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   saschafer | Jun 18, 2009 10:34pm | #1

   I have the similar Oneida mini-cyclone attached to a Fein vacuum. It works quite well for dust and other small stuff. Trying to suck up big stuff (like handplane shavings) doesn't work too well, because the interior dimensions are just too small, and it eventually gets hung up somewhere. I haven't tried hooking it to a planer or jointer; I suspect the jointer would be fine, but the planer shavings might be big enough to cause the aforementioned problem.

   -Steve

    

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   nboucher | Jun 18, 2009 11:32pm | #2

   Thanks, Steve.

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   Tinkerer3 | Jun 19, 2009 04:26am | #6

   I'll bet you have the straight blades on both your planer and jointer.  I have the Byrd head on the planer which puts out little shavings.  If I were planing a full 20 inches, I doubt if the vac would pick it all up anyway.  I got a 1 HP "dust collector" and it wouldn't any where near collect the output of the jointer until I took out the cross pieces from the throat.  Then I found another set of cross pieces further up in towards the fan but it seems to work okay with them.

   Edited 6/19/2009 10:01 pm ET by Tinkerer3

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   saschafer | Jun 19, 2009 05:50am | #7

   The jointer has a shelix head, but the planer has straight blades. The output of the jointer is almost like pellets--something you'd feed to your pet gerbil.

   -Steve

    

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   Y1RET | Jun 19, 2009 12:18am | #3

   I have the Oneida dust deputy. I ordered two of the clear do it your self-kits for $59 each. They are offering free shipping right now. I got a couple of paint buckets and bolts for $5 and assembled them. They work great. Very little debris makes it to the shop vac, and what did get out of the paint bucket was larger shavings. The very fine dust stayed in the bucket. They are going to be great for using then when sanding.

    

   The clear vue looks like a nice set up but I think the Oneida will do the same job for a lot less money.

    

   http://www.dustdeputy.com/

    

    

   Bob T.

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   nazard | Jun 19, 2009 02:53am | #4

   I have the Clearvue mini-cyclone paired up with the Ridgid vac.  This, with 2" PVC, and lots of blast gates,  comprises my central shop-vac system, which gets a lot of use.  It's great for sawdust and odds-and-ins stuff, not so good for piles of plane shavings that tend to clog up or simply pass through the cyclone.  I do not think this set-up would perform well as a dust collection system - but it is a very effective vac system.

   -Jerry

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   nboucher | Jun 19, 2009 03:25am | #5

   Thanks, Jerry. I tend to sweep up the plane shavings anyway. I sometimes compost them . . .

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   Taigert | Jun 20, 2009 09:06am | #8

   Norman,

   Unless I'm missing something I don't see where it would be an advantage. Your still dumping all the waste into the shop vac, right? I can see where it would help for the cyclone to dump in to a garbage can, and them the fine stuff goes on to the shop vac. That would give you a larger container that needs to be dumped, less often and a lot easier than dumping the shop vac.

   Is there something I'm missing here?

   Taigert

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   nboucher | Jun 21, 2009 06:52am | #9

   Taigert, I'm not entirely sure I understand enough about this product yet. It seems that it would increase efficiency of dust collection because the big problem with using a shop vac for dust collection is that the filter quickly gets clogged, reducing efficiency. Instead of having to be constantly cleaning the filter or replacing it, all you have to do is dump the stuff from inside the vac. The filter stays clear.I'm basically looking for some kind of better dust collection for a shop that has no room for anything . . . Norman

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   Don01 | Jun 21, 2009 09:21am | #11

   Taigert,
   A properly designed cyclone passes very little waste on to the cyclone exhaust.
   If the bottom of the cyclone fills so the waste does not exit the bottom of the cone, then you have a mess being carried over.
   Check out some of the info in the Clear Vue community pages.
   http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/Don

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   Taigert | Jun 21, 2009 01:30pm | #12

   The picture on Clear vue's web site showed the cyclone mounted to the top of the Ridgid Shop vac and dumping into the ridgid shop vac?

   If there was say a 5 gallon pail that it dumped into then I can see where it would be an advantage by not letting all the debris go into the ridgid.

   I'll revisit their site, perhaps I was looking at the wrong product

   Taigert

    

   Edited 6/21/2009 6:35 am ET by Taigert

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   Don01 | Jun 22, 2009 08:44pm | #15

   Taigert,The Clear Vue conversion package provides a stand alone solution which does allow the waste to fall out prior to the blower motor. In this case, they are using the Shop Vac components. The mini cyclone sits between the blower and the canister, so unless the canister overflows, there will be minimal dust carried to the blower/filter unit. I can assure you that wrestling with the cyclone and bin separatlely has its own frustration.
   The advantage to the Clear Vue arrangement is the fact that significantly more debris is collected anywhere else other than in the shop vac filter element. Mounting the cyclone on a 5 gallon pail does not add any capacity advantage, because, if there is significant carry over into the shop vac canister, the filter element will begin to become saturated with dust. The amount of separation in the shop vac is negligible.
   If, after investing in this type of dust collection, one finds that they are spending way to much time emptying the waste, then the size of the requirement has been under estimated.
   To often, dust collection requirements are based on the size of the shop area rather than the type of machinery being used.Don

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   Taigert | Jun 22, 2009 09:09pm | #16

   Don,

   Do you work for Clear Vue, by chance

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   Don01 | Jun 22, 2009 11:07pm | #17

   Interesting concept. Why would you think that?I could have written my reply a bit better. The Clear Vue advantage in this case is it allows you to use an existing or off the shelf shop vac in conjunction with their cyclone. I wouldn't be surpised if some of the Craftsman vacs might fit this as well.
   Having it all together eliminates a lot of hassles.For the record, I strongly support any interest in something other than the standard single stage dust pump.Clear Vue and Oneida make these shop vac addons; JDS, Oneida and others make standalone portable mini cyclones which just have to be a superior solution to the 1 micron felt bag hanging off of a blower.I have experienced the CV06 in action and have no reservations about recommending it.Don

   Edited 6/22/2009 8:36 pm by Don01

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   Don01 | Jun 21, 2009 09:12am | #10

   Norman,
   My brother in law bought the CV06 and attached it to his Rigid shop vac.
   He was building a new home and had a Dewalt DW735 planer in the basement along with his bandsaw.
   He mounted the CV06 on a 20 liter plastic pail.
   The amount of dust carryover to the shop vac canister was absolutely minimal from either the planer or the bandsaw. Of course the pail filled quickly when connected to the planer.
   It does work very well.
   Don

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   Taigert | Jun 21, 2009 01:38pm | #13

   Norman

   This is the picture I was looking at, it shows the cyclone dumping into the original ridgid container.

   I looked through their gallery and there are other ways of setting it up where the cyclone is dumping into a different container. There I can see where it would be a advantage. But not in the pic below. 

   
   

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   Edited 6/21/2009 6:39 am ET by Taigert

   
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   ted | Jun 21, 2009 04:47pm | #14

   Yes it is dumping it into the vac container. The whole point of the cyclone has nothing to do with the frequency of having to empty the container. It has to do with separating everything out of the airstream before it hits the filter. By separating out the large and sub-micron particles the filter stays clean and air is allowed to pass freely. Ever run a shop vac without a bag? The filter quickly becomes clogged and airflow comes to a halt. Not to mention much of the dust that is supposed to be captured actually gets forced through the filter and back into the air.