers than to listen to the whining inane claims that are coming out of jg and peter.
Have fun.
Mel
You know, you are full of it. Just because some one does not agree with you does not mean they are irrational. In fact given that you put words in other peoples mouth, as it where does not make it true. You must be a legend in your own mind.
The facts are that unlike that crappy new site you only post here to shill and poach new members for that site. Pretty tacky. I bet you must have been in and administrative/support capacity at NASA and mainly just getting in the way of real work.
Mike,
Maybe you'll answer this. You mentioned something about Taunton removing Mels posts if they didn't like them. They may just roll their eyes and keep going when they see his name. It's a possibility. I'm sure they have much more work to be concerned with than with him don't you think? He has contacted Taunton many times telling them how to do it. That's a fact. How would you like someone doing that to you on a constant basis? It's probably why he's ignored.
I imagine I'm on his ignore button which makes perfect sense. He'll let others defend him. You know the word for that right?
I'm sure Taunton has better things to do than read all these posts but I'm sure if someone came out and posted a hate rant against a certain race, they would remove it asap. Basically, if they wanted to remove a post they thought was inappropriate, they would.
All I have to say to you is that your rant does not give you the right to you abuse the kidness of Tauton has shown to you by not removing the posts. I was thinking about that, in any other forum yours and Mel9xxx's post would have been removed in a few minutes. As I said, you and your shill have no class.
It is irrelevant that people complained, this is a paid site and Tauton is free to do what they wish with it. If you don't like it do what you did and create your own site, but don't come here and poach the members. You and Mel9xxx have done nothing but post how wonderful your site is, well, as I see it is nothing more than a circle jerk where misery loves company. Be done with Knots and leave for good. If you are so certain your site is better then you should be the one taking the chill pill and let the chips fall where they may, otherwise, admit your site is nothing more than a cheap clone of knots.
"circle jerk where misery
"circle jerk where misery loves company" WOW I wish you would come over to The Bxxx.... You'd be a lot of fun!! You can bad mouth me all you want and I won't ban you. I promise.
My site is a cheap clone of Knots... but people like it.
Poach members?
I've watched this thread with great amusement every couple of days. The only thing I haven' seen is someone calling someone else 4 eyes. However, it has had the most replies of any thread in a long time so that's good I guess.
Personally I wish there were more woodworking forums. I love it when I learn of new ones or ones that have existed for a long time and I just did not know about them. To me the more the merrier. This is not the only place one can go for information or interaction. Personally I like to gather information from as many places as possible. Right now I actively monitor and participate in 5-6 forums on varried interests. From two specifically about Festool products to one on old machinery that I just recently found (Thanks Jeff), and a couple other catch all types similar to here i.e. sawmill-creek etc. It's the diversity of ideas and folks that makes a forum IMO. It's a great pleasure just to look at the pictures of all the projects and the great things being made. So to me bring em on go start some new ones.
It's all good! Let's have fun make sawdust! Ain't that what its all about?
Bones,
If you want a really fun woodworking forum, I suggest the Canadian Woodworking Forum. You can get it at:
http://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/forum.php
It is the wildest of the forums that I know of.
Enjoy.
Mel
I have no problem with that, as long as you keep coming and lying about how wonderful that other site is I am here to show you for what you are... :-)
jg,
Great, is is good to be in partnership with you.
Let me make a few points.
1) you seem to think I am negative on Knots, and that I am trying to take people away from Knots. That is not true. I like both, and recommend folks use both forums and other forums as well.
2) you are the only being negative here, saying that The Burl is not a good place. I am giving the same advice on the Burl as here: visit Knots and The Burl. Two forums are better than one. Three are better than too. ( but 35 forums are too many.
3) You are advising woodworkers to limit their options, and you are telling them where to go and where not to go. I am doing just the opposite. I am advising them to make their own decisions, and to try all of the alternatives. You seem to be worried that if people try the Burl, they might not come back.
Let us be ecumenical. Let us all live in peace. Let us all be free to roam around and try alternatives. Let us never advise others to limit their options.
Don't you agree? Isn't it better to give people more rather than less? Don't you think they should make their own decisions?
I have been here at Knots longer than you, and I will be here when you tire of it.
Enjoy,
Mel
1 you like both yet you only come here to sing the praises of that other site? Look, when you think you are smarter than someone else, make sure you really are. I am not buying your crap.
2 I am not saying it is no good, I am saying that for me it was a boring place that seemed to be populated by people who were here and have run out of things to say.
3 I am not advising anybody to limit anything, I am just stating the place is not as great as you make it out to be every time you post here.
Not negative? How many times have you lamented that;
"I've advised FWW on what they need to do with Knots' (paraphrased)
"I've contacted FWW on what they need for articles."
"They won't listen to me"
" I've tried to tell them but..."
I can't believe the staff didn't just run with all your ideas. What were they thinking? How will Taunton make it without Mel?
I don't believe that JG was telling any other woodworkers how to decide anything. That's your spin. He like many others find you boorish. I know people that avoided sections where you posted because and I'm quoting here "What a PIA and whiner"
I looked in on the Burl and was glad to see it functioning. Have fun with it. It was also good to see a few chronic complainers settled in along with you. Birds of a feather. Now you can all whine together.
To Mike; Good luck and all the best with your site.
passers by may wonder who the nut case is !
jg , Let me explain about Mel , he is sort of like those Religious agents that go door to door .
The more they get cussed out and roughed up the better spot they get in Heaven , so let it go
because you are firmly hooked by a skilled cajoler.
regards dusty
Burl comment.
I like to post pictures and I like avatars. The last time I visited The Burl I saw no avatars and I couldn't post pictures. I guess if I got a paid membership it might be possible to post pix but I have not gone that route. Perhaps the fact that we can post unlimited numbers of pix here on Knots slows the site down from time to time but it is worth it IMHO.
Swensen,
GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU. I have the basic membership at the Burl. I did not upgrade, and will not pay for membership. Yet I post lots of photos on the Burl. It is very easy to do. I will show you how to do it at the next meeting of the Guild.
Please visit the Burl and look under Hand Tools, and look at the photo of my hand-carved set of dividers. Then go to the Gallery and look at the many photos that I posted in a single message about "Two mini thrones for two minor monarchs."
The photos are numerous, high quality, easy to post, and cost nothing. The process is different in how to post photos on The Burl and on Knots, but neither is more difficult.
I agree that with you that there is no way to use avatars on The Burl. But while Avatars are nice, they don't provide much info after you see them the first time. I like to know who I am talking to, but not necessarily what they look like, or what photo they want associated with themselves.
Hope that helps. Please understand that I am not trying to talk folks out of staying at Knots. I am merely suggesting that they open their minds to try two or more forums.
I missed you at the last Guild meeting. Hope to see you at the Feb meeting.
Mel
Mel,
clicked on the link to Delphi and tried to create an account.
Didn't like my user name, ASK same as here but got a message in red telling me the user name cannnot have spaces. It didn't
And I could find no place to contact them to explain the problem.
Any thoughts?
ASK
ASK,
I had the same problem when I first tried to sign on. After a few tries, I came up with a name it found acceptable. It wasn't my first choice, but so what.
My suggestion is to write to Mike Flaim, who heads up the Burl. You can get him here in Knots by writing to
mvflaim
Also, he has a message in this thread, you can just answer his message and ask him about the problem you had. Mike is a great guy. Very helpful. If somehow that doesn't work out, write back to me, and I'll go and try to figure out what the problem is.
Hope to see you in The Burl as well as back here in Knots.
Mel
So you cannot sign up at that other site and you have to come here to fix it? How much more tacky can you people get? Is this an example of the great new site? LOL.
JG,
Pretty comical isn't it? Asking questions here because of sign up issues.
You notice that Melanie doesn't have the stones to answer me? He can't believe that Taunton wouldn't listen to all HIS suggestions. I wasn't making that up. While I was still answering questions in the expert forum he once scolded me for not answering a question in a manner he deemed acceptable. He let me know I hurt his feelings. I was pretty surprised that such a loud mouth was so thin skinned. That's when I asked after 30 years at NASA was his nickname Melanie? I know a lot of NASA folks and they deplore whiners. He never answered that either.
Troublemakers, is that the pot calling the kettle black? Remember he has a need to be heard.....
A note to Melanie.... two, three, four, five forums are fine. Some may like your golden fleece some may not. That's fine. The underlying issue is you knew exactly what you were doing and yet (wink wink) you feign only goodness. What a phony.
Don't judge the entire book by a wannabe coverboy
Hey, Peter. How are you doing? It's been a while.
Listen up.......please don't think that Mel speaks for the entire Burl forum membership. He does not. Nobody asked him to come over here and do his trollish thing, (which I find quite distasteful myself, btw).
Most intelligent people are capable of making their own decisions based on likes and dislikes, and to think that any individual, good or bad, can 'steal' members from one forum and coerce them into joining another, exclusively, is absurd.
Mike (mvflaim) has done a terrific thing for many of the old members of this forum by starting "The Burl". Many of us old Knotheads who put a decade of time into this forum felt like we no longer had a way to stay in contact with each other because of what many of us believed to be as the demise of the Knots. For new members here at the Knots, nothing is missed, because they have no idea what it used to be like here.
I am not here to convince anyone of anything, other than this......Mel does as he wishes, whenever he wishes, about whatever he wishes........with total disregard to how it might be perceived by others he tries so hard to communicate with in his "oh so special" way. Don't judge the entire Burl membership and forum by his silly ass antics.
The Burl is a nice forum. It's been a little bit slow of late, but it'll pick up as more and more people find us. There have already been some really great topics, and some lively debates. I used to get that here, but I don't anymore.
The Knots, I'm sure, is also a nice forum for the folks who now come here........I'm rarely attending anymore so I apologize for not knowing who everyone is here anymore.
Anyway, it was good to see your name, and I hope to chat with you again. Take it easy.
Jeff
EDIT: BTW, photos are quite easy to post over at the Burl without upgrading a membership. We have a thread about how to do it, too. You don't have to travel to another forum to learn how........
Jeff I agree with you in all counts, but when does it stop? As the saying goes, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. If this moron thinks that other is is great, fine with me, bet lets not pollute this site with his BS:
Hey Jeff,
Good to hear from you. Just to be clear, I wished Mike well on the success with the Burl. Really, who cares how many sites someone frequents?
I do think Melanie had other intentions no matter how he wraps his rhetoric. It was pretty cheesy, but what the hell it's just my opinion. His "oh so special way"is a very good way to put it.
You and I are of the same ilk though. I really detest when someone needs others to speak up and protect them. I'm sure he's just loving the attention he's getting. He's really a strange bird.
I don't judge anyone there by his "standards" I know better than that. To be honest I looked at it once or twice but don't spend a lot of time perusing websites.
A little off topic; I needed a front end loader to clear my driveway today after the storm that hit us last night. I spent the better part of the day shoveling the roof of my shop and house.I keep telling myself "It's OK it's OK, it's hockey season" You playing this year? I had someone hit me in the ear with a shot that chipped my helmet. He was in the corner on the goal line so I looked to see who was in the slot and then BANG.Talk about idiots! But what the hell, it didn't go in.
I was in Indianapolis last week doing finishing seminars for the Woodworking Show. Cold place. I have Columbus next week and then a bunch on the east coast. Winter travel is so much fun.
How's biz going? Anything good? Stay in touch.
Peter
Peter
Thanks for the reply. I have officially hung up my skates. I enjoy going to watch my son play.......he's in his 3rd year of college now, and is a helluva player.
I am pretty busy with work right now, mixing woodworking into remodeling a huge basement. I'll be doing the bar, entertainment center, and fireplace surround, as well as bathroom cabinets, etc.......but I also am doing the entire remodeling job, pulling out all the old paneling, ceiling tiles, etc......and re-doing it all in dryway and those new, really cool looking "raised panel" drop ceiling panels.
It's all paying work, which is just fine with me. An apple a day........
Jeff
You cannot use your old Knots user name because the original Knots was hosted by Delphi and is listed as in use. I just added a 1 to my old Knots user name and it worked fine.
MORE THAN ONE?
I'm residing at six forums, right now. I have also been "booted" off a couple others (why? no clue) I'd list the names, but there are so many. Some might see whitedog hanging around their site, or maybe someone called bandit571. At the "Creek", I have to go by my real name, scary. Some are VERY is to post pictures on, some very difficult. I like easy. If one site is a little slow one day, I surf the others. Waiting for spring to show up, so I can get back out to the shop.
IS one site better than the others? Depends a great deal on WHAT one is looking for.
Dog,
Good to hear from you. We haven't traded messages in a while. I agree with you. The more, the merrier.
The Canadian forum is wild.
Mel
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