I’ve downloaded Google Chrome, their new browser. Generally speaking, I like the way it works, but I’ve found that it can’t deal with posting messages here on Knots. Makes a mess of ’em. Anybody else with this same problem?
David Ring
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David,
I wish I could experiment with it. But there's no Mac version yet. Soon.
While Chrome is beta software, and problems can be expected, it uses coding standards much newer than the software here. The FWW forum doesn't play nice with a number of browsers, and still doesn't give me any access to formatting commands on my Macs. (Boooo!)
This forum software's long been in need of updating.
Rich
The IT guy at my work just introduced me to a new add-on for firefox called "IE Tab". It changes the engine that firefox uses to that of IE on demand, and as far as I've used it, it works great. Go to "Tools/Add-ons/Get Add-ons" and search for "IE Tab"
"IE Tab...Enables you to use the embedded IE engine within Mozilla/Firefox." -If you didn't learn something new today, you're not looking hard enough!
Thanks,I'll check that out.Rich
Your welcome.-If you didn't learn something new today, you're not looking hard enough!
Not available for Mac OS.Rich
Thanks for that- very useful since I have started having gremlins in Knots when using FireFox-and even though I have I.E 8 I still prefer to use FirFox. (Nobody at FWW Customer service has been able to rid me of the gremlins)
Another usefull thing is Cooliris- are you familiar with this?Philip Marcou
Philip,
I've had problems for a while now with the links in Knots not working properly while running Firefox, and not wanting to use IE, this add-on is great. You can switch back and forth by hitting the Firefox/IE icon on the lower right of the browser window. I've got several windows open now, some are running on the IE engine, and the others (majority) are on the Firefox engine.
I checked out the Cooliris; that is sweet! Thanx for the heads up.
To look at something else that is sweet, check this out. It's a fun little game that will test your building abilities. WARNING!!! IT COULD BE VERY ADDICTING!!!
-Kevin-If you didn't learn something new today, you're not looking hard enough!
Mac man here ! Since 1990. Am on my MacBook Air as we "speak". Hard to resist getting all troll about Mac/PC but I will be good. I will be good. I will be good.
Edited 9/7/2008 1:19 am by roc
but I will be good. I will be good. I will be good.
Used every computer you can think of since about IBM 1401? and the Intel 4004 1970? When was the 4004 made? I forget.
MAC.. for Graphic work in the printing field HANDS DOWN WIN! PC of all else!
No I don't hate MAC... Just not priced reasonably for us common folks!
Dear Will George,You must have an exceptional memory and a higher than average tolerance for B.S..I do not.>Price of Mac<Let me say this about that. I was a bicycle mechanic in 1990. I bought a used Mac for three thousand dollars. It had a tiny screen, black and white. Took years to pay it off. At those wages and living alone in a new city THAT was an expensive computer!Never regretted it ! I still have it. It works perfectly. Never a single repair. Made the money back doing desk top publishing, data base work, spreadsheets, and producing mailing lists for years and years with it.About every thing I can think of that I enjoy; cars, tools, books, food, travel etc. etc. etc. has gone up in price since then. Doubling, tripling in price or worse. I can not get some things that were then commonly available now at any price because the quality has gone to s**t.I have two new Macs in the last two years. One is an iMac that takes me all over the world, plays movies instantly, takes pictures, stores pictures, holds all my music and plays it wirelessly throughout the house. I buy things from all over the world without moving off my fat but. It is lightning fast and beautiful. Doing things and doing them with ease and with an aplomb I could not even imagine when I bought my first Mac, and I have one hell of an imagination!My other Mac is a MacBook Air that is my furthest dream when it comes to a mobile device. It is thinner than a Vogue magazine, weighs about the same, loads files wirelessly from the iMac and even wakes me up in the morning to the sounds I want to hear in the manner I want to hear them. People who say it is under appointed need to get their head out of the spec sheets and use one as it was intended to be used for a few months.When I saw that beautiful, thin color screen open and the keyboard symbols light up I was ecstatic ! Now, nearly t w e n t y years later, both these machines together can be had for less than the price of my original Mac. My income has gone up but I assure you I am "common folk"; you might be appalled by just how "common".Judged solely on what my old Mac cost and how cheep the present Macs are in comparison and considering what they can do and how easily they can do it. In my view, Apple is practically paying me to take their machines off their hands !It is true there are cheeper machines out there. If I wanted cheep in place of fun and interesting I suppose I could live in a cave and eat mice. Every time I am forced to use that other unmentionable silliness (at work) I find I am appalled at the complexity to achieve the same ends, bored by the execution and uninspired to pursue it further.Everything changes all the time but last I checked a Mac could run windoze faster than the competition ! See:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/13/technology/13pogue.htmlhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/136649-3/in_pictures_the_most_notable_notebooks_of_2007.htmlhttp://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=4It is not the extravagances I regret but the economies. I can NOT afford one of the great automobiles but I can afford one of the truly great computers. As one of my acquaintances said of his Alfa Romeo "every time I drive it it makes me smile".I can say the same for my Macs. Don't tell Steve Jobs but I would have paid twice what I did to have what I've got. I could start all over gushing about my iPhone but this is a woodworking forum, now that I am back from my ecstatic rampage, and so I shall say no more.Edited 9/9/2008 1:12 am by rocEdited 9/9/2008 2:55 am by rocEdited 9/9/2008 3:09 am by roc
Edited 9/9/2008 3:13 am by roc
FWIW, I use a Mac so can't run Chrome yet, or IE for that matter. IE8 and Chrome share many common design features like better privacy controls (incognito browsing) and sandboxing (not in IE8 public beta yet) which makes each tab an independent process. At any rate, neither of these browsers is targeting better web browsing as a primary design goal, although each has considerably better browsing performance. Chrome and IE8 are about enabling a next generation of web applications to be built on top of the browser platform, with capabilities that developers can take advantage of for great UI control of the browser frame itself, and performance that is not bound by the other things you are doing with the browser. Whether or not FWW forums work better is almost academic, there simply isn't a compelling advantage that either new browser would provide on "old" web services like this forum software. Whether or not Mzinga releases a new version of the forum software that propels it to the level of what competitors offer, like Jive, is one thing but FWW would have to upgrade it for us to experience something better.As for Chrome having "thousands of bugs" that simply is an exaggeration but Google has been earning a reputation of pushing out software earlier and buggier these last few years. Nonetheless, Chrome has been getting a lot of use from people who care about such things and reports are generally positive on the features and the quality (for a first public beta).
You must have an exceptional memory and a higher than average tolerance for B.S..
I do! and then some! I hardly ever get upset unless sombody punches me in the nose!
Maybe you just did! :>)
I have nothing against a MAC.. Jut that I first started way back on Intel and the 6800..
I just fell in love with the Z80 and went on from there!
I say use whatever puter you like.. I have use many types.
I think typing a computer in general terms is like looking at you wife.. She was a Brunette and came to bed as a Blond and you rejected her! makes no sense to me!
To each their own!
Edited 9/14/2008 5:16 am by WillGeorge
As one of my young coworkers used to say "Nah Dude Nah".I am just lazy, have a poor memory for info unless interesting to me for some reason, and a very low tolerance for B.S.. I go around grumpy a good deal of the time. In other words I am almost completely unfit for modern life! That is why I hole up like a hermit in my shop.To make it even worse my old mentor's MANNER rubbed off on me when I was highly impressionable. He was genius (mensa) intellect, had too much energy, was extremely opinionated, a (Mac-ophile), and could have sold abacuses to IBM. Or parachutes to sheep herders if you like.I wish I had your natural abilities and understanding but I don't so there it is. Fortunately there is a company to make things easy for the lazy.In closing I say "TO THE WOOD SHOP ME HARDIES ! ! !"
Edited 9/15/2008 3:46 am by roc
I tried it here too -- couldn't re-size frames (to loose the huge header here), so I went back to the ol' standby.
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
Mike, you say "to lose the huge header here"- that is something new , just recently appeared,and I would dearly like to lose it-how do I do it?Philip Marcou
By "Huge header" I refer to the big orange "Fine Woodworking, etc." block that appears at the top of the forum leaving room on the screen for only about two posts in each thread. And also alerting your boss at work that you are not advancing the interests of the company. ;-)
Using MSIE, and Windoze, it's a simple matter of dragging the division up until the header is miniscule. The "magic spot" is just above the little blue folder next to "General Discussion" above the first post in a thread. Just click 'n drag on the spot (horizontal line, really).
If you have trouble finding it, head over to Breaktime and try it there. The dividing line is more conspicuous. It's at the bottom of the orange horizontal stripe. (Same place on Knots -- just not marked as well here.) Can't vouch for this working on those other oddball ( ;-) ) setups that some folks use.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Thanks Mike. I worked it for I.E but not for FireFox, unfortunately.
I certainly think the controllers should either point out how to do this or make it clearly obvious.Philip Marcou
Someone posted a java script a year or two ago that hides the header in Knots and in BT, probably the other forums too.javascript:(function(){if%20(document.getElementsByTagName('frameset')[0].rows=='10,*'){document.getElementsByTagName('frameset')[0].rows='172,*'}else{document.getElementsByTagName('frameset')[0].rows='10,*'}})();I have it attached to an icon on my FireFox bookmarks toolbar. Click once and it toggles header to "hidden", click again toggles to normal again.Wait a minute, when I try it now it removes the header but when toggled again returns only the window, not the links to start , messages, outline, my forums, breaktime, all forumsMaybe someone here knows how to fix that glitch.BruceT
Edited 9/7/2008 6:46 pm by brucet9
"I certainly think the controllers should either point out how to do this or make it clearly obvious."
LOL! Yer kidding, right? ;-)
Then EVERYONE would nix the self-ads. In fact, I am kinda worried that if the hiding methods get enough press here, they'll "fix" 'em!
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Mike, I wasn't kidding. I don't see any ads because I blocked them. The danged header thing is there, takes up 60% of the window-it was not like that until about a month ago when it came and stayed.
Now, I can get it to maximum screen if I private e mail myself- how do you explain that? (So there will be a number of messages which just say X or Y for the controllers to scratch their heads over).
I will try Google chrome and see what happens there.Philip Marcou
"I can get it to maximum screen if I private e mail myself- how do you explain that?"
Me? Explain it? I wouldn't even know where to start! No comprendo JAVA. But to be fair, Taunton web designers probably didn't intend to make the page act that way, but there are just so many variables between platforms, applications and hardware, that "stuff happens".
So I just avoid the problem by using MSIE and starting each session by dragging the header quietly into oblivion. ;-)
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
PS: By "ads", I didn't mean the DeWalt (or waterver) popups -- they're so innocuous I don't even notice them until somebody posts a thread complaining about them. I meant the Goodyear Blimp-sized Determined Orange banner with the yellow "Fine WW Magizine", "Shop Books, Plans & More" links.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Mike,
"So I just avoid the problem by using MSIE and starting each session by dragging the header quietly into oblivion. ;-)".
I was able to use that facility a few times after you had shown me what to do. Now, suddenly, no workee, nothing, zilch....neither in Firefox nor in I.E.
Philip Marcou
See - they WERE listening! DOH! ;-)
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
PS: Still works for me. Does it not work for you on Breaktime as well? The "magic line" is only a few pixels wide, so it's tough to hit -- it sometimes takes me 5 or 6 tries on Knots, but since the line is visable at Breaktime, it's easier to hit.
Ring, I looked it up. Seems that it is riddled with bugs. Thousands of posters are saying that it is dangerous-some can't believe that it is a Google Product-so it seems as that it needs tweaking by the nerds .Even I am now not keen to download it.....Try Internet Exploder 8 if you are not already with it.
philip,It is beta software. It is not even "late" beta, or software the maker is confident is polished. It is rough. Maybe it won't crash all the time, but it is far from finished. The public is being used as unpaid beta testers. This is standard practice in the industry today. In many ways it is a very dishonest practice. Some companies are worse than others. But that's the way it is, they all do it.The surprise from those who understand these things is that Google has released such a poor . . . um . . . "early" product. They have the programming talent to do much, much better. They have the ability to do it right. But that takes time, and the current practice allows a company to get its product out to start to capture "market share" as early as possible. But they have had a reputation for taking the high road (in other matters), and advertising that their intent is to do the right thing and this kind of thing smacks of hypocrisy.I'm sure they will defend themselves by explaining that, after all it IS beta, so problems are to be EXPECTED and people benefit from seeing the product early to get familiar with it.Don't trust it for "Mission Critical" work, YET.Rich
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