Why do North American’s pronounce solder as sarder?
After years of wondering what sardering could possibly be, I’ve been watching the US Antiques Road Show on TV, and put 2 and 2 together. It’s soldering (sol_der, 2 sylabols. Sylables? Now I’m confused).
Apologies if the question is culturally offensive!
Malcolm
Edited 10/2/2005 3:55 am ET by Malcolm
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Not sure.
I would bet it is like any other word we learn. We heard it pronounced by another and say it that way?
culturally offensive! Geee.. If that is we are all in big trouble.. LOL...
EDIT:: Electrical Engineer from Chicago I call it SOD ER...
Edited 10/2/2005 9:58 am ET by WillGeorge
In my school shop I would be happy if students could just solder (silent "l", don't add an "r" and there are no "a's"). Forget spelling, syllables or pronunciation or even literacy.
< would be happy if students could just ... >
I'd be happy if I could as well!
Did it once, I think, at high school - have never owned a soldering iron, however. Yet another really useful skill missing from my inventory.
Cheers
Malcolm
tomato
potato
all regional/national pronunciation
Why do some call a Rabbet a Rebate?
It's easier to pronounce than the other way! Besides, if we say it one way long enough, it will become the right way! Ain't the English language marvelous yawl !!!!
Kinda like Boston and Baaston.
PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)
PlaneWood
Most don't. It must have been a strange person on the show.
Just this week I saw on one of the building shows a salesman from down South somewhere kept pronouncing rubble as rooble, like kangarooble.
Worse than that is when the hosts of a show use the wrong word altogether, so you know they are as ignorant of the topic as they first appear to be. They'll call, for example, a column a beam, or a freestanding brick structure a pilaster, or an outlet a plug, or a course of masonry a layer or a row.
Hi Malcolm,Your inquiry isn't offensive in the least. Growing up in the Bronx, [New York] I learned it as "sottering", or "sotter".Y'know, I have been wondering for years why the spelling is so discordant from the pronounciation. I, for one, am glad you asked.All the best.KenKen Werner
Isn't it interesting how different two cultures can be?
I watch This Old House, and the TOH repair and maintenance programme (Ask This Old House) and am fascinated by how different trade issues are in the US.
ATOH solves everyday household problems quite differently than a New Zealand tradesman would - different fittings, different tools, different standards ... and differfent words for the things that are the same. Sotter!
Malcolm
And then you get Route 66 pronounced Rowt 66-does this person then refer to a router (rowter) as a Rooter? If he did that in Australia or N.Z there would be a degree of mirth evident in some folk.
Personally I think soulderring to be a useful thing to know about for any woodworker.Philip Marcou
> I think soulderring to be a useful thing to know about for any woodworker <
Agreed, Philip. I forgot about routering. For our friends in the north, here we would say root 66, but the ww machine is a rowter, and rowt 66 would lead to some puzzled looks.
What's acceptable has just taken a giant leap forward in polite company in this country. There's a famous TV ad that features the swear word bugger - repeated a number of times, including by a muddy dog and a farmers wife, and there's a current ad that talks about a 'ute [you] can't root', which means a small truck that is so tough it can't be trashed.
And we won't mention the new Toyota (?) ad that features 2 bulls, some cows, lots of clever allusions to famous ads of the past, and the word 'sheep s**gger'.
Most people secretly enjoy these edgy ads - the words are part of our culture!
Malcolm
The Toyota one is a classic-makes up for that HarveyNorman turkey who has even now invaded some satellite tv programmes.
How come you have mutated to Malcolm2 ?-or are you not Malcolm of Otago, Sire?Philip Marcou
Though the different dialects in the USA are somewhat getting blurred due to mass transit and mass communication, one with a practiced ear can still pin someone down to a pretty small area. I can generally tell the difference from someone born and raised in central Okla from someone raised in central Texas. Then of course there is always Minnesota. I've watched the movie Fargo many times and still laugh as much each time. Love that damn movie!!
I asked a guy once if he was from central Oregon. He wanted to know how I knew that and I replied that he sounded like an Okie that had lived in Seattle for a long time. (Okie = Oklahoma)
PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)PlaneWood
Malcolm2 = logged-on at work! Seperate identity for knots
M
'sheep s**gger'.
In American venicular, to shag is to fetch or chase after.
I was at a water park with a freind from the UK and we were talking about kids, I mentiond that my kids loved the water park and I had to shag them out of the place. Needles to say my freind about dropped to the ground in horror, until I explained the above.
Language is indeed a funny thing.
Edited 10/3/2005 1:51 pm ET by Scarecrow
Nothing in English is spelt right!
<Why do North American's pronounce solder as sarder?>
Ha, probably the same reason Southern hemispherers say aluminIUM. Actually, I am originally from Chicago and I am astounded by the range of pronounciations for the same words in the US. And if you add in Canada then the language is unrecognizable in some parts to other parts of the same continent. Just like WillGeorge I say SOD ER too......must be a regional thing......... aloha, mike
> Southern hemispherers say aluminIUM <
... because that's how we spell it! And colour, plough, programme .... although most sound the same.
Fun, eh!
Malcolmhttp://www.macpherson.co.nz
Nobody knows why any of this happens, but it can get pretty funny. When Joyce came out with his classic book on furniture making, he had me in stitches over terms like "ironmongers" etc., and the unforgettable -
"...throw a cramp across the carcase cheeks..."
What's a little "sodder" between friends?
DR
LMAO !Philip Marcou
For the same reason they call a roof-- ruf--,top--tap--,you must be watching the same TV programs that come from New Englandas as I do (no offence,observed from Canada EH!)
When all else fails, read the directions, i.e. the dictionary:Main Entry: 1sol·der
Pronunciation: 'sä-d&r, 'so-, British also 'säl-d&r, 'sOl-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English soudure, from Middle French, from souder to solder, from Latin solidare to make solid, from solidus solid
1 : a metal or metallic alloy used when melted to join metallic surfaces; especially : an alloy of lead and tin so used
2 : something that unites What a complicated language we have. Phew! Don't try spell check on this one.Roy
try this site:
http://www.word-detective.com/
really fun on a cold day
Yah mean sawdah?
Kent, Native New Yawkah. Gotta probbem widdat?
Kent: Don't know how to spell them but growing up in Brooklyn we used some colorfull ''words'' like:
Soda=soder
Bought=bort
Also had some cousins from New Hampshire, they talked funny too. Having lived in California now for 35 years I have learned to pronounce ''properly'' but the vocabulary here has some unusual words.
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