Hi,
I am in need of opinions/advice regarding the construction of fram and panel sides for a kitchen center island. All four sides will be visible and the doors are standard cope and stick frame and panel construction… As a point of note the panels are raised in the back, not the front, so the front appears “flat”. The rails and stiles are standard 3/4″ thick, but 4″ wide. Pretty vanilla so far.
The island iself is actually two cabinet depths deep, so there are two sets of cabinets back to back with doors and drawers on opposite long sides. On the short sides I would like to build frame and panels to match so there is a consistant look all the way round and since the doors are full overlay, the only way you know that it’s a door and not a fixed panel is becasue it will have a handle and a seam 🙂
Now that I’ve bored you with the setup, the question is that since the side paneles will be structural (supporting a very heavy soapstone top) and not readily visible from the inside. I’d like to know if I can get away with deviating from the standard frame and floating panel deisgn. What I am proposing to do is construct the side out of 3/4″ maple ply, then mill the 3/4″ hard maple stock that I would normally use for the rails and stile down to 1/4″. I would then just route the face edge of the cope and stick and attach that to the plywood as a frame. From the outside view it would match exactly and using the solid plywood makes the case construction a bit simpler.
Question is, is this a bad idea, does anyone have a better suggestion? If this is a good way to go, how would you attach the “frame” to the plywood — glue, brads, etc…
Sorry for being so long winded.
Thanks in advance and happy holidays to you and yours…
Cheers,
Michael
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Michael,
Glue and spring clamps - would work just fine.
I assume that the edge of the plywood is hidden in the design.
Cheers,
eddie
edit: I'm still a trifle unsure of how your face frame will be level with the face of the ply if it's a planted moulding - consider routing a shallow rebate, if appropriate, to sink the moulding into - should not affect the structural integrity of the unit providing that the ply still bears the weight and not the 1/4" thick moulding.
Hope that this, in turn, makes complete sense.
Edited 12/22/2004 3:14 pm ET by eddie (aust)
Thanks Eddie. Any plywood edging that would be visible (there are no face frames) have maple hardwood edge banding. What I'm wondering though is whether what I am talking about is standard practice or not for this type of situation? In other pieces that I have looked at, that appears to be the case, but it's hard to tell on a fully assembled piece. The usual concern is seasonal movement of the panel of course, in this case my concern was the slight movement of the frame and the fact that it would be glued to a panel that will not move...Thanks again.
Casleworks,You could make the moulding as a bolection-type moulding that wraps around the edge of the ply - that way no-one could tell the difference.To do this, cut a very big rebate from the stock - only leaving your 1/4" behind and wasting the rest.Just food for thought.eddieedit - don't be concerned with movement in your case
Edited 12/22/2004 3:19 pm ET by eddie (aust)
Eddie,Thanks again.Have a very happy holiday-Michael
One thing to be aware of, the maple veneer probably won't look quite like any of the solid wood in the cabinet and the difference may not be apparent until after you apply the finish. This is more likely to occur with cheaper veneered plywoods rather than the best grades, but even the best may not look exactly like the solid wood.
To get around this you could build the end panels from solid wood the way you built the doors and then attach the panels to a sheet of 3/4 ply for structural strength. This is how I would probably do the job rather than take the risk of a mismatch.
John W.
That's a very good point and I'd thought about that a bit. I have already built all of the rest of the kitchen cabinets with a combination of ply interiors (hard maple) and solid wood (soft maple)-- although all frame and panel work in the other cabinets is all hardwood. I found that after finishing (Waterlox) they are not an exact match but very close.....The real story here is that I need to get the case built quickly as the tops are scheuled to be installed next week... doors, drawers, etc.. don't matter, but I need a sturdy carcass. I like you suggestion though -- I could build the sides out of ply and then attach the real frame and panel later...Good idea, thanks again.--M
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