Would anyone with experience of trade use of SCMS saws care to comment on the different 12in saws available – particularly the downsides! I’m starting to do kitchens and I reckon I’m going to need a 12in SCMS to handle deep crown mouldings on site. The easy choice would seem to be the the deWalt DW708, but howe does the Makita LS1212 compare, or for that matter do Milwaulkee, Ryobi or Bosch offer anything equivalent?
Scrit
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Ryobie is not a contenter here.
The DW isn't too bad a saw but it's not for the long haul.
Lots are in favor for the Makitia. I don't much care for them.
Milwaukee hasn't released their 12" yet. Their 10' is a real soild work horse.
Now that leaves the Bosch. That's the animal.....
Do a search here and over at Breaktime on miter saws and be prepared to be over whelmed.
i have the Miwaukee and Bosch saws.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
I've used the DW708 and I have to say I like it...I've heard people complain about bad bearings and something else, but that was on the earlier models, I believe. I personally like the way the handle is set up...It just feels better than the way Makita has theirs(at least on their 10") Another plus for the DW708 if you are doing deep crown is its very high fence. I believe Makita's is fairly low. Again, I base this Makita on its 10" model. There are several questions on miter saws, so look around here and Breaktime should have hundreds. I actually tried to get the DW708, but it never came from ebay...Now I'm out big bucks
First forget Ryobi, they go out of alignment and the guards stick after awhile till you break it of because it drives you towards insanity. the other brands you mentioned are quality tools Millwalkee , Bosch I have the DeWalt 12 Dw708 and the only down side about that is the weight , and I took care of that with the folding miter saw stand by Rigid, it has wheels and saw can mount to stand and stay on it. Its great for crown molding but my biggest supprise was not expected I can take a 24in wide peice of plywood cut half through it flip it over cut the rest of the way and with a nice blade and the right speed sliding the blade there is no ripout. great for cutting shelves quickly even some doors down to size in a pinch.
Your choice should be either the makita or bosch. Accurate, rock solid and are well built.
i install kitchens full time and have used a dewalt 12 inch single compound for years
it easily cuts crown molding(kitchen craft) in maple, cherry or oak with flawless miters, my old 10 inch just barely did
i cut my crown using a block of scrap to hold the mounting flange at the right height and dont use the compound at all
use a top quality blade and sharpen it every 3 or 4 jobs
i dont pin the miters at all(just glue)(its prefinished) and the saw makes the job easy
caulking is not a piece of trim
hi
i use the 12" dewalt but if i had to buy another saw i think i would go for the hitachi
slide compound
Scrit
As everyone else said, forget about ryobi, for everything. They are homeowner junk. I've used the Dewalt 12" - to heavy to carry from job to job, in my opinion not a finish saw. Makita 10" - pretty good but not as accurate on larger moldings. Hitachi 10" - by far the best saw I've ever used
Dave
Then there is the Milwaukee 10" and Bosch 12" and in last place everybody else...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
My bucks are on the Bosch. I had one in the shop and never had a problem with it. I hauled it around to several jobs also and although it was a bit heavy it was always up to any job I threw at it.
The big draw back is the cost of the 12 " blades and the lack of interchangability with other circular saws in the shop. Thats something to think about when you zing a blade on a job site and can't borrow one from somebone nearby or even buy a temp blade at the local hardware store.
James
P.S. The 12" has a 1" arbor which is why the blades don't normally interchange with a 10" or 8" blade.
Edited 4/21/2004 1:37 pm ET by James
if i had to buy another miter saw i would buy a hitachi slide
I am a trim carpenter and don't own a scms right now, (that's if you don't count the Delta Sawbuck which I still use on occasion). I have used many of them and they all have their good points. Without question I think the best all around saw for trim has been my 12" single comp Dewalt. I'm ditto with what Steve said. The scms are great and I intend to get one probably this summer, they give you that much more flexibility for certain cuts. I was going to get the Dewalt expecially after having such good luck with my nonslider for the past 8 years, but now after using several scms I think either the Makita or the Bosch would do you well. If either one of them made as high a fence as Dewalt, there would be no hesitation.
I swore by the Makita, but grew up and got the bosch (12") - never looked back.
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