I made a patio table out of quartersawn white oak and finished it with Epifanes marine varnish (FWW’s top choice), following the directions carefully and putting on 7 (!) coats. Surely, I thought, the table wouldn’t need to be redone for at least 3 years (it stays outside during spring, summer and fall and is under an open umbrella). But after one year I’m getting a decent amount of black marks that may be mildew but doesn’t come off with soap and water and mild abrasive pad. Any suggestions on taking care of this problem? Is one issue that I didn’t fill the grain before putting on the finish?
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Bleach. Surely it isn't under the finish.
I know bleach kills mildew but what does it do to the varnish?
How is the surface of the varnish? Still glossy, unbroken, not crazed? Does the black appear to be on the surface, or under the varnish on the wood? Any chance for a picture?
Bleach should have no effect on the varnish, certainly not for the relatively brief period you will leave it on. Mildew kills varnish. But on a solid, unbroken varnish surface I'd be surprised that mildew wouldn't scrub off, even without bleach.
Edited 9/16/2009 8:32 am ET by SteveSchoene
"Bleach should have no effect on the varnish, certainly not for the relatively brief period you will leave it on." What concentration would you recommend, Steve? I'm assuming not full strength?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I've general approached such things very scientifically, the few times I've had to do it. I put some water in a plastic bucket, then I pour in a few good glugs of bleach. I usually ruin a T-shirt (or rather, I convert it for wear while finishing).
OK, Steve, got it! Seriously, though, I sometimes have visions of someone pouring it on straight. Not! Doesn't take much to kill what ails, LOL.
BTW, I start with the same finely-tuned proportional measurements that you do. But I modify slightly depending on the alignment of the stars and the phase of the moon.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 9/17/2009 10:31 pm by forestgirl
If forced to give an answer I generally quote 1:10 or 1:12 fresh Clorox to water. Say it authoritatively and walk away.Howie.........
Most sources say that one part bleach to three parts water with a dash of soap to act as a wetting agent. This is what I use all summer as black mildew forms on my white painted tables on our deck. I have used it for years with no problems on the painted surfaces. I also do my deck in spots where the black or greem mold starts to form on the deck surfaces.
Edited 9/19/2009 7:35 pm ET by mrbird90
I have been known to just put some bleach on a cloth and wipe away! ;o)Gretchen
I finally got to dealing with mildew issue and tried bleach in various diluted amounts, and even at 100% bleach the mildew remained--although it's much lighter in color. Any ideas about something stronger?
Try milk. It works on plants with powdery mildew.
The bleach has undoubtedly killed the mildew, but you will still have to scrub off the "dirt" that it creates. A stiff brush, and a drop or two of liquid dishwashing soap just to break the surface tension of the water.
I have a silly question .... Did you seal the bottoms of the legs? The mildew could be coming up through the end grain. If so, you may have to put your bleach water into cups and soak the bottoms of the legs in it for a while. Then, of course, let it dry forever before you seal them up. I've had to do that repair a couple of times over the years. Sometimes people forget that when they are doing outside furniture. Heat lamps will dry out the legs after a couple of days, just turn the piece upside down so the heat will carry the moisture out of the wood and not deeper into it.
not a silly question but in fact I did seal the leg bottoms. I also attached plastic cups or protectors on the leg bottoms so the table is raised about 1/4" from the patio and won't sit in any rainwater. In any case, the mildew is only on the table top.
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