I still have to log in each and every time I visit Knots.
Does Fine Woodworking want me as a customer or not? Either fix the problem or shut down the site. It’s been months.
Time to defecate or get off the porcelain throne.
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Oh the horror !!
It makes you actually log in? Where do you find the time? That's 10 seconds a day you will never get back.
Shut down the site? They should be publicly horsewhipped for forcing this indignity on you.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
~ Denis Diderot
I guess I am not very computer savy. But there are other web sites that I log into and I will go for months without having to re-log-in.
So why is there such a longterm problem with this site?
Personally I don't consider having to log into sites a problem.
There is a thread in the magazine feedback section that says they are about to change forum platforms and to please be patient.
I'm all for them taking as long as they need to do it right and preserve the long history that's here.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
I don't know what dgreen said, and I really don't care. I blocked him long ago.
Ummmm do you need to pay to use the BBS? Do you think there is some kind of implied contract that you will never have to fill in your info to log in to the website?? None of your beefs make much sense to me, and i have been doing tech support for 20 years, especially from the people who use the website for free.
Make no mistake, unless someone told you that you could always auto-login to the site (which frankly makes the admin in me shudder, even tho' I do it myself,) I don't understand what everyone is beefing about.Paul
I was going to make a snarky reply, but decided against it.
Have a nice day.
Oh man I felt the same way. Talk about self centered.
Suppose you bought a new car and some minor thing on the car didn't work - let's say the radio controlled key fob that unlocks and locks the car from a distance. Now you have to use your key to lock and unlock the car. Would you figure it was unreasonable to complain to the dealer? I mean it's just a minor inconvenience. The dealer says it might be getting some fresh fobs in stock at some point in the coming months, so there's no use in trying to fix your fob now. Would you expect your friends and neighbors to berated you as unreasonably complaining and self-centered if you mentioned that after the 100th day of having to use your key that it was rather annoying and keeping you from enjoying your car?
Many of us pay FWW for the privilege of using the website content. Do we have a right to expect that we should not have to deal with prolonged failures of basic functions?
"expect you friends------berate you---".
Maybe if the problem wasn't so well known, well documented and WELL COMPLAINED ABOUT ALREADY------! I really don't think another complaint thread is going to get it fixed any sooner (or later).
Regards,
Mack"Close enough for government work=measured with a micrometer, marked with chalk and cut with an axe"
So now the criticism of the OP is that there has already been enough complaining about the issue by others as far as you're concerned. More complaining would only be acceptable if it might hasten the resolution, and you've concluded (based upon who knows what?) that it won't. So because this guy is late with his complaint (in your personal estimation), he deserves to be berated, is that it?
He deserves to be mocked, blown off as unreasonable in his expectations, and accused of being self-centered?
Yeah, everything you said------.
Anyone on this forum can say just about anything they like, but it just seems like beating a dead horse to me.
You conclude (based on who knows what) that more complaining will somehow motivate the folks that run this forum to fix the problem sooner. I conclude otherwise. I am willing to bet that they are dedicated personnel and that further complaining will accomplish absolutely nothing. (How do you like being told what you conclude? Yeah, it sucks and I don't much like it either.)
I would not deny the person the right to complain but would also not deny the right of someone else to SUGGEST that maybe ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! Saying that, IMHO, is not berating, ridiculing or depriving the complainer of his/her rights.
See ya!
Mack
"Close enough for government work=measured with a micrometer, marked with chalk and cut with an axe"
Edited 11/24/2009 10:03 pm ET by Mackwood
I never said that more complaining would do anything. I don't know, but I don't think you do either. It would make sense to me though that Taunton might want to know that it is making customers dissatisfied so that it could do whatever was possible to create goodwill and satisfaction.
What I object to here is the high handed self righteous dismissal of any complaints on this subject as petty, self centered, and all the rest. No one was the least bit friendly or good natured in addressing the OP. Instead of something like:
"Yeah, it's getting old, but the complaints have been registered and Gina tells us that they are doing everything they can to roll out a new platform that will be better than ever and take care of the problem. We're all keeping our fingers crossed that they will complete the move soon as the continuing delay is sure frustrating. Hang in there."
Nope, it had to be a bunch of: "Shut up, you baby" kind of garbage.
Oh, for heaven's sake. The new platform is opening up next week. There have been dozens of posts about (a) the log-in problem and (b) the new platform. The techies are working their a**es off getting the new forum ready to launch. Do you REALLY think they need to take time out to fix this log-in problem that will go "poof" when the changeover happens? Hardly a priority, IMHO. [edited to note: it could be that it would take Mzinga techs to fix the problem, and guaranteed if it does, they ain't gonna do it for a customer who's severed their $$relationship$$ For those who don't know, Mzinga produces the current platform for Taunton forums]
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 11/26/2009 9:31 pm by forestgirl
My suggestion... just remove the 'feature'. Then there would be nothing to complain about.
I wouldn't expect them to do anything, with the planned launch date on Monday for the new platform, and a boat-load of L-tryptophan docking tomorrow with the turkey.
How 'bout we all just be thankful there's such a valuable resource available at our fingertips, free of charge (Yes, free -- Knots doesn't cost us a dime), and mellow out so we have energy left for next week's adventure? Just a thought.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Sounds like a good plan.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Aw come on now. I find it a little annoying to have to sign in so now I'm going to my room and sulk. Rant. Rant. Rave. Rave. All next week when the new system is in effect you'll be thinking about those extra pounds and be sorry you didn't sulk with me. You'll suffer through Thanksgiving and an extended weekend when we could all be sulking.
Best wishes all
Edited 11/25/2009 8:54 pm ET by Tinkerer3
Agreed, I was just joking.Knots is the best.
FG,I went to the supermarket today and my space by the front door was taken, again. For months now that space has not been unavailable to me a paying customer, I had to park three cars away...that is additional 20ft. walking each way. Let's close the supermarket down.
Edited 11/25/2009 3:01 pm ET by BG
Amen, brother.
Samson,
Just had another thought on this whole thang. Are some of us lumping Knots into the paid for parts of the WEBsite. And are we thinking that in some way we are being ripped off because the login function doesn't work, like it did for so long? Maybe just subliminally (sp?) perhaps?
I think everyone has a different tolerance level for pain, guess mine is a lot higher than others. Yes I do empathize with them. But I do know what I would do if it bothered that much.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
"Suppose you bought a new car and some minor..." This isn't a car, it is service provided freely to anyone who want to sign up and accept the terms of service. "What I object to here is the high handed self righteous dismissal of any complaints on this subject as petty, self centered, and all the rest. No one was the least bit friendly or good natured in addressing the OP."You really should to go back to the OP's professional, well thought out documentation of his issues and suggestions for remediation. "Either fix the problem or shut down the site.."If you want to yap at Taunton, there are other ways to communicate directly, not through Knots.
If you want to take on the Knots community with a fix or shut down mentality, then you had better have a good respirator because the dust is going to fly and the community will circle the wagonsBut then my physical, spiritual and financial well being is not tied to the road to knowledge, but rather to the knowledge itself.This is a great forum but man, all to often some well meaning "customer" get a sliver of self importance (bad articles, excessive logins...) somewhere bad and thinks the world should stop. It won't, nor should it. Get over it.Don
Many people are happy to let businesses and corporations walk over them. They allow themselves to accept substandard service and getting less than they pay for. If you are that kind of person, then fine, enjoy yourself.
Others believe there is a contract for good service when someone accepts their money
I imagine that when you buy a tool you expect it to work and function correctly. Why would expect a website, that you pay to access, to be any different?
As another poster said,have a nice day.
I think it is not necessary to close the forum to all because of a click.....
For you it's only a "click??"
I have to type in my whole e-mail address and password every time. One fat fingered missed key (which I have all the time) and I have to do it again - more carefully. I'm not saying it's heavy lifting, or anything that merits shutting down the site, but it is annoying and gets damn old.
Edited 11/24/2009 2:30 pm ET by Samson
Samson, I am disappointed in you-you missed the play on words, albeit a bit remote....
But you say you have to type in the info every time-you mean that if you wait a few seconds it doesn't come up with the invitation to click on the "sign in" thing?
Sometimes mine opens up immediately, other times I have to log in by one click on the "sign in" thing.Philip Marcou
48850.13 in reply to 48850.12 "For you it's only a "click??"I have to type in my whole e-mail address and password every time. One fat fingered missed key (which I have all the time) and I have to do it again - more carefully. I'm not saying it's heavy lifting, or anything that merits shutting down the site, but it is annoying and gets damn old."That sounds like a browser setting to me.
Paul,
You bring up several good points. I've experienced these situations many times over the years and it's not an easy decision to make regarding what to fix as opposed to what needs to be fixed; or what will be resolved with a new platform.
And the funniest comment is about fat fingering an email/password. That has to be a bug in Knots, right?! Browser settings? Yeah mean that Knots isn't supposed to fix those too!?
Good grief, Knots is free.
I have removed my gavel for this post so as to provide full disclosure about my feelings regarding this Problem.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Glad you found it humorous, Bob. I think you are misunderstanding me if you thought I was blaming Tanuton for my typing skills. I was merely pointing out how minor inconveniences can become really annoying frustrations.
You apologists for this crap are tiresome. But for the broken function, none of these problems you've diagnosed - browser settings now, is it? - would be at issue. But hell no, better to just belittle anyone who has says boo about this lingering malfunction. No wonder they gave you a gavel. You probably get a free subscription too. Yeah, you're really impartial (removing your gavel for a posting doesn't remove your bias).
I dunno about you, but I pay Taunton money for a subscription and for FWW.com. The fact that FWW allows some people partial access for free in hopes of wooing them as customers, doesn't mean that for those "free" parts can be any ol' thing Taunton wants to offer, at least not if they want to keep their already paying customers happy.
Let's hope this becomes moot by next week.
Samson,
Yeah, you're really impartial (removing your gavel for a posting doesn't remove your bias).
Uh, the problem doesn't exist for me. I get in free and don't havta type a dang thang. It's part of the benefit package! Do you have any idea how much time that saves me? All I gotta do is turn on the puter, say, "Knots" and voila, I'm here.
That and the $1,479,672 they pay me each year. And I get that neat hammer to tap my plane irons with. Gotta love it.
Who's biased to the max,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
HmmmmI had to log in tonight, and I'm so upset, I can barely type out this message.Paul
Bob,
Hey, I have the deluxe version too! I don't know why everyone doesn't just sign up for the Extreme Package. It's so nice to get all the free books and plans in the mail, and never have to log-in, and free tools to test. And the tool specials! Wowie zowie! 78% off wholesale!
Do you still have to pay shipping, Bob? I hope they get that fixed pretty soon.
Happy Thanksgiving!
--jonnieboy
"The fact that FWW allows some people partial access for free in hopes of wooing them as customers, doesn't mean that for those "free" parts can be any ol' thing Taunton wants to offer, at least not if they want to keep their already paying customers happy." Tilt!
Anyone and everyone can get the 14-day trial period (or however many days it is)
Nobody pays for participating in the forums (Knots, Breaktime, etc.)
"...how minor inconveniences can become really annoying frustrations." IMHO, one chooses to be "really annoyed". In a different thread, someone used the analogy of not changing the oil when the car was on it's way to the car-crusher. Pretty apropo, methinks. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Not surprisingly, I don't think you ever understood my points in this thread. I am not trying to defend unreasonable complaints (but there is the rub, right? what is reasonable?) or argue that Taunton should fix a forum it is about to replace, assuming that the fix is actually difficult or costly or the change over imminent (mind you, I'm pretty sure the OP posted before Gina announced that the roll out was finally occurring).
No, what I have objected to in this thread is the attitude and behavior of other Knot heads (not to mention the moderators like Bob and you) who refuse to allow that others might be genuinely and legitimately frustrated. Instead, you all not only invalidate the complaint as illegitmate in your own estimations, but go on to gleefully mock and disrespect anyone who has the termerity to actually think the broken function is a complaint-worthy problem. This disrespect is actually the focus of my posts in this thread. I have tried to suggest why some may find the broken function legitmately annoying. None of you will even allow that the complaint might be reasonable or that someone might have valid feelings of frustration (I now understand that in your opinion, people choose their emotions), but what's worse, so many have gone on from there to affirmatively be jerks. It's all rather immature - the kind of stuff adolescents do to one another. In that respect this is a sad thread in that it shows that Knots has not managed to attract a community any different than that in society at large. Oh well.
Edited 11/26/2009 2:04 pm ET by Samson
Well said, sir.
I never expected to release the torrent of vitriol that followed, what I think, was a legitimate post. I have noticed a general decline in civility on this board. This, along with the overall decline of Fine Woodworking Magazine, is causing me to re-think my support of both.
There are many other forums, as well as lots of books in the library, where woodworking advice/technique is available, without the personal attacks.
Maybe Fine Woodworking and Knots have had their day.
<<Maybe Fine Woodworking and Knots have had their day.>>And a fine day it is indeed for the rest of us. I wish you well in your quest for perfection.Cheers,Peter(who is content)
I thought you would enjoy these two quotes about your fellow tete carres.
The cold narrow minds, the confined ideas, the by-gone prejudices of the society are hardly conceivable; books there are none, nor music, and as to pictures! the Lord deliver us from such! The people do not know what a picture is. Anna Jameson, Canadian writer
How utterly destitute of all light and charm are the intellectual conditions of our people and the institutions of our public life! How barbarous! Archibald Lampman, Canadian writer
Have a nice day.Cheers,Peter(who is happy and content)edit: don't bother posting to me anymore..you are on ignore. Whew!
Edited 11/26/2009 10:58 pm by PeterDurand
Now I bet it's going to be at least tomorrow before they get the log in fixed...
Wow it was lucky I was prowling around I would have never seen another reply to me. ( in another thread ) I am putting what I said there here because it mostly applies to this thread even though I needed to be sure the poster to me saw it first in the other thread.I am not getting notices from FWW Knots when a response is posted to me. I used to get them all the time.People complain about logging in. I am mixed on that one. So I have remained quiet. A rare thing. I realize the new world is just days away.Probably to put away any expectations they should remove the check box that supposedly logs us in automatically.Not getting notices from FWW Knots when a response is posted to me makes it look like I am blowing off some one when I don't even realize they are sending up a flare. I admit that it hurts when some one supposedly blows me off, especially when I asked a serious question about a specifically pertinent part of their post to me. People will be people. Flawed sites will be as well.I will be glad when THE BIG CHANGE comes.Some body said quit whining that they have to log in twenty times a day at work. I was thinking " well that seems reasonable" but I now realize my email and my pin here are a lot more complex to type than my pin at work.Is there any thing I can do to get my Knots mail or am I being told " here's your hat what's your hurry " ?rocPS: sorry that is convoluted . . . a few glasses of wine and a full cargo hold . . . you understand.Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )Edited 11/26/2009 6:55 pm by roc <!-- ROC2013 -->
Edited 11/26/2009 6:57 pm by roc
Roc, if you depend on those notices, it's a drag you're not getting them! There's an alternative, though, that would get you through the next few days (we hope "few") -- after you log in, select "Unread Messages to Me" from the "Show Discussions" list. That'll get you to the threads that have messages to you that you've not seen yet.
Note that it can be glitchy though.....go back and double-check if you post a reply and the list goes back to the big list of Unread Discussions.
Sounds like you had a good T.G.!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
>There's an alternative. . . select "Unread Messages to Me" from the "Show Discussions" list. <That's brilliant ! Thanks. I never explored that list.>Sounds like you had a good T.G.!<Oh Yes. I didn't over do. Too far. Finally learning not to. I was such a chow hound when I was young. I am SO thankful to have enough of what I need and so much that I enjoy.So many don't. What can I say beyond that.Thank You for info.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Northhouguy is complaining about the “general decline in civility on this board “. It’s ironic that he is the source of it. In his response to my post, he called me a liar (that sounds like a bs story to me) my friend a racist (Or was it because of their skin color) and said (you come off as strupid and ignorant) (Note: The misspelling of stupid was his error, not mine) .<!----><!----><!---->
Too bad you blocked me. You might realize that civility is a two way street. I do have to thank you for one thing; misspelling “stupid” did make me laugh!<!----><!---->
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I can't believe this thread is still going on...
Hi GuysWish I had some of your logon problems here. I am fortunate to have 'narrowband' over what is not far removed from the top wire of a fence. When I have the logon screen I am overjoyed. Makes a wonderful change from "connection interupted" screens. I don't have a problem, well I do actually, our very snowy TV channel has been broken for 7 months and finally looks like it may be fixed next June, so I will continue to logon happily. Can we get back to some worthwhile (happy, happy) posts.And to all you folks way up there, (apologies to Rowan & Martin) "May the bluebird of happiness cr*p on your Turkey Time turkey.wotI started out with nothing...and I still have most of it left!
Samson,
If I showed disrespect to anyone about the frustration of logging in then I will apologize to everyone - it certainly wasn't meant in a disrespectful way. I've been on Knots for quite some time now and I don't recall at any time being disrespectful to anyone, especially you.
My take on the login issue is that it did annoy me at first but I guess I have gotten used to it and it really doesn't bother me all that much anymore. I feel bad for those that this login thing is causing discomfort to but there isn't anything I can do about it. I have offered several suggestions to Taunton via email though.
Another thing to keep in mind is that we (you and I for example) are dealing with a whole bunch of variables that even Taunton has no control over. Case in point: I flushed all the cookies on my 'puter at one time during this problem and it worked again, for several days, and then went back to being broke again.
Do you have any idea how many computers you traverse to get into Knots from your computer? And that can change with every login. Anything can be fettled to work right but, kinda like handplanes, some just aren't worth fixing.
Am I to be denied my feelings about the login issue?
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I dunno what it is, Bob. Do what you like, this is a tempest in a teapot as far as I'm concerned.
Personally, like you, I was mildly annoyed in the first week or so of this, but have gotten used to it - I can type my e-mail and password very fast now. That said, I can sympathize with people who might have longer and more complex e-mail addresses or passwords, too many passwords to remember, and on and on, for whom it might be even more annoying. I remember poor Will George expressing exasperation, and feeling for the guy. I can also imagine the OP being in these shoes. I can empathize enough to let them vent without telling them they aren't entitled to be frustrated or making fun of them.
I understand Taunton's position, though I think they ought to have been a bit more forthcoming about why fixing this was more than 30 minutes work for some competent programmer. It has been weeks and weeks.
One bright spot is that I now can easily identify who to block. No big losses though, as I don't recognize one as ever posting anything about woodworking that was interesting or useful to me.
Peace on Earth and Goodwill toward men.
"...a whole bunch of variables that even Taunton has no control over. " Important point, Bob, thanks for making it. One of the most important advantages of the new platform is that Taunton's tech staff will have much more control and ownership over the data, the program and how things are handled. I have no idea whether it takes Mzinga action to fix the log-in problem, but if it does, I don't see them hurrying to do it for a client who's just snapped their wallet closed.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I think you are too tense: get a grip (;)Philip Marcou
Philip,
Ah, relativity.
Are them cookie-frustrated lads too tense or are we stoics too loose? Only the mythical Great Arbiter will be able to make the correct benchmarks concerning the matter; but we are not allowed to see these marks of course. Therefore the hot-headed and contentious pieties concerning the correct dogmas on login cookies will have to continue. Soon the sects will form and there will be burnings - or even fervent pressing of the ignore button!
A storm in a teacup. But who is that with his cheeks puffed out and blowing madly into the china? Soon the tea will move from hot through lukewarm to stone-cold. Also, the tea is slopping into the saucer. This is sure to spoil the purfek enjoyment of one's cookie as the splashes will be making it soggy.
Lataxe, a mudlark in a lovely muddy wallow (splosh ssssplosh).
PS Do you think we need to go to one o' them self-esteem classes they have over there? We seem to lack the korrect degree of self-importance and customer demandibilitatiousness.
I'm over it.
I would mention that I've known mudlarks to chafe at disrespect and crowds of bully boys kicking at victims:
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=45993.142
So I will claim temporary insanity and an overactive unrealistic expectations gland.
Sean,
I offers my differentiation-of-poking scheme:
Level 0 - no poking.
Level 1 - good-natured teasing.
Level 2 - mild snorts of incredulity with an option to eventually agree when undertanding arrives.
Level 3 - plain snorts of incredulity with a tinge of derision for the meme expressed (not the person uttering it).
Level 4 - cries of "mad-bloke" (requires multitudinous and repeated crazy-statements by the bloke in question).
Level 5 - ignore button, reserved for only those who indulge in vile character assassinations; and is preceded by a hoot of protest.
Now, it is an interesting question as to whether Level 5 or even Level 4 might themselves be construed as bullying. The general question is, when does a poke at a wild poster move from a legitimate protest at the views expressed to an attempt to merely browbeat the fellow?
Of course it's all relative. Very sensitive chaps and self-esteeming solipsists will interpret any gainsaying of their opinion as unjust and unwarranted.
Lataxe. who has only ever issued one Level 5 (still in force).
"I'm over it."
Right on, Samson.
--jonnieboy
Samson,
Do us all a favor ask for a refund & find a different web site that you are happy with. I'm sure if you can not obtain a refund, there is bound to be a Local College that would be glad to accept your remaining isssues of FWW. You prove to me that you made the donation. I will gladly pay you a prorated amount for the balance of your subscription. I am sick of hearing how hard your life is. I feel sorry for you if you ever come across something in your life that really is tough.
You need too learn how to not sweat the small things in Life.
Taigert
Philip,
One day the world will be purfek, with every click in place and at the right moment. (No it won't).
However, if such purfekshun should come to pass I will feel moved to complain, as there will nothing to complain about! This is paradoxia, a dangerous state of being as who knows what the resolution will be? (Paradoxii must be resolved reet-quick or anti-matter forms and everything is anihilated in a backwards explosion, a sort of Big Suck).
This business of having to type one's security details rather than have them usefully available to all and sundry may result, butterfly wing-like, in a meta-tsunami of new mind-habits or even two non-habitual thoughts occuring in certain heads! Yikes!!
Lataxe, shuffling events into hierarchies of importance but not yet noticing any undue wear on his finger tips so consigning the issue of crap-cookies to the bottom of the list.
You ever read Nathaniel Hawthorne? You write alot like he does. I always have to read his words twice and then I'm still not sure if I understand the true meaning of his prose.
Mr Dawg,
I did read Nathaniel when at skool but not since, so its 45 years ago now. Perhaps this is the time to get one o' those ebook readers that often come with endless free books of the "classic" genre, so I can revisit those set-books from skool that were often obscure to us callow yoofs but which may now reveal their wisdom to an older head?
As to the need to read my more orthogonal postings twice or more; well, when one extracts the micturate from pompous and sensitive fellows it is better to avoid direct confrontations and harsh words, as the adamantine-ones only become redder-faced and even more puffed-up. Instead, I hope that sly memes concerning the benefits of critical introspection along with some anti-pomp humour will creep into their minds via the side door.
I know, not much hope of that in the Land of Me.
Lataxe the circumloquacious.
Sorry to hear that you are having a tough time.
Speaking of tough...
Just talked to a friend today that had lost his job a few months ago. His wife had lost her job a few months before that. He's working two part time jobs and he's close to losing his house. They went to the government center to see if she qualifies for state health coverage. Thier income was too high. While standing in line, a Caddillac stopped outside the building. A pimp was dropping off a couple "Ho's". Apparently they wanted the state to pay for their healthcare. (I'm guessing they qualified)
You may wonder how my friend was feeling. Well, to his credit, he was as cheery as ever. He wasn't bitter and didn't blame someone else for his situation.
If you don't want to log in, then don't. Maybe you can ask for your money back. I used to crab about the log in issues too, but I realized that it's not that big of a deal. Hell, at work I probably have to log into various systems 20 times a day.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
Good luck,
Bill
Bill that sounds like a bs story to me. How did your "friend" know it was a pimp and some "hos". Or was it because of their skin color? Perhaps they were Iraq vets that couldn't get treatment at the VA. Did your "cherry" friend ever think of that?
You don't like me, that's fine. But you come off as strupid and ignorant. And now, you're blocked.
Good luck to you.
Mac OS X Version 10.5.8 Safari Version 4.0.2. The site works fine.
There were a few days when everything seemed a bit confused, but in my opinion, any login issues were minor compared to the overall value of the site, not withstanding BS threads like this.
If there were a time for Maxwell's Silver Hammer to strike it is now!
Don
It will happen some day maybe !?!?!
http://xrl.in/3wo5
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
When your ship comes in... make sure you are not at the airport.
Edited 11/30/2009 8:02 am ET by JerryPacMan
Edited 12/1/2009 12:46 pm ET by JerryPacMan
Thanks for the link. let's see what happens when the clock strikes zero...
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