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The Mysterious Case of the Exploding Shellac Can
comments (42) November 19th, 2009 in blogs
Remember how your mom taught you never to eat anything out of a bulging tin can? You know, the botulism warning? Turns out it goes the same for shellac as well -- sort of.
This afternoon I found myself in the FWW workshop during my lunch break. My aim was to use some clear shellac purchased this morning at the local hardware store to finish some walnut and maple picture frame molding I put together last night. I set the can down on my finishing table, broke out a flathead screwdriver and proceeded to pry off the lid when, WHAM, the top shot off like a champagne cork and a shower of shellac droplets filled the air. After a short trip to the bathroom to throw out one of my now-contaminated contact lenses and use the emergency eyewash, I figured I might as well give the moldings a quick coat before setting off to purchase new lenses. Trouble was, my clear shellac was actually . . . brown!
No worries, I thought, I'm sure it's just this particular brand. It'll dry clear. So, now I've got some beautiful walnut moldings with maple stringing that's been stained into oblivion. I'm hoping to use a small block plane to shave off the top layer and get back to clear maple but, who knows!
Oh, and the shellac can? Well, it was manufactured in June of 2005, making it well past its prime.
Has anyone out there had a similar experience with old shellac? If so, I'd be curious to hear about it in the comments section below. As for me, I'll be cursing myself for at least as long as it takes me to plane through my stained maple so please, commiserate away! I could use the laugh.
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Comments (42)
Posted: 9:04 pm on December 13th
Posted: 4:16 pm on December 7th
Posted: 6:47 pm on December 6th
Discolouration of the shellac solution is typical of polymerisation or oxidation of the shellac in the can. Discoloured shellac will not have the same properties as freshly dissolved shellac and the deeper the brown tint, the worse the properties are likely to be. Commercially made pre-dissolved shellac contains a stabiliser (anti-oxidant)which extends the shelf life considerably, but not indefinitely.
The best answer is to use only shellac which not discoloured not cloudy, or which has a sludge settled at the bottom of the can. Or to use a freshly made solution.
Posted: 12:07 pm on December 5th
Posted: 11:31 am on December 5th
Posted: 5:20 am on December 5th
Posted: 8:53 pm on December 4th
Posted: 11:03 pm on December 3rd
Were the cans of amber shellac just as old as the clears?
Posted: 6:04 pm on December 3rd
Sure enough the cans of clear shellac were bulging and they
looked like they were ready to blow. They were dated 4/05.
Needless to say, I immediately yanked them from the shelf.
The cans of amber shellac were fine.
Posted: 5:07 pm on December 3rd
Posted: 4:08 pm on December 3rd
Posted: 3:15 pm on December 3rd
Here's the rub with the "ester" theory. Even if the alcohol and acid combined to form and esther, it doesn't explain the buildup of pressure in the can.
When I returned to the hardware store to clue in the shopkeeper, I took him over to a few of the other cans he had in there - all of which had bulging lids. That's a considerable amount of pressure. What is producing all that gas??
Still waiting on a couple of manufacturer explanations. No doubt folks are checking with attorneys, worrying about God knows what. I did of course make it clear that this wasn't their fault. These cans had bene sitting on the shelf for YEARS.
Cheers,
Ed
Posted: 2:08 pm on December 3rd
Posted: 12:29 pm on December 3rd
I tend to disagree. I've used both - premixed and flakes - and to be honest, I've been quite happy with the final product acheived using both products. Of course in the end, this is all subjective.
Cheers,
-Ed
Posted: 11:24 am on December 3rd
Get some shellac flakes and a gallon of alcohol and simply mix your own as needed. It's easy, cost effective and you'll have the choice of several grades to achieve different colors.
Posted: 11:05 am on December 3rd
Posted: 9:33 am on December 3rd
Many thanks for all the interesting theories, suggestions and tips. This is exactly what the blog community was meant to provide.
Cheers,
-Ed
Posted: 9:32 am on December 3rd
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Posted: 1:42 am on December 3rd
Posted: 4:29 pm on December 2nd
Thanks for the insights.
Posted: 2:18 pm on November 26th
Safety first!!!
Posted: 11:35 pm on November 25th
Posted: 3:35 pm on November 25th
Posted: 12:44 pm on November 25th
If I was using shellac on a real project, I'd test the stuff first, or more likely just mix some fresh from flakes so I knew what I had. It dissolves pretty quickly if you grind it up in a coffee grinder first (I wouldn't do that with the "rawer" type of flakes, though; I wouldn't know if I ever got all the bug parts out).
Posted: 8:58 am on November 25th
I have always presumed that enough moisture had gotten in with the air when the can was open,and that it had worked its way to the bottom of the can where it rusted. However, the other posts give me different ideas.
Now, I only buy quart cans of shellac and check the dates carefully, both when I buy and when I use the product. My floor still has a heavy shellac coating.
Posted: 10:43 am on November 24th
Posted: 9:45 pm on November 23rd
Shellac resin is an organic acid (mainly aleuritic and shelloic acid) and the alcohol/shellac solution is acidic. If the liner for the can is compromised which does happen now and then where the welding seam is then hydrogen gas slowly forms inside the can.
Report your experience to Wm Zinsser Co (the manufacturer) and while I'm sure they will take care of you one way or another. It's a known occurence. They will probably want some information from the can so they can backtrack to the can lot. However I will say that your date indicates a product 4 years old.
Posted: 7:25 pm on November 23rd
RENO PAUL
Posted: 11:38 am on November 23rd
Anyhow, the frame came out nicely so, in the end, all is well.
Thanks all, for your comments and suggestions.
Cheers,
Ed
Posted: 9:27 am on November 23rd
So I used the whole can over a series of projects, lightening or omitting the stains to account for the darkness of the "clear" shellac. Imagine my surprise when I eventually replaced the can with a fresh one!
Posted: 6:28 am on November 23rd
Alcohol does not ferment - it is a fermentation product.
Alcohol does not react with metal under any conditions which can possibly be encounterd in normal life.
Bacteria are killed by strong alcohol so the only thing left is a contaminant which reacted with the metal to produce hydrogen gas.
This could be either an acid -which would attack both the tin lining (if there is one) or the iron- or a caustic alkali which would attack the tin or possibly zinc if present.
I suggest you report this to the manufacturer.
Posted: 1:43 am on November 22nd
Posted: 5:23 pm on November 21st
Posted: 10:59 pm on November 20th
Posted: 3:38 pm on November 20th
I haven't returned to the hardware store yet to exchange the can but before I do, I'll have a look at the condition of the inside. I'll let you know what I find.
Luckily, the stained maple came right off with a few passes of the block plane. Phew!
Posted: 9:12 am on November 20th
Cheers --- Larry Marshall, aka woodnbits
Posted: 7:54 am on November 20th
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