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   roc | Mar 10, 2012 07:49pm | #1

   Some times these things just come to me.

   Pocket screws you say ?  Aaaaaaaaauuuuullll right.

   That has Norm written  aaaaaaaauuuuullll over it.

   So . . . I asks my self "What would Norm do ?" and I answers my self :

   http://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Nails-LN950-10-Ounce-PolyAdhesive/dp/B000BO9PA6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331425986&sr=8-1

   Or . . .

   you could invite the local boy scout troop over or,  if it were me, one of the local cheer leading squads . . .

   :   )

   and arm each one o' them with a bottle of Elmer's and when you say "GO" they all at once smear some glue on in their assigned place on the frame and badda boom badda bing you quick set the frame in place.

    

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   Quickstep | Mar 11, 2012 01:33am | #2

   If you use epoxy, there are additives (colloidal silica) that let you make it as thick as you want. Special hardeners can slow the cure speed so there's more time to apply. Mixing large batches can be problematic because the reaction causes heat which accelerates curing and reduces pot life, but that's relatively easy to remedy by making smaller batches that get used up promptly. 

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   roc | Mar 11, 2012 06:06am | #3

   I'm being only half serious hear but

   Seriously :

   if using the epoxy, which is a great idea, you can make a large batch with low heat if you mix it on a large flat area like a cheep plate that way the heat dissipates (and ironically won't cure faster ) rather than builds up (and does cure faster ) if it were mixed in a cup.

   Half seriously :

   Did you see the price of the liquid nails ?  Four bucks for that huge tube vs like a whole lot of $ for a smaller quantity of epoxy plus the $ for thickener stuff.

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   RalphBarker | Mar 11, 2012 11:19am | #4

   less glue, less drip

   The trick is to apply the right amount of glue in the proper manner. For that large of a glue-up, you might consider an applicator with a built-in roller/spreader.

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   roc | Mar 11, 2012 02:24pm | #5

   Shades of Norm once again

   All roads traveling modern wood working lead back to Norm.

   Norm is it

   Norm is all

   All hail The Norm

   Normmmmmm Normmmmmm Normmmmmmm

   PS: all Norm type discusions should include the holy word Biscuit so . . . there . . . I evoked the holy utterance.

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   bannerpond | Mar 16, 2012 06:11am | #6

   Answering Questions

   Folks write to forums to get answers, not to be ridiculed in their ideas. If I have a problem and it isn't answered, what good is the forum? I don't write in to get a laugh or to laughed at. It seems to be in vogue to trash Norm Abrams, as if that makes one a professional. At least Norm taught people some skills and gave them ideas. What did your answers do? Evidently they made you feel good about trashing Norm, but otherwise they were worthless.

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   user-64052 | Mar 16, 2012 04:37pm | #7

   this is what happens

   when one doesn't really know the answers, they try and resort to wit.

   ron

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   roc | Mar 16, 2012 10:45pm | #10

   . . . and . . . ah . . . sid . . .

   I seem to have missed YOUR solution to the OP's question.

   Maybe you could add your refreshingly original suggestion.

   ( again )

   for those of us who missed it on the first opening few volleys of post by those who ACTUALLY

   >really know the answers<.

   That was you up there leading the charge right ?

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   user-64052 | Mar 16, 2012 11:55pm | #12

   sorry

   I am not just quick with the mouth like you are.

   there are more than likely a handfull of way to do it efficiently, but one would like to observe the the environment first.  to see what one has to work with. I doubt that it would be difficult to overcome.

   ron

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   roc | Mar 17, 2012 12:49am | #13

   Apology accepted

   >one would like to observe the the environment first.<

   take all the time you need

   :   )

   We'll be here.  I can't speak for the OP however; he may want to get a solution and get back to work.

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   user-64052 | Mar 17, 2012 01:15am | #14

   always

   have to be the wise ass with your replies'

   he could have shown some pictures of his situation to emphasize  what has to be done.

   ron

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   roc | Mar 17, 2012 01:36am | #16

   Yes

   .

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   user-64052 | Mar 18, 2012 03:04pm | #24

   I wan't really apologizing

   to you ; just that I didn't have a quick mouth like you!

   ron

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   Westchester | Mar 17, 2012 08:14am | #17

   Seriously

   You can't believe that Roc doesn't know the answer.  Someone not familar with the folks here won't understand the humor.

   No one has riducled you - lighten up - just a group of Friends here with very good skills willing to help always but with sometimes questionable off-the-cuff comments.

   SA

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   roc | Mar 17, 2012 01:29am | #15

   Yep too strong on the comments. You're right

    >questionable off-the-cuff comments<

   I feel like SOME THING happened though. The OP (Scrappy1 = Scott) actually carried on a conversation 

   Oh wait

   That was Bannerpond perhaps channeling Scrappy1.  Or some stuff.

   So often the NEW people sign in , get their answer on demand and sign out with out another word.  It is as if they think we are on THEIR payroll.

   I think I have mellowed though.  Haven't I ?

   :  )

   Don't answer that.

   Wait until he tangles with Larry. Oh my gosh.

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   user-64052 | Mar 17, 2012 02:22pm | #18

   yes , but he usually

   always seems to practise it on new people to the board. I understand that he doesn't appreciate 1 timers to the foum and by his comments as noted by the OP they are not going to come back. Hee is not giving them a chance. if he doesn't like them then don't answer them.  it is quite rare  that there  are not questionable off the cuff comments in his threads rather than sometimes.

   ron

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   roc | Mar 17, 2012 09:08pm | #19

   I Think She's Not Going To Get Up Again

   Ya may as well take the bridle off of her.

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   user-64052 | Mar 17, 2012 09:38pm | #20

   who the

   fuck does anyone even know what you are talking about

   ron

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   roc | Mar 18, 2012 02:25pm | #22

   Such language dear me.

   This horse is dead.  Stop beating it.  Take the bridle off of the poor beast and go find another horse to beat.

   As in "Don't beat a dead horse".

   Or better yet "Stop beating this dead horse ".

   Just trying to provide something with a modicum of interest for those who are tired of this drivel.  I know I am.

   Maybe we can get this back to woodworking since Sid is still surveying the terrain to help him think about his solution.

   aahh at last, thank you.

   Scrappy1(Scott),

   Ok to chime in . . . tell me how much you like pocket screws an how I am full of something unmentionable.  Heck I never even installed one with the jig and special drill bit and all.  Maybe I am missing out.

   Anything, about woodworking, please.

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   user-64052 | Mar 18, 2012 03:01pm | #23

   always the big mouth

   I don't really know whether you can speak about woodworking or not without injecting some sort of sarcasm in it

   ron

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   roc | Mar 16, 2012 11:17pm | #11

   Since you asked "What did my answer do" Lets run with that

    Why wouldn't liquid nails work just fine ?  It is a viscous glue.  It is not going to drip.

   Why wouldn't the group glue application work ?

   By the way I was serious about the Elmer's.  Their white glue is excellent and inexpensive.  I have done extensive glue testing and it is a gem.

   I seconded the epoxy solution a bit pricy but an excellent solution.

   FINALLY

   In closing let me say and be vary clear so there is no question about my position on Norm Abrams :

   I have watched his shows for a hunert years and always enjoy them.  He takes you to experts or museums and suppliers and still builds solid furniture all in a half hour.

   Norm is great.

   Norm is not building "FINE" furniture.  Though.

   So keep that in mind.  Norm is building geeter done with power tools furniture.

   That's OK that is great.

   Seriously pocket screws are are totally a Norm show tool.

   Norm would have used another practical solution that may not be from the old world traditional tool box.  A modern glue and a modern applicator.

   For glue with some thickener in it that means a caulking gun.  Hard to squeeze out of a bottle if thickened.  Hard to get it to the spout end from the bottom of the bottle.  Sooooo it has a plunger.

   Norm :

   I have read his auto biographical book Measure Twice Cut Once.

   Have you ?  

   Read it more than once as a mater of fact because I enjoyed it so much.

   Post of me praising Norm or recommending members of this chat room to review specific shows and techniques :

   http://forums.finewoodworking.com/node/89466

   http://forums.finewoodworking.com/fine-woodworking-knots/finishing/seeking-high-quality-exterior-clear-coat-recomendation

   http://forums.finewoodworking.com/fine-woodworking-knots/general-discussion/how-mailbox-post-constructed

   http://forums.finewoodworking.com/fine-woodworking-knots/general-discussion/uphostery-aaargh

   I could find more 

   There is fine woodworking, which is the title of this here whole sheebang and there is Norm woodworking.

   That's just a fact Jack.

   What have you finally come up with to solve the problem ?

   PS: Thanks for Defending Norm Abrams and Kicking the butt of anybody that says he is not a huge asset to helping people learn good basic woodworking.

5. 
   lignumvitae | Mar 16, 2012 08:26pm | #8

   Actually, Norm has the solution

   Norm does have the answer; very eloquent indeed!  He did an episode building a set of kitchen cabinets.  He cut a slot in both the face frame and boxes (full length of both at all joining surfaces) and assembled with glue and biscuits.  I think this reduced the glue volume and made for a very stable assembly in what could be an awkward procedure.  You may be too late for this system but keep it in mind for the next time.

   Anyone who ridicules Norm needs counseling.  Norm is a regular guy who helped millions of folks with woodworking and home repairs.  Yes, I cringe sometimes when he brings out the nail gun but we all have our favorite assembly systems and a nail gun does not make anyone a bad person or unskilled woodworker.  Even my friends, who do not know what to do with a screwdriver, know who Norm is - and here we refer to him by first name only and everyone knows who he is.  He may have critics because jealousy is a very powerful emotion. 

6. 
   woodhacker | Mar 16, 2012 08:41pm | #9

   How about double-stick tape?

   FastCap makes "SpeedTape" which seems to be designed for just what you're doing. According to their product description, ' 2"  works great for face frames'. The company refers to it as "Contact cement on a roll". I've not used this particular product, but I've had good results with other FastCap products.

   3M also makes a double coated tape for Woodworking

   . Adhesive goes exactly where needed without masking, brushing, or spraying

   . No Set-up, clamping, equipment, or drying time

   . No liquid mess, overspray or odor

   . For use on particle board, melamine, HPL, wood, plywood, vinyl, foam and mo

   . Application ideas include" edge banding, refacing cabinets, applying wood veneer, etc.

7. 
   BruceS | Mar 17, 2012 10:16pm | #21

   Liquid Hide Glue

   I would use liquid hide glue and Pin nail the face frame till it set.   Hide glue has good open time and nearly as strong as the modern PVA glue.

   But the Fasttrack tape is also a good idea.  That stuff is is super strong but not better than the hide glue.