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   roc | Aug 04, 2009 04:30am | #1

   ?

   PS: ?

   roc

   Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 04:38am | #2

   Could you repeat your question please?

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   roc | Aug 04, 2009 08:13am | #9

   >Could you repeat your question please?<I was just wondering what response you had hoped to get from us wood dudes.I don't want to come off too snotty but you bought something you said you don't need.
   It cost hundreds of dollars. I am thinking " why would you buy something you don't need "It's main use is on stuck bolts/nuts on machinery not woodworking ( yes I realize people are using the light duty version to drive screws ). "Why is he putting this in the woodworking forum rather than say this one:"http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741476At least it got people talking.And yes lov child I was thinking ~$200 sounds like about the right price $600 being fantastically optimistic on the part of the retailer.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 08:20am | #11

   Ah so would tell me where I should post,also what to buy,I await further instructions.

    

   Like you say,not too snotty.

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   roc | Aug 04, 2009 09:48am | #17

   Well . . . I stand by my original response?PS: ?rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 10:04am | #18

   Good on you.

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   flairwoodworks | Aug 04, 2009 09:30am | #14

   Aw, c'mon Roc. Have you never bought something that you don't need right away? I have no doubt that the OP will find lots of use for it, especially once he starts using it. I bought a Leigh jig a few years back and didn't use it for years, and now, years later, I've only used it twice.I hope you were just being silly with your mechanic analogy.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)

    - Success is not the key to happiness.  Happiness is the key to success.  If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer

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   roc | Aug 04, 2009 09:46am | #16

   >mechanic analogy<I am a mechanic. I would never use an impact to drive cheep wood lags. Just asking to snap the head off one. Impact is for loosening stuck bolts. Not for driving.Do as you like.And no, every purchase is agonized over to the 'nth degree.: )You know me by now.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   flairwoodworks | Aug 04, 2009 04:04pm | #21

   Roc,For the record, I've never snapped of the head of a bolt or screw when using my impact driver. The only time I've ever done so was when experimenting, seeing what would happen if I tried to drive a 2" screw into Bubinga with no predrill.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)

    - Success is not the key to happiness.  Happiness is the key to success.  If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer

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   MikeHennessy | Aug 04, 2009 02:00pm | #19

   "It's main use is on stuck bolts/nuts on machinery not woodworking"

   Au contraire, mon frere. It's one of the most used tools in my shop for driving fasteners of all ilk. In fact, I have two -- in addition to the big one that's used on stuck bolts/nuts on machinery.

   I'd bet a dollar that Cicero will find that, although he didn't "need" it (after all, few of us really "need" most of the tools we own), he'll be getting more than his money's worth out of it.Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PAEverything fits, until you put glue on it.

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   gofigure57 | Aug 04, 2009 03:18pm | #20

   It's main use is on stuck bolts/nuts on machinery not woodworking"  

   And a drill is for drilling holes,  not driving screws home , I believe it is the fault of the drywallers Roc. I remember  the period in time before the advent of the Cordless drill.   Screw guns found their way into cab-shops, hence the  fast demise of the Yankee screw driver.  

   Foither more  who bent or broke the tips off my slot screw  pry- drivers.

   I love my  impact driver and Cicero probably will as well.

   Tom

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   forestgirl | Aug 04, 2009 07:52pm | #22

   Roc, methinks you have a very narrow view of the benefits of an impact driver.  Makita didn't make these to substitute for the rat-a-tat-tat tools you use on a car.

   And yes, it was pretty snotty.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   flairwoodworks | Aug 04, 2009 07:05am | #3

   I think Roc is trying to say that it doesn't sound like such a good deal.
   http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-WH18DMR-18-Volt-Ni-Cad-Cordless/dp/B0009MGOVS

   EDIT: I noticed your location afterwards, but still...

   Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com
   and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)

    - Success is not the key to happiness.  Happiness is the key to success.  If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer

   
   

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   Edited 8/4/2009 12:06 am by flairwoodworks

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 07:34am | #4

   Nice website Flair.

    

   I did point out that the driver retailed for $600 plus here.

    

   I note your prices of tools and feel quite envious,I would like to buy from USA but we have 240 volts.

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   flairwoodworks | Aug 04, 2009 09:15am | #12

   I guess I was in awe that an impact driver could cost $600. I wonder if European-style machinery (can you say sliding table saw) is less expensive for you than for use.May I ask which website you visited?Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)

    - Success is not the key to happiness.  Happiness is the key to success.  If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 09:31am | #15

   That wasn't for a web site that was from a shop,any shop that sells these tools will charge thus.

   Here is an example that I could find,a Milwaukee compact retails for $429,the price shown here is via an auction and one can't guarantee that you buy for that price.

   http://www.trademe.co.nz/Building-renovation/Tools/Power-tools/Other/auction-231501608.htm

    

    

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   philip | Aug 04, 2009 07:42am | #5

   Chris,
   Cicero got his one for NZ$200 which equates to about $135 US dollars....The Ebay one is US$300.... so is it theoretically a bargain or not?Philip Marcou

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   flairwoodworks | Aug 04, 2009 09:22am | #13

   Philip,Well, he can recharge the tool he got, so it's a better deal than buying either (presumably) 120V unit from Ebay. I bought a 9.6V Dewalt Impact Driver back in Feb. 2005 soon after they came out for $200. I haven't been disappointed. I don't think he will either. Now, for the record, I use it mostly for construction-type uses - screwing together shop work surfaces and such.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodworks.com and http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com)

    - Success is not the key to happiness.  Happiness is the key to success.  If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer

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   forestgirl | Aug 04, 2009 07:44am | #6

   Congrats, Cicero, you're in for a treat if you've never used an impact driver.  Sorry they're so darned expensive in your neck of the woods, ouch!

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 
   
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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 07:52am | #7

   I note the one you have and it doesn't seem fair.

    

   Still musn't grumble.

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   forestgirl | Aug 04, 2009 08:03am | #8

   So it sounds like any power tools (including the chargers for cordless tools) have to run on 240, right?  That sucks.  Any ways around that, like some kind of gizmo that would convert 240 to 120?  What are the customs challenges to bring stuff in from overseas?  I'm always curious about this stuff....forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   cicero | Aug 04, 2009 08:17am | #10

   I think one would get away with the odd tool coming in.

    

   Will look into what is needed to convert from 120 to 240volts.

    

   But no rush as I have this Hitchi unit which is pretty good.

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   davcefai | Aug 04, 2009 10:50pm | #25

   There's another problem with power. You use 110V at 60Hz. Almost everybody else uses 220 - 230 at 50Hz. Consequently electric motors will run slower if you use a simple transformer. Most electronic stuff seems to cope.Incidentally our cabling costs are lower because, for the same wattage, we use half the current.

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   forestgirl | Aug 05, 2009 12:07am | #26

   Ahhhhh, I didn't think about 50Hz v 60Hz.  My electrical knowledge is rudimentary at best.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   WillGeorge | Aug 04, 2009 09:20pm | #23

   Not sure what to say.. Impact tools are best air compressor driven if you have a big tank and a motor to keep up with the use...!

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   gofigure57 | Aug 04, 2009 10:42pm | #24

   Will ,

   I have both air driven and Makita 18 volt.  I would not use my pneumatic for wood screws nor would I use my makita for removing the wheel lugs off  my 3/4 ton diesel, Two different animals working on the same principal.

   I just finished installing European hinges on a bunch cabs with the Makita, not one screw over torqued  I pre-drill with vix type bit then send them home with impact and a light finger on the trigger.

   I can take the same driver reach up to the top hinge (jamb side) on an eight foot  2-1/2" sold wood door  and send a 4" screw home with ease, no camming out.  Try that with a cordless drill, I have many times  and it usually involves a step ladder and  me leaning in on the driver.

    Fact is any naysayers have not used one. I to was a naysayer.

   Tom.

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Aug 05, 2009 04:27pm | #27

   Just as soon as your wife (assuming you are married) tells you go go build a 25' x 35' rear deck on the house 12' above ground.... you're going to love your new tool which has no current use. It avoids dragging a heavy 1/2" drill with extension cords around after drilling pilot holes with a 3/8".

   I also have the Makita 10.8 V palm Impact Driver I use in my shop daily. Great for screws and gets in tight spots if something is added after assembly. I would have to say I rank it's value right up there to discovering that a jig-saw is capable of accuracy when I discovered a Bosch barrel grip jig-saw 10 years ago.

   I went 30 years thinking a jig-saw was nothing but a pure waste of money. But... what I found out was all the boxes labeled jig-saw I had purchased previously weren't really jig-saws.. they just looked like jig-saws and were sold as jig-saws. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..

   BTW.. if you decide to become a mechanic... get yourself an air compressed impact driver as it is in-dispensable for use on cars. But.. if you stick with wood the Makita will turn out to be a great investment IMO as the price was very fair and you will find it in-dispensable once you find a need. And when you do the list of needs will grow larger daily.

   Enjoy...

   Sarge..

   Woodworkers' Guild of Georgia

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   cicero | Aug 05, 2009 11:12pm | #28

   The impact driver is very popular here among-st kitchen makers.

   All the caresses are made of Melamine or similar and  lends its self to impact driven screws,with no pressure on the wrist.

   And not a face frame to be found.

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   forestgirl | Aug 05, 2009 11:59pm | #29

   "All the caresses are made of Melamine or similar ...."  Mmmmm, a Melamine caress....I think I'll pass on that one.

   ROFL!!  Sorry, Cicero, I simply could not resist!  [typos can sometimes be very entertaining, and I really needed a laugh today!!  Thanks]forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   cicero | Aug 06, 2009 12:13am | #30

   Let me know what kind of caress you  fancy and I will deliver :<)

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   forestgirl | Aug 06, 2009 01:43am | #31

   I'll pretend I didn't hear that!  View Image  ;-)

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

   Edited 8/6/2009 12:44 am by forestgirl