Hi John,
Your experience with machines old and new makes you Prime Candidate no.1 for this question – thanks!
I run a (mostly) one man shop designing and making furniture, and after some years of using a minimax 16″ jointer-planer I’d really like a dedicated planer in the 20-22″ range, though conceivably down to 15″ if budget dictates.
The duty cycle demand is low by factory standards (single person shop, significant hand tool work, a College of the Redwoods sensibility if not necessarily style); 4-5 hours of actual planing in a week would be quite a bit. However, the finish requirement is high – excellent parallelism, very low snipe, handle figured woods with least possible tearout. And the materials planed can be quite demanding as well, from the usual small parts to considerable planks of 8/4 and 12/4 in both domestic and exotic species, with a few (usually domestic) right up to the width capacity of even a 22″. Naturally whatever size I get won’t be big enough for the next board I purchase, but that can’t be helped;-).
I’ve had excellent experience in a shop with a Byrd Shelix equipped Powermatic 180, but that looks to be a >$6500 investment out here in Oregon, a daunting prospect at this point. Other old iron (e.g. Yates J-180, Oliver 399, Parks 20″etc.) can sometimes be had for a very modest cost and potentially upgraded with a Shelix for a classic workhorse, but the time and resources for restoration and upgrade are a bit of a wild card (e.g. scouring OWWM for parts, custom work from Byrd for the YA-180), I don’t know from experience whether they work well with dust collection systems, and of course they are a pain if you want to move them. I have 3 phase for a Yates bandsaw, so that issue at least is not the end of the world.
Shifting to modern machines, something like the Powermatic 209HH (Taiwanese 20″ w/Byrd) seems like a candidate, but I don’t have enough experience with them to judge whether they can be tuned to perfection and perform well over the long haul. Obviously visual inspection does not inspire the sort of confidence that classic vintage machines do, but I’m not religious about old iron–if a modern item will do the job well, it’s somewhat less expensive, comes equipped with a good cutter and dust collection, is relatively easy to move, and has long tables which offer some convenience.
Based on this description, do you think the Powermatic/Jet/Delta/ShopFox/SteelCity/Grizzlies of the world up to this task, or is old iron the once and future king? I don’t mind taking light passes at all, but when I need to plane the odd 100lb plank for a table top I don’t want the planer to fall out of adjustment after a few passes or have a nervous breakdown and start smoking.
Thanks a bunch,
Pat Megowan
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Pat,
If you know how to judge the condition of an old machine, so that you buy a good one, and if you don't mind putting a fair amount of time and effort just into getting it into your shop, they can be a great choice. If you have to track down parts and overhaul the machine then it isn't worth buying unless machine rebuilding is your hobby and you can take months getting it up and running.
The cost and labor involved in installing a custom Shelix head into an old machine probably doesn't make economic sense, you would be better off buying a new machine.
I have found that the Asian versions of these old industrial weight machines are almost always well made, they don't try to skimp on the construction to save money the way they do for home shop sized machines. There are probably only a couple of factories actually making the machines, they just paint them different colors and juggle the switches and accessories to make them look different.
Because they are all basically the same, just shop for the best deal from an established large importer. I've seen the same machine, identical except for the paint color and decals, sell for hundreds of dollars of difference in the price.
John White
Hi John,
Thank you very much for the perspective. As interesting as restoration looks, the priority is to stay focused on building furniture, so a modern machine is probably called for.
I'm unclear about one critical detail in your answer: in your reckoning does a planer like the Powermatic 209 (and it's numerous 4 poster 20" cousins) fit in the home shop category or the industrial category?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a unit like the PM 201 or Oliver 4455 (22", segmented infeed roller, gibbed ways, 1300+ lbs, etc.) clearly have industrial lineage, while the lunchboxes are clearly home oriented, but I'm just not sure which direction the ubiquitous 20" four posters tend towards.
Thanks again,
Pat
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