Hello all: When I just got into woodworking and was buying all kinds of wood and tools I bought four large boards of yellowheart (8/4 x 10 x 48). I have now read that this stuff is quite unstable; what are the best uses for it? I can resaw it if necessary. Thanks, KDM
Kenneth Duke Masters
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In my opinion, yellow heart is best used as an accent wood, either in combination with other "colored" woods or with a primary wood for contrast -- say, walnut.
By the way, your use of conservative credentials is going to turn off about 50% of the people who post here.
"your use of conservative credentials is going to turn off about 50% of the people who post here." Not sure about the 50% (I can hope!) but I don't like anyone's "credentials" -- conservative, liberal, Evangenlical or atheist -- thrown up in an in-your-face sorta way. Never understood that approach.....forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
A "badge of honor" perhaps? A mirror of one's passion? In any case, it demarks a line of separation from others who don't subscribe to the same ideology. Much better to find a path that joins rather than one that separates, don't you find?Off to Tarpon Springs for the weekend...
Jim: Do you mean a path like Chamberlain went down with Hitler? What kind of path would we be on with the Islamic fascists who want to destroy us? It is not ideology; it is survival. It was not only N.Y.C. and Washington D.C. attacked on 9/11 it was our country! From Florida to Washington State. Wake up!!
Enjoy your weekend.
KDM
Kenneth Duke MastersThe Bill of Rights December 15 1791NRA Endowment MemberLEAA Life MemberCRPA Member
Edited 5/28/2005 9:35 pm ET by duke-one
"Much better to find a path that joins rather than one that separates, don't you find?"
Jim,
I wish I could remember who wrote the following: "Whenever you divide people into 'Us' and 'Them,' you automatically become one of 'Them.'"
I guess some people like to announce the fact that they are dividers, and not uniters; perhaps we should view their unsolicited pronouncements of bias as a favor - like the rattling of a poisonous snake!-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Yup, the "us and them" issue is a big one, but an even bigger one is passing judgement on somebody's motive or reasoning and, since I wasn't given any special ability to do that, I'm trying to understand my own limitations before zinging somebody else. That keeps me very, very busy.
Edited 5/31/2005 5:34 pm ET by JimMacMahon
Mea culpa
I guess that makes me a poisonous snake ; - (-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Ha! Always did wonder what made somebody take up the string bass. (That from and old reed player.)
Jim,
The gig is going really well. I mean really well.
The crowd is going wild--people are dancing, yelling, and applauding loudly after every song, and the house is packed.
There's someone who looks to be a talent agent in the back. The whole band is having a great night, hitting every groove, pulling off every detail to get it right.
The guitarist thinks, "We're going to be famous. I'm going to be famous! Everyone's going to know my name. I'm going to get a lot of sex."
The drummer thinks "We're going to be rich, so rich. I'm going to buy a ton of gear."
The singer/rhythm guitarist thinks, "This is wonderful. I can finally support my designer drug habit."
The bassist thinks, " G - D- C- D- G."
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Hey Jazz, WAKE UP, WAKE UP MAN, I think you must be sleep-typing or something. LOL.
That "G -D-C-D-G" looks like you must be playing a country song in your dreams. Shouldn't there be some sharps in there to jazz things up a little bit?
"WAKE UP MAN"
Did you hear about the bassist who showed up early for the gig? When the bandleader commented on his timely arrival, the bassist said, "I must have underslept!"
Guess that explains why one of my best musician buddies (a drummer), after a particularly hectic week, explained that he finally managed to rest and recover over the weekend, saying, "I slept like a bassplayer!"
Did you hear what the rock & roll bass player said after he kicked his decades-old drug habit? "Wow, man, this music's really boring!"
Three NotesSo, three notes walk into a bar -- a G, an Eb, and a C.The bartender looks up and says "We don't serve minors."So the Eb leaves and the other two have a fifth between them.After a few drinks, the G was out flat, and the experience was diminished.Eventually, the C sobers up, sees one of his friends missing, the other one passed out, and realizes to his horror that he's under a rest.C was brought to trial, found guilty and convicted of contributing to the diminution of a minor and was sentenced to 10 years of DS without Coda at the Paul Williams/Neil Sedaka Correctional Facility*****************************
I've got a million of 'em!<!----><!---->
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
I thought it was traditional for the drummer to be the butt of jokes, as in:-
How can you tell when the stage is level?
The drummer dribbles out of both sides of his mouth.
IanDG
"I thought it was traditional for the drummer to be the butt of jokes"
Ian,
As in "So many drummers, so little time..."
23rd Psalm for Bassists
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The Lord is my drummer, I shall not rush.
He maketh me to lay out in tasteful places
He leadeth me beside cool meter changes.
He restoreth the "one".
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Yea though I read through the trickiest
charts, I will fear no evil.
For You are with it.
Your ride and Your snare, they comfort me.
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Thou prepareth a solo before me
In the presence of mine guitarists.
Thou annointeth my lines with soul.
My groove runneth over.
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Surely, goodness and music will come from me
all the days of my life.
And I will dwell in the pocket
forever and ever.
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Oh that was funny, and a good way to start the morning with a good laugh.On another note though. You seem to be in a good position this week with the FS conference coming to your city. Are you a member and taking part in those activities?
Hi RB,
Yes and I'm still "arm-wrestling" with my very full and somewhat conflicted schedule as to whether completing paying projects will allow me time to drive out to S.D.S.U. for the festivities. Somehow, I always seem to have more paying jobs than time between semesters!-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
Thank you for that plucky response rather than stringing me along. Have you ever seen bowed wood?
forestgirl
I usually find myself agreeing with you, but never as much as I agree with you on this one.
Jeff
I hope 50% is low on this one but recent events in the US tell me that it is high.
Philip
Stop whining and move to Canada y'all...
AJ: WOP lives in Italy!!Kenneth Duke Masters
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You go girl!!!
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Jim/FG: Thanks for the yellowheart tip; if it is best used as accent wood I'll be accenting for the next 100 years. The four boards are about 60lbs each!
As far as the tag line under my posts it goes everywhere I do. It is easy enough to ignore and I think nothing is gained by being "obscure" about my convictions. I live in Berkeley Ca. and don't do anything to "give in" to local sensibilities(??). More importantly by miles is that in the middle of WW3 we all need to be talking about the future of our country and in a larger sense western civilization. If we ignore it "we" will go away.Kenneth Duke Masters
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The only time I've ever used it was as 1/8" thick liners inside small decorative boxes made of kingwood. It was a pretty nice wood to machine and provided a nice contrast color to the darker wood of the boxes. But I'd have to make an awful lot of boxes to use up the amount that you have-:)
Waddaya mean it wont fit through the door?
Yellowheart is a nice wood to work with, but watch out for splinters!
First, I assume that when you say yellowheart, it is pau amarello, aka brazilian satinwood. If not, ignore the rest of this message, as I discuss my experience with yellowheart, aka pau amarello, aka...
I recently built a 60x24 coffee table (for an art show) using yellowheart as one of the two main wood species, and it received very positive reviews when shown. YH has a nice warm golden color with a shimmering figure that looks good when finished with O/V. It mills well, sands/planes well, and is quite hard. It is a fine wood and should not be thought of as "just an accent wood." The color is bold, but not overwhelming (and there will be those who prefer it over a paler oak or maple wood).
As far as stability, I started with 8/4 stock and resawed for 4/4 lumber. I let it sit for two weeks, and did not find any significant warping, cupping, etc., despite noticing some checking in the wood (that is, no case hardening noted). It seems as stable as most woods I like to work with, and perhaps even more so. I don't know where you read that it is unstable...
The coffee table can be viewed at http://home.comcast.net/~paulchapko/gallery.html
Hope this helps.
Paul,
Nice website! My fave is indeed your bubinga-yellowheart coffee table, but the design/construction details on all your pieces are terrific.
Clay
Duke, I have to second Forestgirl's comments. Knots split off the "cafe" from the rest of the forum because the political discussions were so polarized and divisive.
I'd suggest that you leave the challenging in-your-face acronyms behind and just talk about what unites use in this part of the forum - wood working. Leave the politics that divides us to another venue.
Please
PS: When Knots split the cafe off, I made a concious decision not to go the cafe anymore. The nasty polictial diatribe, including my own, is not what I come here for.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your love and skill for woodworking. I'd much rather be discussing how I sliced veneer out of the Northwest Timbers quilted maple tonight than red vs. blue. It was by far the most expensive board I ever bought!
Ditto your remark. < PS: When Knots split the cafe off, I made a concious decision not to go the cafe anymore. The nasty polictial diatribe, including my own, is not what I come here for.> There is a ignore button that you can click if you don't like someone holding a virtual gun in your face while threatening WW III.
RootBurl: Are you that sensitive to my little tag line? Like I said the signature can be ignored and with a mouse click my posts can be ignored. One point I'd like to make though is that WW3 is on right now; don't ignore that it won't go away.
KDM
Kenneth Duke MastersThe Bill of Rights December 15 1791NRA Endowment MemberLEAA Life MemberCRPA Member
Edited 5/29/2005 10:37 am ET by duke-one
KDM -- I don't think (in general) "we" are saying we're "sensitive" or can't take the sight of your list of credentials. Just pointing out that your signature rings a divisive tone. In other words, rather than presenting yourself as a fellow woodworker and human being, your signature sets a 'me vs. you' tone and focuses on what you feel sets you apart (and possibly makes you superior?).
I don't have any fantasy that you'll change it, and I probably won't discuss it any more in this thread (the whole topic probably should be moved to the cafe). Just chiming in with my perspective -- my reaction isn't any different than it would be if you were praising the Lord effusively with every post or beating a drum about gay rights. It's the "in-your-face," divisive aspect that's rather irritating.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Sorry you took offence. Let's get back to woodworking.
You are just sullenly determined to drag this back to higher ground, aren't you?C. Miller
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PETA die-hard
PITA, lifetime membership
Yeah, but it ain't too appreciated. Might as well be sanding something.
PETA die-hard
************People Embarrassing Tidewater Again?Leon Jester
PETA? A few years ago, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" sued a guy that had the site "PETA.COM". He was a serious wise guy and he called the site "People Eating Tasty Animals". I almost crashed the truck when I heard this.I like animals and clearly favor good treatment of animals. For me this also includes eating some of them. I agree a little with each side in most of these issues. But what I really love is a good pun, and that was among the best!!
Edited 5/31/2005 12:58 am ET by telemiketoo
Getting back to the wood...I've seen a lot of older pieces (Sheraton and Hepplewhite come to mind) that used Satinwood. I'm assuming that Satinwood came from India back in the day. Doesn anyone know what the differences between the Satinwoods (Brazillian, Indian or otherwise)are?aak
East Indian satinwood (aka "satinwood") is a different species from brazilian satinwood, which is another name for yellowheart (aka Pau Amarello). East Indian Satinwood is less yellow and, imo, has a slightly finer grain texture than Brazilian "satinwood." The threshold between my front foyer and living room is satinwood, and it has a wonderful texture and color that goes well with white oak floors.
Both woods are available at and can be seen at hearnehardwoods.com
Sorry to interrupt the sniping session to talk about woods (why don't you weenies take it over to the cafe?)Recommending the use of "Hide Signatures" option under "My Preferences" since 2005
Paul: I don't remember the Latin name or if it was even advertised at the place I bought the "yellowheart" from. It is very heavy and looks close grained. Would all the possible varieties you mentioned work more or less the same?
Thanks, KDM
PS: My little signature raised quite a ruckus, not my intention, it has been there and is used not to start fights but to just state my personal "tilt". I use it everywhere. Kind of like a bumper sticker or licence plate frame or t-shirt. I don't think it is out of place anywhere but I am sorry for the distraction. KDMKenneth Duke Masters
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The biggest difference I've seen between East Indian Satinwood (EIS) and yellowheart (YH) is that YH is more yellow than EIS. Another difference is the EIS I have did warp more after resawing than the YH, but this could be just for the board I had, and not typical of EIS.
YH and EIS both have nice, shimmery grain and take a clear stain exceptionally well. I don't see a problem in using one over the other.
Try http://www.hobbithouseinc/personal/woodpics for pictures of EIS and YH, and see if you can figure out what you have.
Good luck with your project.Recommending the use of "Hide Signatures" option under "My Preferences" since 2005
No offence whatsoever. A democracy is a place where you can waive the flag of your beliefs in any forum.
G'day Duke.
I am not in disagreement with your concerns, however, if I wanted to listen to (or read) a harangue about any political convictions that anyone may have I would not look for information on a woodworking site. Very disturbing!!
Woodsy
Woodsy: My original post just asked about the uses of Yellowheart which I purchased four pieces of a while back and recently saw some negative comments on its usability. That was it!
KDM Kenneth Duke Masters
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I'm a former (sort of) trombonist so I can say this,What do you call a Trombonist with a pager? An optimist.Did you hear about the band with three musicians and a drummer? (Sorry had to get my drummer shot in).And the pianist who when asked to play a request said, " No I don't know that song. How about this one? It has some of the same notes in it."Mark
Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with an ax.
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Advice from the trenches:
The Facts of Life for Playing in Clubs and Restaurants <!----><!---->
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· Unless you are in a concert situation, most of the people are not there to hear you. Your music is incidental. People go to restaurants and bars to eat, to drink, to socialize, do business, or maybe to be alone in a crowd. So if you reach some of them and entertain them, you've done a hell of a job.<!---->
· Any volume is too loud for someone.<!---->
· The talent of anyone who wants to sit in is inversely proportional to how insistent he or his friends are about his sitting in. The most talented musician that you would really like to play with will be sitting there quietly and will have left his axe in the car.<!---->
· Most people sitting at a piano-bar don't think about the physics of a microphone boom. They will playfully poke the weighted end of the boom slamming the microphone into your lips and teeth while you're singing.<!---->
· The crowd would rather hear a terrible rendition of "Sweet Caroline" than the tastiest arrangement of one of your originals that they've never heard before.
· The customer who asked for "Sweet Caroline", his favorite song, won't realize you're playing it until you actually reach the word "Sweet".
· Someone in the crowd will have halfway heard you play "Sweet Caroline" and it will remind him of the song so he'll request it right after you've just played it.
· Nobody at the restaurant will care, or even hear, the hip chords you're playing for the song they requested - They want to hear the song played exactly like they heard it on the radio.
· In most restaurants, your main objective is to try to entertain without bothering anybody.
· Unless you want to marry her and be the one who takes her home every night, don't hitch your star to a girl singer.
· Most of the "professional" singers asking to sit in with you will not know their keys.
· Always have an extra microphone available and hooked up. Girl singers(sometimes guys) will always leave lipstick on the end of the mike.
· It almost makes you giddy when a singer sits in, knows their tunes, keys, tempos and knocks everybody out. If you play in restaurants or lounges, make sure you're comfortable with keys. Most professional girl singers sing about a fourth away from the original and won't accept a half-step difference.
· Make sure horn players don't warm up on the stage. There's nothing like having a romantic meal at a fine restaurant and suddenly hearing a loud alto sax playing 'bird licks and scales'.
· Your slowest night, with the most obnoxious crowd and the worst response, is immeasurably better than the best day you ever had at a day job!!!
-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
I bet I've played sunny side of the street more times than you have. Well, at least Anchors Away.
Jim,
I can't say that I've ever been asked to play Anchors Aweigh, but I've played a few different arrangements of On the Sunny Side of the Street over the years, the most unusual of which was probably the arrangement popularized by Willie Nelson.-Jazzdogg-
Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right.
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