I assume you’ve seen this. It’s pretty thoughtful, even if it is manual and expensive …
http://www.bridgecitytools.com/blog/2008/05/08/jointmaker-pro-in-action/
Denny
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Den,
Now that thang just kicks butt!
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I didn't see the price but methinks it's like 6 or 7 hundred?
Denny
The price is $1200. Like many Bridge City Tools, it's ingenious, built to incredibly high quality standards, and is a solution looking for a problem.
Woweeeee!
Denny
a solution looking for a problem
That's easy. All the tool junkies gotta have the latest gew gaw, right?
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 6/4/2008 11:19 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Not all tool junkies. I've this addiction in a big way, with several hundred wooden molding, plow, and panel-rasing planes, most of Lie-Nielsen's entire line, quite a few LV planes, lots of Disston saws, etc..., but I've never been a big fan of Bridge City tools.
The only recent tool of theirs that I was severely tempted by was the foxtail shoulder plane, but in the end I decided the Norris examples I have are the collector's items and the L-N Clifton copies are the users, and I didn't need another one, particularly for $800.
It just seems to me that innovation at Bridge City takes precedence over user needs. The VP-60 (variable pitch) bench smoother is a good example. While it isn't the first variable-pitch plane (there are several examples going back to early 19th century French designs), it's certainly creative, particularly with the adjustable sole that takes care of the mouth-opening problem in a variable pitch plane. In the end, though, it makes a lot more sense to me to have 2 smoothers and a scraper, one at the standard 45 degrees, one at a York or Middle pitch.
If only, $1,295.John W.
Only 65 easy payments of just $19.95.
Denny
Only 65 easy payments of just $19.95.
Not only that, but you'll also get 2, that's right, 2 of our amazing wing-nut arbor nuts absolutely free. And if you act right now, well even throw in our self-leveling zero clearance throat plate. But wait, there's even more: we'll give you, absolutely free, our amazing auto grind blade sharpener. But you must act right now, this special offer will not last much longer...
Mike? Is that you Mike?
For a minute there, I thought it was Ron Popeil or Billy Mays.
Denny
Denny,
If you happen to see him let him know that two scruffy men with a chip on their shoulders were here looking for him. No, that was one chip on both shoulders.
Said they were from Geico..............
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob,
You cut me to the quick! I'm grieved, deeply grieved. Them there's my kinfolk and here you've done gone and called 'em scruffy. Well! I am insulted! Harumph!
Ron, I mean Billy, or is it pMike,
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Sorry man. How do you like me now!?
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob,
I love you man -- always will :-) There's only two people on this board that I have a definite distate for: I'm sure you know of one, and the other, well, let's call him the "whiner from the shellac thread".
Mike,
Ca-ca-careful there, son. Your continuous verbiage containing the "S" (shellac) word is dangerous. Keep that up and Denny will soon have a Deputy Tilted Loudmouthed Naysayer.
Got to go. Doing some French Polish this afternoon....
-Jerry
Keep that up and Denny will soon have a Deputy Tilted Loudmouthed Naysayer.
Well, I've never really apprenticed with anything before -- this could be a first! The loudmouth I have down cold. Don't know that I could do the naysayer part -- I'm just too darn agreeable.
You can do it!
We can help.....
I really don't know why you guys don't give up and just apply your DN with 3 shellac flakes. Wait, thats milk and 3 flakes of wheaties. No NO NONO, thats a cold one and 3 peanuts. I am never gona get this knuts thing down... <!----><!----><!---->
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I think you have forgotten the decoder ring and the crunchberries.------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Morgan,
See what you have gone and done? You have pulled Don Green into this. Did you not know that his next door neighbor's parole officer's minister's mistress's grandmother's step daughter's co-worker's boyfriend is a member of the shellac police? Watch it or you will become an Assistant Deputy Tilted Loudmouthed Naysayer. Wow, and if you think that this is nonsense.....
-Jerry
The Decoder Ring I get and know. What is a crunchberrie? Is that a dehydrated Rasberry that has been coated in a 5 to 1 shellac coating? Capn Crunch, you got a decifer this one.
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In 68 they came out with Cap'n Crunch with Crunchberries, no shellac but more chemicals than your average can of finish!
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It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Nice to know mom was watching out for me. I wonder what is worse, Cheetos or Crunchberries.
I am guilty of open container laws in AZ. Doing a scientific test to see how much heat, sun and car washes it takes to naturally remove this!
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=fw-knots&msg=41408.1 <!----><!----><!---->
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That was my favorite cereal when I was 5. Nowadays, it runs to All Bran.
Well... I was born in the 60's and grew up during the 70's. And I really, really, really wanted a "pocket fisherman" as a kid.
And you could've kept it next to the Clapper and the Chia Pet.
Denny
And you could've kept it next to the Clapper and the Chia Pet.
Hey, do you mean to tell me you have one too? Mine's not the Chia Pet -- I have the Chia Head (you'll never guess who it is).
Mr. Mike,
Was that you I saw at Woodstock?!
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Well, it's possible. I was living on Guam at the time, but depending on what you were smoking, it's possible you could have seen just about anyone :-)
The real challenge is using the wobble blade. And as is sooo typical, this machine doesn't come with a power plug.
Denny
Very cool.
We need that kind of accuracy in the model shop I work in. But with the price tag, I'm not sure the boss will go for it.
Thanks for posting it.
Len
"You cannot antagonize and influence at the same time. " J. S. Knox
Quite ingenious, actually.
Paul
I didn't see it rip any 8 foot long 8/4 maple. Most table saws can do that pretty well. ;-)
Edited 6/4/2008 1:31 pm ET by Samson
I also didn't see an attachment for a dust collector.
Denny
Can it be converted to a Sawstop?...........
Yes. If you're finger touches the blade, it chops off your hand.
Denny
Denny,
That can only occur when you hold the blade stationary and move the table back and forth to make the cut....
-Jerry (_E=mc2_)
Edit to add: Chris Schwarz had a review of the Bridge City saw on his Pop Woodwork blog 5 - 6 weeks ago.
Edited 6/4/2008 3:32 pm ET by nazard
Do you think they charge more for the inverted model?
Denny
Inverted? I dunno. I think you kind of need it for doing clowned molding....
I like the music in the video.
And for those who think it's silly, imagine pulling a compound miter saw out of a double parked VW golf and carrying it up several flights of steps then having to clean up after it to do a little trim job in Manhattan. I don't understand the $300 try squares, but this makes sense to me.
Adam
As I said, there was some thought that went into it, for sure.
Denny
Don't the $300 try squares also remove the cork from your $800 Bordeaux in the evening? :) Tom"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
Hey can I come over to your house for a glass or two? I will bring over a Taiwan knock off when I come!
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Ahh, you assume I have an $800 Bordeaux...I don't, but then I don't have a $300 try square either! I do have some good beer and a lovely $8 Merlot, and some single malt as well. I'll leave the light on for you. :) Tom"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
And I thought Texan's had all the oil money in the world to buy what they wanted! I am just surprised as all heck you don't have a Borduxe, and you are offering a Merlot? OK the single malt and a beer will be jusss fine. Keep the orange light bulb in so the bugs don't swarm... it may be awhile! Morgan <!----><!----><!---->
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Wow, that is perhaps the finest $300 tool I've ever seen!
(Too bad it's selling for $1295)
Frank
Oh I don't know. How much does an electric saw cost? I would do this work by hand, but I couldn't hire a kid who could saw like me. And you could be doing trim work in an apartment at midnight. I think this is one of the cooler things John has come up with. It's just not for you and me.
Adam
No clue. I'm assuming it's an American company, but in a short perusal of the website I didn't see an address.
Denny
I read on their blog that the machine is made in Idaho. For people who live in the Cincinnati area they are going to demo the unit at the PWW office June 19th.
Saw this thing work at a tool show in Chicago. Worked great , looked great . Saw several people buying them. You are talking about wwers who are used to spending 200- 1000 on handplanes and handtools.
I'm sure if you make your living doing intricate inlays and small moldings in your furniture the machine is worth it. It's hobby guys like me who choke over the price, but I'm a cheapskate anyway. It looks like it would work like a dream. I'll have to put it on my lottery money wish list.
I'd like to see that, but I'm seeing enough on the video to see it has potential. Just not worth the price to me.
Denny
I think I would try to make it for $75 first, then figure out if I had any real use for the machine, then I'd consider buying it. I'm too poor for the real thing.
Looked like some really good DTs that were cut with it. Would make a great TS where quiet was the mode of the day but the price kinda gets ya where it hurts though.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 6/5/2008 3:10 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
I seen that Bob but I was thinking; do you really need your dovetail angles to be perfectly straight and at such a precise angle to justify buying the machine? I mean even if you cut your dovetails by hand and are off a couple degrees or two, no one's eye is going to catch the imperfection between the varying dovetail angles.
Hi Mike,
You know it seems to me that the saw is a very clever idea. Seems like lots of ways to cut wood but the underlying thang seems like it's a crutch for handsaw challenged folks. I guess if you're a handtool oriented person that is a view most of these folks could share about power tools too.
Tablesaws doing the work of handsaws, routers the work of molding planes, planers/joiners motorizing bench planes, bandsaws doing the work of bowsaws, etc. The industrialization of hand tools!
To me it's the price of this tool that puts it out of reach for me and perhaps some of those who embrace all that power at their disposal? $1,200 for a glorified handsaw! But then again like all tools, one can't appreciate their virtues without actually using them.
Wouldn't it be great if tool makers were to do something REALLY INNOVATIVE - test drive before you buy!
Maybe there's something I'm missing,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Hey Bob, not to fret. If you join the BC club, you kin prolly git it for only $1125. Betcha feel better now, huh?
Denny
"...seems like it's a crutch for handsaw challenged folks."
Can't you say exactly the same thing about any power tool? For that matter, can't you say the same thing about any tool at all? The purpose of a tool is to aid in a process, to "improve" that process in some way (make it faster, more accurate, etc.; in some cases, it's to make an impractical or even impossible process practical or possible).
The bulk of the criticisms levied against this tool have been basically reactionary--"You don't need this tool because you can do the same thing with [existing, less expensive tool] XYZ." The irony is that the people who make those claims forget that every tool was at one time a new, untested idea. That those same criticisms have been made against the very tools that they now cherish.
One can legitimately argue about the cost-effectiveness of an expensive, limited use tool such as this one. But even then, the argument can't exist in a vacuum; it has to be placed into a context. The real question isn't, "Does this tool cost too much?" but rather, "Does this tool offer me value that exceeds its cost?"
-Steve
Steve,
Can't you say exactly the same thing about any power tool?
I thought that was the jist of my post.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I had not seen this thanks for posting it. Pretty neat I would think it would be really great for a picture frame shop. Although I did not see a riving knife or blade brake like a Sawstop:) I posted before I read all the other Sawstop remarks, sorry about that.
Troy
Edited 6/5/2008 4:28 pm ET by troys
Hey Troy, the thing doesn't even have a good Biesmeyer Fence.
Denny
To funnyTroy
Denny,
Did you see that a portable version is available as well?
Chris @ www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Hmmm. Another new invention. What's that portable kit run. I kin tell you right now, Chris, I wouldn't give more'n 900 bucks for that there portable kit.
Denny
Wineman, I wunced was a shotgun collector and shooter. I kept buying guns in search of the one that wouldn't miss the targets. After I spent years and bout 60k bucks, I came to an enlightenment ........
Wasn't a damn one of 'em that shot straight.
Denny
"I hope you took them back...."
Wine,
He didn't take them back. He sold them to Tony Soprano but won't admit to it. Remember, Denny is noted and famous in this esteemed community as a tilted naysayer.
-nazard (_E=mc2_)
Nah, it's not you -- you know how to give and take -- the clown I'm talking about doesn't. Blewcrowe knows who I'm talking about, don't you, Denny?
roger that
Denny
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