The wife had an interesting conversation with our vet. She was making idle chit-chat and mentioned how our dog like to go to the shop with me and loves to chew on small scrap chunks of wood. The vet asked if I used gorilla glue and she said we had some (I don’t use it, but I do have it). Anyway, he indicated pets love the taste of gorilla glue and it can be disasterous if they get it. If you have any keep it up and keep any glueups away from fido. I’m not disparaging gorilla glue in any way, but I’m going to treat it like radiator fluid from now on.
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Yep, that's absolutely true. A good idea to bring it up occasionally. Other dog cautions: Most people know that chocolate can be dangerous for dogs, but far fewer people know that grapes (and raisins) can be fatal! They cause kidney failure. There are people who use raisins as training treats for their dogs, and while they may get away with one or two, here and there, personally I wouldn't do it. Important to tell kids that are around your dogs to not feed them grapes.
Just had Maggie at the Vets today. He liked her 11yo teeth. I give her carrots as a treat. He said, OK but they are high in carbs which are adding to her, like me, "middle" age spread. He suggested raw green beans or pumpkin. Looks like WE get raw green beans. Raw Pumpkin, Yuck.Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Hmmmm, raw green beans, eh? Sounds safer than the rawhide bones we give our big boys, though they do a great cleaning job. We have to be here, watching closely (along with watching TV), lest they tear a strip off and get it stuck in their throat (or worse yet, swallow a big one whole). The collie takes exception to me "helping" him when he's gagging on and on, like for half a minute. The Golden Retriever has never gagged, but he slurped down a piece that was almost 2" wide and a good 7" long one night. He's miserable to live with when he has a night-time tummy ache!
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Rawhide bones!! My Vet says it's like teaching a dog to smoke cigarettes. He claims that the imported "bones" sometimes contain nasties like insecticide, lead and God knows what because rawhide is not regulated.
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Edited 8/2/2008 9:29 pm ET by BruceS
I stay away from the newfangled coated bones (some company thought it'd be nifty to put a dental-oriented coating on them, sheesh, gave 'em the runs) and rawhide from China -- their pet record isn't great. Actually, the hides these are made from are US hides, processed in Mexico. It's a question of odds, I figure -- something else will likely get my guys before any bone contaminants do. The Collie is 8 years into his 10- to 12-year life expectancy. The Golden might get to 14 I s'pose.
General anesthesia probably presents more of a threat to either as they age, plus a tooth cleaning is over $300 is these here parts. Neither of them has noticeable tarter, as opposed to our past dogs who didn't get any chewies. Still, though, owners need to take care when offering these treats to their pets.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forestgirl,I echo all the caveats on chocolate as well. Chocolate and raisins are absolutely fatal. But not the only things. Calla Lilies, Rhododendron etc. etc. The list goes on. Most stuff outside that is bad the dogs usually stay away from.We do the show dog bit with Welsh terriers and it's a constant fight to keep on top of their diets. The dogs are never allowed anything off their diet at the shows especially anything from the vendors. Ie. bulls ####, rawhide chews etc.. Most come from China and middle Africa and the QC is highly suspect. Never allowed in the shop - too many lethal chewies like Gorilla droppings, Ivy based wood chips etc. One prefers sharp nails, toothpicks and any form of strangulated plastic. There is also anything made from styrene or vinyl. Pens, garden hoses. We had one dog that liked to sever the last ten feet of any new hose. Never the first ten, just the last. He also like to eat the repair connectors. The soft material impacts in their intestines and can be fatal. Same with racketballs. Same with Pork bones. Most people are aware of chicken bones.Salmon Poisoning. Very common. (Not Salmonella poisoning). Eating uncooked Salmon, Steelhead, Trout ( others) . If left untreated, most dogs will die within 14 days after the first signs of the disease appear. Death usually results from dehydration and blood loss; very few untreated animals survive. It's well known in the Pacific Northwest.They get raw green beans or the Safeway house brand unsalted green beans for weight control although the brood bitch doesn't like them and has a certain matronly middle aged "spread". They are on a very tightly controlled am - PM diet. Nothing extravagant or special but none of the mass marketed brands. For treats they get jerked chicken breast strips from Costco and a little people jerky once in a while. Beef liver for "bait" in the ring. "Greenies" for their teeth (chewy tapioca-chlorophyl bone shaped things). Ultra small size as some dogs have choked on the larger one.
There is nothing we can do about the cat "treats" in the back yard. All dogs favorite snack!BB
There is nothing we can do about the cat "treats" in the back yard. All dogs favorite snack!
BB,
What is it about the kitty poop? I built the cat (wife's) a shaker style litter chest with the intent that the outside activity would go away. No. The cat uses the chest as some kind of special clean place and now does all her stuff outside. I leave the overhead guard on the TS at a convenient height with the 4" port open and the cat just ignores it....
The dog, who does not floss everyday, finds this amusing.
-Jerry
Edit to add: For a low calorie dry treat, we give the border collie "Pup Treats". Three calories a pop. Does not have the teeth cleaning benefit of "Milkbones", but the vet says low calorie is a must.
Edited 8/3/2008 12:31 pm ET by nazard
"Does not have the teeth cleaning benefit of "Milkbones", but the vet says low calorie is a must." Milkbones don't have that teeth-cleaning benefit either, LOL! Last year I read a summary of research on such things, Milkbones didn't fare well.
That's some classy cat you have, with a Shaker-style litter box. Our orange tabby is just the opposite of your kitty....he can be outside for hours, then scritch-scratch on the door to come in, only to make a bee-line for the kitty box. Then he asks to go back out again. Sheesh.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
You have my admiration for being disciplined and energetic enough to show dogs! Takes serious commitment, for sure.
Our Golden really likes the liver treats, they worked well for training a couple years ago. I started staying away from the Greenies when several dogs died after eating them. However, it seemed that it was small dogs that were having the problems. Do you know anything about how the rest of that unfolded??
We're lucky that Costco carries big (big) rawhide bones that are from US hides. Occasionally, we get the pork rolled chewies for the Collie, I need to look at that package again and see what the source is.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I don't have a choice. It is HER hobby. I'm just the labor gang/grunt/driver, and gofer...."Takes serious commitment, for sure."Yes, I am thinking about being seriously committed:)The upshot on the Greenies is that a few had choked but mostly due to owner error. The Greenie people did changed the formula- made them softer.
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What a handsome, handsome boy! Glad to hear they changed up the recipe on the Greenies. Not being able to cut them always made me a bit suspicious, even before the scare.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
FYI.The folks that make Greenies changed the recipe a bit after that scare. I usually get the regular size and cut them in half. One half for my dog and the other for her best play bud on the next street when we'd walk over. It used to be that the only way you could split one was to put a deep score line in it then snap it hard. No way you were getting a knife through one. After that big scare, suddenly you can cut them fairly easy with a butcher knife. I think the problem was with dogs that tend to wolf food down instead of chewing and the old recipe didn't digest very well unless chewed good.If you build it he will come.
I cut them on the bandsaw.
There used to be a green line in the DC. :-)
my lab love green beans, but usually we just eat them steamed. he doesn't care at all for carrots. he like brocolli too, but corn most of all (which is all carbs).
the same precautions with dogs should probably be taken for "Great Stuff" - same risk until it sets up.
Edited 8/3/2008 11:22 am ET by jquinn
Interesting.... I certainly would not have thought that raisins or grapes would be bad for them, and didn't know that chocolate was suspect as well. The Ridgeback that I have pictured here in the past didn't go for chocolate but but the tabby did. The Ridgeback was very keen on mandarin pips-these would guarrantee obedience when he knew I had them.
The two mousemunchers I have here: the female will eat any elastic band she can find, whilst his lordship goes into raptures when he smells Infrarub (stuff for aching muscles)- behaves as though it is powerful catnip.
P.S: is there something up with the forum-things are not working as normal- can't open new threads unless in "new window", spell checker just opens and closes, will not switch from "read messages " to "all" etc, won't change to basic view and vice versa etc? Very frustrating.Philip Marcou
Sounds like there are gremlins in the software. Perhaps will disappear at midnight??
Christmas-time is a bad time for dogs (fudge, etc.), that's when there's the biggest problem with them OD'ing on chocolate, sometimes with dire consequences. Don't know if Valentines might be the same? "Thanks for the choc's dear, they killed my dog." Ooooops!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Jamie,
"Sounds like there are gremlins in the software. Perhaps will disappear at midnight??".
Tried that....Also hoped they would go away when I renewed and up graded AVG to 8.i etc- no change.
Can you suggest any tricks?
Philip Marcou
Have you updated your browser? Or made any other significant update?There also could have been some shange in the forum software and your version of the browser is too old to cope.If you're using Internet Explorer try installing firefox. Or vice versa. This will identify whether the problem lies in the OS or the browser.
Thanks Dave. In fact I did have a recent FireFox update and I am sure it was just prior to all these strange happenings. But then again, other forums are working as normal .
I will play with Internet Exploder and check that Firepox is also up to date.Philip Marcou
Dave, it works normally with I/E so the goblins are in FireFox I would say. Now I am danged if I can find what version of this F/F I have and how to call it up.... Nobody here (NZ) to ask either.Philip Marcou
Philip, for firefox version: Click Help, About Mozilla Firefox.All I can say is that I have no problem with 2.0.0.16 on both Windows and Linux. If you have installed FF 3 then I can't help as I haven't yet taken the plunge but hope to do so this week.
Everytime I see this brought up, I think of my dog, Ripley. And, I hate to say this, but I gave her grapes as a treat since she was a young dog. It was only in the last few years that someone said, "don't give her grapes, it will kill her". But the 14 years prior to that, she loved grapes. My roommate gives his dog grapes and I've not seen any ill effects in the year I've lived here. I've heard of this about grapes and raisins. Maybe these two dogs are the exception.
I have found this interesting as well. I grew up on a farm with rows and rows of grapes, the dogs ate grapes all the time, right off the vine, as I remember it, there were no grapes left on the vines as far up as the dogs could reach. Same applied to strawberries, cherries, and any other thing they could find. Now I just figure maybe it is worse for some grapes than others so I dont chance it with our small city dogs, they go absolutely nuts for lettuce---probably bad for them as well!
It's a well-documented problem (grapes and dogs). Perhaps it is hit-or-miss, or some dogs can eat more than others, but I wouldn't take the chance. I was first told about it by a man who saw me with our dogs and told me about his son's dog dying. I came home and checked it out on veterinarian and Human Society web sites.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I have no doubt that it is well documented and not an "urban legend". I know that what kills dogs who eat chocolate is the component theobromine. It is in the same class of compounds as caffeine. It affects the nervous system. Having said that, my mom's 110 lb lab ate 2 full boxes of chocolates one year at Christmas time. He was 8. Charlie died at 15, having never shown any problems. I have friends who would never give their dogs grapes. I did it by accident and didn't learn that it was a problem for dogs untill late in my dogs life. Maybe your right, it depends on the dog. Guess I and my dog were lucky.
I panicked a bit one time when the Collie at a chocoate bar, so I zipped to the computer to find out what the scoop was on just how toxic chocolate is. It was apprent after a little reading that it depends very much on the size of the dog and the size of the chocolate bar. At that time, he weighed nearly 100 pounds (just a tad overweight, LOL), so I figured 3 oz of choc wasn't going to hurt him. He's now down to a trim and muscular 85 pounds.
Odd thing about the grapes is that "they" have yet to figure out what the harmful component is. I read a couple of case histories (of fatalities), it was sad. Kidney's just go downhill and stop functioning, despite the vets' best efforts.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I believe the problem is primarily with red grapes.
Tylenol is also toxic to dogs and highly toxic to cats. It damages the liver.
I'd heard the warning about gorilla glue before but thanks for the reminder. I could be wrong but I think the issue isn't so much with it being a poison but that the expanding foam way that it cures just plain plugs them up - sort of like swalling concrete and having it harden inside. I also discovered my cat licking a bit of squeezeout from my leather vise jaw liners when I used liquid hide glue to attach it. The dog seemed real interested in the smell too but couldn't reach it. I suppose that should have been obvious but it never crossed my mind to shut off the room from the critters until it cured. I caught the cat within about 15 seconds of jumping on the bench and I think she had more on her paws than in her mouth, so no harm done but I doubt that's something that vets recommend either.
If you build it he will come.
Edited 8/3/2008 8:27 am ET by douglas2cats
Edited 8/3/2008 8:27 am ET by douglas2cats
"I could be wrong but I think the issue isn't so much with it being a poison but that the expanding foam way that it cures just plain plugs them up...." I don't believe you're wrong. This is the explanation I read.
Liquid hide glue is a real pet magnet. I had a friend way back when who lost a few treasured old books when she left her normally outdoor dog inside for an afternoon. Only the old books, bound with hide glue, were munched on.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
There are literally thousands of reasons pets don't belong in a woodshop.
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