What sort of tools do I need to sharpen my card scarpers?
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You've been here for 3 years. There's a ton of recent posts on that subject. Do a little looking around.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
~ Denis Diderot
Man you have a short fuse.
Well, I'm not an expert, but for mine, I use a file and a burnisher. I use the file to get it flat on the top surface, and remove the rolled over burr. I then use a burnisher (a router bit edge will do as well)
Here is a link with pics that will help
http://liutaiomottola.com/Tools/Scraper.htm
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.
And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
That is a hot topic around here. Lots of opinions on burnishers. Basically, you need to flatten the edge and remove the burr, then roll over a new burr. (You don't need a burr for really fine work). I use a diamond stone, 600x and a Veritas Tri-burnisher.
Chris @ www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
(soon to be www.flairwoodworks.com)
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
"What sort of tools do I need to sharpen my card scrapers?
You need the simple sort.
They are a fine file, an oilstone and a burnisher.
I second what D. Green said.
Mill file, coarse diamond plate, oilstone, and burnisher.
Takes longer to describe how to do it than to do it, particularly amongst this crowd.
If you are out in the "wild" and you don't have the full multi-million dollar shop full of tools to back you up, in a pinch you can use sandpaper placed on a flat surface and the barrel of a screwdriver to roll the burr.
Good luck.
Gawd, Harrison, you have added an extra tool to the list-what are you playing at??Philip Marcou
Maybe the oilstone?
If so, even I will take the time to 'stone' the steel faces once in awhile.
EDIT:
I forgot. I sometimes will 'stone' the edge but usually not necessary because I use a quality grade mill file that is kept in a wooden box for protection from my other tools.
Maybe we could list a set of quality files and rasps as finewoodworking tools? Using a good grade file will negate the need (usually) of stoning the edge. My opinion only.
Edited 1/7/2009 6:30 am by WillGeorge
I think you're on to something, Will. I specifically mentioned mill file in my list because my technique is to use a big ole' heavy 12 inch long and 1/4 inch thick mill file, suitable for serious metal filing or rapping a miscreant burglar upside the head.There are two angles I'm concerned with - 90 degrees for the card scrapers, 45 degrees for the scrapers that go in the Stanley 80. There is no horking around with calipers and honing guides and Rube Goldberg jigs and gizmocity when I form these angles - the big mill file allows you to clamp the scraper in your vise and "eyeball" the appropriate angle easily.Metal filings fly,..and there. You're done already. Finis. Not a science project.Take care.Edit to add: Of course the mill file has a wooden handle on the tang end and you could put a second, detachable handle on the other end as well."Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
Edited 1/7/2009 8:06 am by EdHarrison
>quality grade mill file that is kept in a wooden box for protection from my other tools.Hey I am not much good with scrapers but I put a decent, new, file in my scraper "kit" that I only use for the scrapers. I don't know about great minds and all that but I am with you on that one.roc
Wood,
Others use a steel burnisher. A carbide burnisher works much better.
Now you know that rubbing your card scraper on an abrasive device such as a file, sandpaper or diamondstones or an oilstone generates metal dust, which is dangerous stuff. The oil on the oilstone will keep most of the metal dust from getting into the air and into your nose and lungs, which in large quantities will surely cause you to die a terrible and painful death. So if you use water on your diamondstone to keep the particles down, you could rust your scraper and your diamondstone.
A way out would be to build a nice dust extraction system on a specially built card scraper station, WHICH EVERY WOODSHOP SHOULD HAVE. You can do this in a manner analogous to the dust extraction system on the back of the fence of a router table.
By the way, there is a problem with asking for advice on Knots. You get lots of different answers. How can you tell which one to believe? Some of them are just plain unbelievable.
Also, I saw that someone suggested that you look up the answer to this question, which has been asked dozens of times, and is often written up in the woodworking mags and books. I can't believe anyone would say something like that. After all, that would take opportunities away from people like me who really enjoy writing the same thing over and over. So when people say sensible things, it is often good not to pay attention. After all, most woodworkers spend too much time alone, and we look forward to virtual interaction with others, even if it means being repetitive.
OK, now I can start telling you the truth. You should disregard everything I have said up til now. Here comes the real info.
The important thing about putting a hook on a card scraper is to do as Yoda says, and "Just do it." Then the most important thing. Try out your scraper. If you just get dust, then you didn't do a good job of putting the hook on. SO THE IMPORTANT THING for a newbie is to check your progress as you prepare it for use. FEEL the edge before you flatten the sides and the top. THen feel the edge after you do each step. "FEEL THE HOOK". You will be able to feel it. It doesn't take long to put a hook on a scraper, but it can be done right and it can be done wrong. After you do it a few times, and after checking your progress at each step, you will soon figure out what "right" means. Using a scraper to put a finish on a piece of wood really is a satisfying process.
Now that I have given you the Rosetta Stone, let me go back to BS, which really is the backbone of Knots. You didn't ask the REAL question. How much do you need to spend on a card scraper to get good quality? Is a Bahco scraper good enough? How about the Lie Nielsen's? Can you just take a piece of metal out of an old coffee can and use that? Can you get an adequate card scraper for less than $350?
Also, there are new "totes" that can be added to a card scraper. Veritas (Lee Valley) sells one. It holds the card scraper in the proper bent manner for you. A recent article recommended this as a proper tools for older woodworkers. Also, there is a kit you can buy for fettling your card scraper. But now the cost of card scraping starts to escalate -- the scraper, the tote, the sharpening system, etc. You may have to refinance your house, just to get a card scraper system in your shop.
Have fun.
Mel
PS remember that I pointed out the one paragraph in the above missive that is worth paying attention to. The rest was due to drinking too much coffee this morning. But I really want you to think about the question of figuring out who to pay attention to on Knots. It is not so easy, at first. After a while, you can figure out who gives good info. I am thinking of offering my services to the owners of this website, and give them a list of such people, who should be allowed to put the initials RGW (Really Good Woodworker) after their name. That way you will be able to tell who to trust. We really do need to weed out some of the comedians around here. But you did ask a good question. There is nothing like a card scraper. Ever since I started using one, my wife tells me that I have lost weight, become a better conversationalist, and my hair is starting to fill in after receding for a number of decades.
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,"Now you know that rubbing your card scraper on an abrasive device such as a file, sandpaper or diamondstones or an oilstone generates metal dust, which is dangerous stuff. . . .A way out would be to build a nice dust extraction system on a specially built card scraper station, WHICH EVERY WOODSHOP SHOULD HAVE. You can do this in a manner analogous to the dust extraction system on the back of the fence of a router table."For years woodworkers have placed themselves in jeopardy by using card scraper sharpening metal dust extraction systems which only serve to throw as much dust back into the shop environment as they pick up. There is ample information on the Internet about these inadequate dust collection systems sold by various manufacturers in their greedy efforts to get a piece of the lucrative card sharpening metal dust collection pie.The only worthwhile dust extraction system to use is a specially-designed cyclone system. I have built, according to plans readily available by rocket scientists, now retired who have set up their own wood working shops and devoting their thinking processes to solving these vexing kind of work shop issues, such a cyclone system.The design uses a 15 hp, 3 phase, 440v motor with a 34" diameter impeller, encased in a pyrex glass enclosure, through which one can see the dust being swirled around and down into the collection drum.Oneida, Penn State and Grizzly will soon introduce their own versions of such a system, but for now, I and the rocket scientists have cutting edge (so to speak) systems.Finally, my shop is free of the clouds of dangerous dust that used to pile up everywhere and cling to every surface from my card sharpening activity.Rich
That's the spirit.
Rich,
15 HP ain't gonna do it. But I hear that Dyson wants to get into the woodworking tool business, and is planning a 30 HP system with its own backup generator in case you want to use it during a blackout. I put safety first. When I need to sharpen my card scrapers, I contact the local hospital and ask when their operating rooms will not be in use. They let me use these operating rooms which have positive airflow which remove the metal dust immediately. In return, I teach their surgeons how to properly sharpen their scalpels using properly fettled Shapton stones.I am very glad to see that we share this emphasis on shop safety. It is also good to meet someone believes that exaggeration in the cause of safety is a good thing. Sic gloria transit woodworking,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Yeah,You might be right about the horse power. Never can have too muchFortunately, I had the shop fitted out with adequate ducting. Nothing less than 60" diameter polished nickel-chromium-plated 10 ga will do. Anything less and there's unacceptable air flow restriction.That sucker (*cough*) will slurp down a cow that strays too close!Rich
I found a picture of the dust collector where Mel used to work.
I think one of the guys standing there is Mel.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Edited 1/7/2009 8:33 pm by dgreen
Ooohh!
Found a better picture, notice how clean and dust free the shop is!!
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Who is that on the far left? Can somebody please keep Mary Poppins and her gentleman friend AWAY from the wind turbines?"Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
That's the Swedish girl that sharpens Mel's scrapers and her bodyguard.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
On her day off, she thought that she would escape to the one place in the USA where more wind and noise was produced,..."Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
She went to see Washington DC?
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
ED, no I don't think so, I had my daughter the techno geek blow up the pic of that shadow at the left and I think it was his caddy luggin his golf clubs preceeded by his driver who was urging him to make haste less he blow his tee time. You know how these federal guys must entertain the high level bozos from over the pond. Paddy
Rich,
We are planning a Knots-party sometime next summer in East Central US. The only competition we have planned so far is a "woodworking liars competition". I would be honored to be on a team with you and Don Green. I believe the three of us would be unbeatable. Heck against us, the team of Ed Harrison, Charles Stanford and Lataxe wouldn't stand a chance. And against these two teams, no other team would even bother to form. Some hills are just too hard to climb. It would be fun, wouldn't it?
Hmmmmmmmm..........I am going to talk to my Swedish au pair to see if she will set this up. Right now she is sharpening my scythe. MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,"Some hills are just too hard to climb.It would be fun, wouldn't it?"Indeed! Such a team would be formi-DA-ble!However, it will be difficult, if not impossible for me to reschedule my duties then as principle adviser for diplomatic and economic affairs in the new administration. This is a post that supersedes all authority of Secretary of State, Treasury and Fed Chairman (and other cabinet positions, as necessary). It will not be announced for a while, but I have already been working behind the scenes, and will continue to do so into the first term, and beyond.I will do what I can, should a Knots party materialize.Rich
Don,
Nice big fans.
I am impressed.
Your shop will be very clean.
I have a friend who flies F-18s, and he told me where I could get a used engine in good shape, but after seeing your setup, the F 18 engine is just too wimpy. I bow to a greater imagination.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel;
I wish that was my shop but is the shop of your former employer. I figured you took it home with you as part of your severance package.
edited for a typo
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Edited 1/7/2009 11:33 pm by dgreen
: )>lost weight, become a better conversationalist, and my hair is starting to fill in<Some body hand me a shovel it is getting deep in here fast. : )
roc
I was just thinking about card scrapers today. A woodworker in Montana just put up a video with his sharpening technique here: http://americancraftsman.blip.tv/#1629380
Matthew Teague wrote an article on the topic recently: http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesPDF.aspx?id=31463
We also have two burnishing videos online:
Yes... this is a shameless promotion of our site content... :)
Good luck with your sharpening!
Gina, FineWoodworking.com
You're wasting your time Gina. Unfortunately, most of the crowd here agonize like hell over the purchase of a simple screwdriver. Setting up a "scraping system" is at least a six month Odyssey in which many test boards will be slayed, internet forums assaulted, and wallets emptied.The gentlemen featured in your lovely videos (and I subscribe to the online content and have watched 'em all) figured it out and moved on. I can, right now, hear and smell the hissing and smoking computers at the mere thought of it.
Edited 1/8/2009 11:12 am ET by TaunTonMacoute
Chaz,
Most of the crowd here agonise over your tedious drone. Do you have another Important Message for us all? I for one am utterly bored of The Only One You Post, which is also Completely Wrong. Cuh!
Lataxe, trying to get the annoying crackling & spitting out of his Knots receiver.
Well, that's life sport-o.Did Philip and Derek give you permission to watch the videos?
Edited 1/7/2009 6:01 pm ET by TaunTonMacoute
TTM,
There will soon be a bronze and steel burnisher, peened dovetailed along its length, with both soft and hard steel scraper plates, on its way from Perth to Galgate, with an African blackwood handle, French-fitted to its Tasmanian-oak-tanned, camellia-oil impregnated, emu-skin lined, birdseye bubinga scabbard. All that is preventing the transaction, is the monthly pension cheque, first of next month. Pictures at eleven.
Ray
You possess a rare confluence of talents.
Ray,
I am now eagerly awaiting that lovely Perth-made object you describe so lovingly. I hope it is real and not a figment of your therapy otherwise I, but also the sneer-men, will be most disappointed.
Lataxe
Lataxe,
Mouth-watering isn't it. Start saving those Bank of England notes.
Ray
Hey Mel, thanks for the tip on this discussion. You're right - they are all mad (almost as good as the magazine).
With these tidbits my Best of Knots is certain to be a best seller.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob,
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Ray, mad as a hatter
It's official - after he cuts himself loose from the apron-strings of "the ladywife," polishes his bench planes to a high degree of visual sheen approaching swirling, rooey, interlocked metallic grain chatoyance, duly records the cat-like behaviors of the cat for all posterity, and performs other miscellaneous chores, our trusty formless and shapeless lump of latex is allowed to watch the burnishing videos for a period of not more than one hour, after which he is required to write ecstatic panegyrics about a chunk of metal used as a scraper for not less than 30 days. Pictures at eleven. Maybe.... assuming that the computer-literate crowd can figure out how to insert one line of simple HTML code into a post and create an inline photo.
Have fun.
"Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
Jeez, and you do too. You guys really do have a gift.
Edited 1/7/2009 7:50 pm ET by TaunTonMacoute
Nah - a gift for wasting time, if anything. Someday, though,...a crime fiction novel featuring custom woodworkers,...so just how could a 1500 pound 16 inch Oliver jointer be used as a murder weapon?,...hmmm,...time to get to work.(Sorry to the original poster for hijack. Answer to the original question - what ever works. Learn how to sharpen and form the hook blindfolded. It should be that easy, that simple, that mechanical, that quick.)
Ed,
I hope you niver get to be a teacher (possibly in Mel's school of "find out yourself") as otherwise the educational index is likely to take a nose dive.
Student: "Please sir, how does one fly this helicopter"?
Ed: "Well, whatever works. Learn how to waggle the knobs and levers until you can do it blindfolded. It will be easy and quick, especially when you crash into the ground or the other helicopters".
I suppose this method of imparting knowledge has the virtue of allowing the teacher never to have to explain things and thus reveal his own abysmal ignorance of the matter. :-)
Lataxe, who suspects a case of weak-mindedness here and there.
Ha ha ha.
Actually, when explaining helicopter aerodynamics, the acronym "PFM," which stands for something like "Pure Magic," is an accepted usage and has been employed by more than one instructor.I have told people: "Make the helicopter do what you want it to - You fly it, don't let it fly you!" and I was not the first to invent that phrase, either.And thirdly, there was something called a blindfold cockpit test. We did it on the ground, though.Ed, a big picture guy who nivver had a mishap but sometimes like to fondly recall the days of being in the midst of thunderstorm in a light helicopter."Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
Ed,
I think you are on to something there, a crime novel centered around a curmungeonly cabinet maker, a who's done it sort of a thing. There is a great set of 4 books I believe about a cyclist in the Tour Day France that has sold well. Another type of specialty novel, that riders of the black asphault can relate to. No shortage of murder weapons for a cabinet maker, bludgeoning with a Kiwi shiny bit, dimemberment with a 14" Timberwolf bladed band saw. Ohhh the list goes on.
Versions in my head similar to Fargo and the wood chipper,
Or perhaps an old discovery in a cabinet being restored, leading to a historical murder?
I suggest we put lataxe to work in his spare time tween polishing the bits.
Could be amusing?
AZMO
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Lataxe is an excellent writer and would be a fine novelist, were he not allowed to take himself too seriously. If you could combine the writing talent of Lataxe with the ability of Mel to simply produce a whole bunch of words in a short period of time, you could perhaps challenge the novel-writing production team known as "James Patterson."Full disclosure: I am an amateur crime fiction novelist, learning the craft, paying my dues, hoping to be published some day. It's not my main gig, and I greatly enjoy traveling in the summertime, which is perhaps not so good because maybe if I were desperate to make money off my writing, I would perhaps work harder at it. (I have been reading Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers" lately, trying to figure out how to get my 10,000 hours of work in, so that I can be successful. Of course, the act of reading the book itself is probably subtracting from the 10,000 hours).I have a big mess of manuscript that I worked on for 6-7 months in 2007 titled: "The Workshop." It is about not one but two curmudgeonly custom furniture makers who jointly lease a workshop in an old warehouse in Chicago. Their business relationship goes bad when the younger of the two begins to sleep with the daughter of the elder of the two. Throw in a modern Chicago organized crime figure, a zany female landlord who is a concealed carry nut, and an internet romance with a schoolmarm spinster with a wild side, a couple of bumbling stoner dudes (of course), a Chicago Cubs game which plays into the plot structure...and well,... a plot somewhat influenced by "The Big Lebowski" and the Coen Bros. movies,...and there you have it. It is sort of like "Grumpy Old Men" with an edge to it. . Murder, mayhem, attempted murder, and a great conflagration in the end (in addition to an abundance of murder weapons, a modern shop typically contains large amounts of flammables and accelerants). The backstory involves how the warehouse was used during the prohibition days in gangland Chicago. Both the main story and the backstory are "solved" by the conflagration in the end and the things that are,...ahem,..."unearthed.".A lot of moving parts but I thought it was a pretty good yarn - one of my New Year's resolutions was to get the thing into some sort of finished shape in 2009. Heck, maybe Taunton could publish it. I know the publishing industry is going to be hurting in the next two years and many parts of it are going to be struggling to survive - maybe Taunton needs a "sure fire bestseller!" Their first fiction! Ha ha ha. Consider this a query letter, Tauntonistas,...I will admit to reading knots many times specifically in order to key off the personalities of some of the posters in order to develop some personality aspects of my two main characters.....a harmless pastime, I think. (Stanford, please don't stop posting in 2009).Take care, Ed "Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
Try out your talents by providing downloads for a modest fee. Have a provisio that those who purchase must provide a critique if you, as author, desire one. Downside is you may be playing to an oddball audience (us Knotheads). I'd be willing to give it a read!
T.Z.
Thanks Tony - I'll throw up a couple offcuts (excerpts) from "The Workshop" for free in the cafe later this spring. Right now I'm working on a completely different novel, I'm writing every day, it's going well, and, just like in baseball, you don't want to mess with a streak.
EH
Ed,
The Cafe!?
Harumph, that sounds too maudlin fer me.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edit: Spelled Harumph wrong. :-)
Edited 1/10/2009 5:15 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
>downloads for a modest fee<I can't read. Can I have an audio book version ?roc
Ed,
I think it's cool that you are working on a novel with a woodworking plotline. I hope you'll establish a franchise, like Dick Francis and his horseracing murder mysteries.
How many books with woodworking protagonists are you aware of?
Right off the bat, I can think of :
Pinocchio heh heh
Adam Bede by George Elliot (I think) whose protagonist is a woodworker.
House, by Tracy Kidder, more a documentary than a novel, but a good read nonetheless, a tale of the relationship between a couple and the carpenters who build their house.
The Carver of 'Lympus can't recall the author, a physically disabled man finds fulfillment in the artistry of woodcarving.
Slightly related:
Freddy, by Gene Stratton Porter, a tale of forestry and the lumber industry
Stewart Edward White wrote The Blazed Trail, and The Rules of the Game, novels centered on the timber/ logging industry in Michigan and California.
In film and tv,there's
The Patriot, with Mel Gibson's character as a bumbling Windsor chair maker.
NCIS, whose boss is perpetually building a boat in his basement.
"Robinson Crusoe," one of my favorite books of all time - Crusoe could be said to be a woodworker.Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying," a great, great book - a tragicomedy that, in it's own way, is kind of a funnier "O Brother Where Art Thou," for those that haven't read it - one of the main characters is a carpenter, and a hard core, no frills hand tool guy, too. Wm Faulkner was an author who was a lifelong woodworker.The characters in Jeff Taylor's "Tools of the Trade" are so well drawn that it reads like great literature. What a great book.Shakespeare, of course, full of references to carpentry.I don't know, Ray - I will think about it more. Good start with your list. I didn't know that about NCIS - I have seen parts of it but not all the way through. I once built two different small boats in garages. And yes, they floated and were more or less seaworthy, sort of,...in a calm bay,...Once again, apologies to the original poster - this thread is somewhere beyond merely "hijacked.""Yes, but what's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak-minded." - Augustus McCrae, Lonesome Dove
Oh just find a thread that has not hijacked anyway. Can you imagine how your story would go if let some of em write a chapter or two?
Your book sounds quite fun, and I do hope you post an excerpt or two. If you ever do get to the point where it more finished, I would suggest sending a script to Poison Pen Press, in Scottsdale Arizona. Barbara Peters has taken many writers to the big leagues, if it is good she would be a wonderful help. She is a tough critic, and reads on the average 10 books a week, when she finds talent, she gets it going.
My favorites are Tony Hillermans books, and 2008 was a sad year with his passing. I own several signed editions, and enjoyed him person a couple of times.
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>Tony Hillermans books, and 2008 was a sad year with his passingI agree on both counts. Since we are highjacking I will recommend the movies made from the books:
Coyote Waits
A Thief of Time
SkinwalkersGood stuff ! We watch them over and over. Morgan, sorry if I posted this to you before.
Ed,
I just remembered one of the characters in one of those Russian novels- Anna Karenina?- there was an old gentleman who did ornamental turning clad in his dressing gown. Long after I read the book, I realised the author must have been impressed by seeing a Holtzapfel lathe and incorporated it into his novel.
Wasn't Hansel and Gretel's dad a woodcutter?
Ray
Ray,
You neglected to mention "Emphyrio" by Jack Vance, a novel set on a planet where there is a strange stratified society, with master craftsmen being exploired by a mercantile oligarchy using various trader and bureaucratic tricks. The main character is the son of a master woodcarver who himself becomes a master, in due course, before having various adventures which expose the dastardly exploitation of the craftsmen and the many nefarious character traits of those involved.
You will be happy to hear that there are a number of sub-plots, including a charming romance, some murdering and exploration of the societal mechanisms at work (a thinly-disguised picture of mercantile exploitation techniques applied throughout our own modern world).
Lataxe
Lataxe,
There is the recently popular medieval pot-boiler (name escapes me) about the building of one of the great British cathedrals, before I got bogged down and dropped the tome, I recall there were carpenters, and carvers, in addition to the requisite flawed priests, and venal politicians.
Ray
Ken Follet was the author, a very fine book for long trips and airplane rides. I found it interesting and had hoped for more construction details. I think Mr. Follet either got confused at times, or just could not describe the actual work, so that I could understand it. It was an engaging tale about medieval times, the economics, trade associations etc. You are right, it would be a hard read to get through around the house!
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"The Pillars of the Earth". A must read for anyone going into politics or the priesthood! <gr>
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Well... I guess politics is out since Rich14 has snatched up the top job in the new administration, and the pay over at St. Swithen's by the Sawmill just doesn't cut it. I may have to continue working on my book: "Tips and Techniques on Mastering the Reverse Miniature Left-Handed Card Scraper"....
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Nazard, Azmo and Mr. Pine.
The original was indeed "The Pillars of the Earth " by Ken Follett @ 2004.
The second in the series is "World Without End" 2007. The ad tease states "On the day after Halloween, in the year 1327, four children slip away from the cathedral city of Kingsbridge. They are a thief, a bully, a boy genius, and a girl who wants to be a doctor. In the forest they see two men killed-----this takes place in the same town two centuries after the building of an exquisite Gothic cathedral and priory that are again at the center of a web of love and hate, greed and pride, ambition and revenge."
The hard copies are true hernia editions and pricey if not on sale but the paper is fine. I also greatly enjoyed the only slightly abridged versions on cd while driving alone hauling my heavy iron to Tenn, from NY, I got tired of my own singing and it's a little like driving with a friend who never complains. ha ha.
A good read never the less. Paddy
Lee Valley sells all the stuff for sharpening scrapers , i recently bought the set & tried it out , works fine
Round burnisher from Veritas. File used for laminate ( has a built in handle not a sharp tang)the handle is a rounded end of the file.A stone, I use a diamond bench stone about 600 grit.
mike
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