I was visiting MIL last week-end when I came across a No5 in my late FIL’s workshop. I had previously assumed it was a Stanley under a good layer of dust (he passed away in 1989 & hadn’t done any serious wood work for 5 years before that). Curiosity (& the need to stay out of the kitchen) got the better of me so I cleaned it up a bit & discovered ‘Made in Can’ behind the tote, but no other identifying marks. The plane has been well used with about 1/4″ of blade left, black japaning pretty much gone in any exposed areas with what I suspect are black walnut handle & tote.
Now the FIL was a chippie during & after WWII, & later a woodwork teacher at high school so the origin of this tool is a bit of a mystery to me. I was wondering if this tool was a war effort which somehow ended up in Australia as Bert had told me they were issued some US (& possibly Canadian?) made tools when building hangers for the USAF. My rationale is that local founderies such as Falcon, Turner, Silex & Pope produced carpentry tools during the 1940’s but they were branded, (I believe these companies were not making carpenter’s tools until then). Anyone prepared to guess its origin?
Don
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Several of my Bailey's are made in Canada while some are made in the USA and England. I also have one #3 that was made in Australia. Stanley has been making tools all over the world more many years. I have yet to find that either plane from the same era has little or no differences in terms of fit and finish or use.
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I forgot to mention that the lever cap was missing however I've just lined the Canadian plane up against my Australian made Stanley No5 & apart from 'Made in Can'/'Made in Australia' you'd think they'd come out of the same factory. I spent a little time this morning fettling it & robbed an iron & lever cap from a deceased Record (RIP; it met its maker courtesy of a concrete floor) & it looks like it's found a good home.
Thanks for your interest,
Don
I have a Canadian Stanley 4-1/2. The only difference I can see is that the frog adjustment screw hole was drilled, but never tapped.
Dan T.
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Don,
It's Canadian made - back in the days when there were tarriffs on everything here, except for inter-commonwealth sales, Stanley set up a plant in Canada to allow them to bypass the tarriff system - used to make there and sell to the commonwealth countries. This could be a stalnely plane - just one without the badges and sold here under a generic name.
With a walnut handle, it's probably post war.
Cheers,
eddie
Eddie
With all this talk of FTA s it's hard to remember back to the days of tarriff protection excises, sales taxes & duties that we lived with for decades, now we've got GST & every second item is made in Asia - ahhh progress :-)
You're back in harness after the break I guess?
One more thing: Are you far enough north to have any mills in your area selling KD brush box & if so what sort of price does it go for ($/m3)?
Don
Hi Don,
Yes - back at work and almost in the swing of things.
I've got some brushbox solid stored here - one of the jobs for home is "a coffee table like this to match the countertop." There are about 12 mitred returns in the thing and it has to be moved every week, so I'm putting off making it as long as possible as the design is a doozie. Finally figured how to join it - I've got a horiz mortiser, so I'll cut then mortice the mitres and then dovetail splines/loose tenons out of radiata or a hardwood, so that I've got a right-angled loose tenon. For good measure, the thing will also need stiffening rods - one on top and two on the floor. I'll see if I can find a photo - if I can, I'll put it below
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One supplier that carries brushbox is Trend Timber 02.45775277, Mathews (03) 9874 1666 should carry it - they have a Melbourne sales depot so the freight cost could be cheaper for you - they could put a parcel on as a part pack with 20 tonnes they send to Melb, instead of you paying courier rates (I recall you were about an hour out of Adelaide). Anagote timbers up here, 02 9558 8444, carry this type of wood also.
Failing that and if you want it straight from the mill, your local PO should have a phone book for North Coast of NSW - call the smaller sawmills direct and they should be able to put you in touch with the local wholesaler. It would be cheaper but then you can't see what you're buying.
Brims panels (based S Qld) supply a good quality crown cut veneered board - I've seen their brush box panels and they're blemish free and consistent colour. This is an ex-stock item here in Sydney.
My cost (18 months ago) was approx 200- for 8"x1" rough sawn, 2/3.3, 1/3.6 (I've just stepped out the garage and remeasured - would you believe I threw the invoice away last week when I found it) - makes the cost approx (plus or minus 10%) 4000-/m3. Bear in mind with the explosion in house renovations and the popularity of brush box for the fashionable, vogue style renovations, the suppliers are probably naming their price at the moment.
Anyway, must fly. I've got the two kids in the next room and they're getting rowdy.
Hope this helps,
eddie
Edited 5/1/2004 2:15 am ET by eddie (aust)
Edited 5/1/2004 3:15 am ET by eddie (aust)
I have a Canadian made no4. How it got to Kansas, I'll never know. It has a type 19 body, marked "made in can", Stanley cast in the lever cap and stamped on the blade, and rosewood knob and tote. Probably made around 1950. Good plane.
Michael R
Michael
Might have come down in one of your twisters with Dorothy & Toto :-)
Sometimes I think its the way some of these tools get to where they are now that is often as interesting as the tool itself. My other Stanleys' have rosewood handles/totes as well - I thought it unusual to be walnut but that's probably not the case.
Don
Might have come down in one of your twisters with Dorothy & Toto :-)
I've got a few tornado stories, haveing been a little too close to a couple of them. One hit about a half mile from my house, and I've helped clean up after a couple more, among other things.
They do tend to redistribute things in surprising ways.......
One of our cats is named Dorothy Parker because we found her dropped in a parking lot in Kansas, and Ms Parker is my wife's favorite writer. She could reach pretty far for a joke........... ( at least the cat wasn't dropped by a tornado)
Michael R
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