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M,
Don got banned for naughty remarks (or rather, because someone welched and moaned about them to the moderator). I too miss his sabre-swipes and stabs albeit they were sometimes rather vigorous and applied also with vim. Fools were often beheaded on the spot.
Still, his ghost remains.
Lataxe, a Dgreen fan
Thank you for that info, sir. I also wondered where DG was but had a feeling that what you stated was most likely the culprit. DG was to the point and didn't waste time being diplomatic to get there. I really liked DG as I just accepted that he was just being DG which was reality without ornamentation attempting to be pretty.
Regards...
Sarge..
Sarge,
" reality without ornamentation attempting to be pretty."
You may be on to something. A very obtuse piece of prose if I may say so.
-nazard
A spade is a spade, regardless of how you camouflage it. :>)
Regards...
Sarge..
Sarge,
When they kick you off of Knots for a while, do they kick you off completely -- that is, under all names, or just under the name you were using when you were getting rambunctious? We all know at least one person who uses multiple names here on Knots, although he only has one personality.I wonder if DG is still around? I miss him too. "Rambunctious" is not my style, but what the heck. I like "incisive". I would rather the Knots police let the Knotheads do their own policing. It is easy to ignore something that one finds displeasing. Have fun.
MelPS HELLO TO DON IF YOU ARE LISTENING!Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
I'm not sure, Mel. But.. we all know that some post under various stage names and can usually be easily identified by MO. If Don were doing that, I have certainly not picked it up. But then again.. I sort of spot read when I see a subject of interest as I stay very busy down-stairs in the shop.
So.. it's a maybe..... or maybe not I suppose?
BTW.. good to speak to you as I haven't seen you post in a while.. but then again I may just be at the wrong place at the wrong time and you may have been posting all along?
Regards...
Sarge..
Sarge, I don't think Don would ever post under more than one name -- He||, he uses his real name for pity sake, not even an alias (insert: guffaw). He's not like some we will not name nor describe.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I too miss Don, not least for his mad swipes at the puffed-up, over-unctious or purveyors of plain-stoopid. When there is a well-known sabre-tooth about, one merely keeps to the high ground when it roars and, as Sarge has pointed out, comes to terms with the is-ness of the naughty world around us.
The thing about Don is he knows he goes OTT and even feels a tidge of remorse in many cases. One merely needs to keep this in mind if one of his lashes catches one's back. Also, were he allowed back I'm sure he would evolve his techniques for dealing with interlocutors who over-stimulate his roar-gland, so that he remained within the boundary labelled "Do Not Eat The Visitors".
Can we start a "Bring Back Don" campaign?
Lataxe, recognising that wounds heal.
"Can we start a "Bring Back Don" campaign"?.... Sir Lataxe of the British Lataxes
Perhaps you just did...
And while I have your attention.. enjoy your stay at the castle. I'm sure the management has looked at your resume and most likely reserved a room in the dungeon for you based on that. And keep those dark, reflective sunglasses that you can turn you eyes 180 degrees left or right without the Lady Wife realizing your intentions of viewing the beach bunnies to a minimum. You can only get away with so much before she is on to you and your eye gets darkened without putting them on. :>)
And you "booger" boarding or whatever.. it didn't happen until we see pictures of such nonsense. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..
Regards....
Sarge..
Your right about Don using his real name... but if one felt a strong need to converse with those that they share common ground with.. and if one were to realize that the only way to do that would be to re-structure their mode.. then you might see them use another name to create a new beginning.
I saw that recently on another forum I visit with it culminating in the new name starting a thread to tell everyone what he did... explain the mental hard-ships that led to his former attitude.. and basically apologize for his actions. The moderators bumped heads off-line.. took into account just how helpful to others the new name had been while using it.. pardoned him and he now post under his real name which is what he did before.
Shall we say that a Knots "Witness Protection Program" could be created by someone using another web address easily enough as we already know.. giving one a new beginning. And realizing that the old ways would not be accepted, so a change would have to occur to continue to do business in a fashionable manner.
The truth is out there somewhere.... maybe closer than we realize without putting things under a micro-scope and careful examination. :>)
Regards...
Sarge..
Sarge,
Thanks for the nice words. Since I retired back in January, I have been busier than ever before. I only do woodworking as a hobby, or rather as a passion - but not as a money making venture. I have been teaching myself the ancient art of bowl making. It started when I saw Rip Mann selling his "hand-hewn" bowls for more than $500 apiece at the Waterford, VA arts and crafts festival two years ago. I went to the show to meet Ray Pine, and I did, but I also met some other excellent woodworkers. Rip makes his bowls with a two pound adze that he also sells for $350 apiece. I bought another adze for $85 and gave it a whack. It took too long for my taste, so I started using a 2.5" #7 Pfeil gouge for hollowing and it went faster -- I could hollow out a bowl in a day, and I required a week of bedrest afterwards. :-) But I made about a half dozen bowls in this fashion. Satisfying but very hard work. I figured that the artistic part of it is only a tenth of the work. Most of it was in removing enough wood to get to the fun part.SO - I got interested in power carving. I bought some King Arthur Tools "Lancelots" (4" diameter) chain saw blades for my angle grinder, and some Kutzall carving dishes for my angle grinder, and a Guinevere sanding machine which has inflatable "end effectors" which are covered in sandpaper, and began to learn how to make a bowl with the tools the Indians would have used in making canoes if they had electricity and angle grinders. Unfortunately there are no books or articles on how to do this, so I just gave it a go. What I found is that the little chain saws are not as dangerous as I feared. (I am VERY conservative, and careful.) And I quickly learned how to hollow out a bowl and shape the outside VERY ROUGHLY with the Lancelots. Then I use a very rough Kutzall carving dish to smooth that out and do some less aggressive shaping. Then I move to a less aggressive Kutzall to smooth and refine the shape. Then I go to the Guinevere sanding machine and go through four grits, and voila, a nice bowl (at least that is my wife's reaction). I have become so involved in learning how to find "green wood", learning about the power tools, learning about bowl styles, learning how to dry green wood without it cracking, etc, ... that I have been spending less time on Knots. Can you imagine - "woodworking" taking someone away from Knots for a period of time?!?!?!?! Sorry for the long response. Thought you'd get a kick out of my new learning experience. I am not "pushing" the use of power carving tools. I really enjoy carving with gouges, which I have done for close to 40 years. I just wanted to climb this personal "Mt. Everest". I have done so, and am writing an article on it. I have been on Knots "regularly but quickly. I have been posting in that 3000 post thread in the Hand Tools Folder. It is sort of like a chat room or "Cafe" for easy-going people -- no arguments -- no pompous BS -- just easygoing woodworkers having fun. There is no constant topic. Just people stopping by and responding to what the last person said, or posting a new thought. It is very congenial -- probably too congenial for most folks on Knots -- especially the more argumentative. It may last another week or forever. Who knows?So as Paul Harvey says, "Now you know Part 2 of the story."
Have fun.
Mel
PS I feel it in my bones that Don is still here.Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Whoa Mel.. you are quite busy and I was not aware you dropped into the hand tools section as I rarely go there. I do use quite a few on every project as I cut my teeth on them, but at this point most of the initial machining is done with my machines.
Some glue-up just won't make it through a 20" planer as evidenced this last Saturday. Two side panels 19 1/2" did but the top is 22" wide with the grain so the hand plane got the call. Frankly I could not live without both but if I did.. the hand tools would reign as they are not limited by size of piece and most of my junk is larger carcasses.
Sounds as if you are honing chain saw's down to a science. Perhaps if they make another one of those B movies like "Texas Chain-Saw Massacre, you will get a job offer to be the technical director or whatever those Hollywood boys call it. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..
And I know what you mean about being busier retired than before. I retired by default back in October and am highly considering getting a job to get some rest. I interviewed for one last Thursday but don't really expect to get it. I am being very selective as I will only do something I want to do and not what I am forced to do to pay bills. Until I come face to face with that scenario, it is a simple.. Appreciate the offer, but no thank you sir or ma'am.
Again.. good to hear from ya and know you're busy which is all good!
Regards...
Sarge..
Mel, a few years back I ran / moderated a forum and we had a troll. To get rid of him, we axed twenty-six screen names. Probably was some sort of record. But he had a style that was so strong, you'd instantly recognize him. Anyway, this guy was a real trip.
Denny,
It really is hard to figure out who to excommunicate.
I tend to be quite tolerant about letting folks act foolish if they want. Foolish behavior on Knots is disappointing to me, but on Knots, I don't think much harm can come of it. Some people like to argue. They are not interested in "finding the truth", but in making themselves feel more important than they really are. Most everyone can see through that. So most of the inane verbal antics actually serve a good end. I miss DG. Never had any problems with him. He'll be back soon.
Have fun.
Mel
PS Non illigitimi carborundum.Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
As a whole, the least moderation is the best. Moderators tend to crush under the merest suggestion of complaint, especially if the whining protester happens to be new. I've never understood why, but it is a fact.
Later.
Denny
Moderators tend to crush under the merest suggestion of complaint, especially if the whining protester happens to be new.
Not that we, ahem, know anyone like that, now do we?
"Foolish behavior on Knots is disappointing to me, but on Knots, I don't think much harm can come of it."What about Taunton? I don't know Dgreen. But if he turned away even one potential participant or reader, banning him was the right thing to do. I know for a fact that the antics here on KNOTS turns away readers.I think folks forget that this really isn't an online community and people here don't enjoy any freedom of speech rights. Taunton allows us to be here hoping we'll talk about something that will lure woodworking web surfers to the site. I think folks forget that. Agree?Adam
What I think you don't get is that it isn't a one-sided proposition. Taunton could create a site that is 100% guaranteed to be inoffensive to all. But far more people would be turned away by a forum that looked like that than one that looks like what we currently have.
It's all about balance, not about trying to make everyone happy with everything.
-Steve
And I think they are doing a great job. But we have to do our part as well. Right?Adam
And I think they are doing a great job.
You have repeatedly said you did not think they were doing a good job.
For exapmle this little jewel from post 39433.82 "KNOTS desperately needs more aggressive moderation to grow, and prosper. Those moderators need to censor me and they need to censor you."
I think this exchange you had with dgreen is an accurate example of your desire to see it moderated into irrelevance.
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=39433.51 "There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
-- Daniel Webster
Thanks. Yeah I agree. That's an excellent example of what I'm talking about. I think you can see the two sides of the argument very well there. I argued for more intervention so we can focus on woodworking, Don liked less moderation. Taunton clearly chose the approach that suited them. Its not me versus Don. But it does give you a sense of the direction they are heading. Adam
"Our part" is to be ordinary, reasonable people. Most of us are like that already--we don't have to consciously think about it. We're all part of a continuum: Some of us are at the extreme end of being too easily offensive, others are at the extreme end of being too easily offended. As long as all of us in the middle can get along, who cares about the extremes?-Steve
I liken it to graffiti. You can say its a victimless crime. Just a couple kids blowing off steam. But the folks at Taunton see their property values drop when their threads get covered with graffiti. Catching and punishing the "artists" probably seems like a good idea from their perspective. That's all I'm saying. Again, I'd like to see this guy back. I don't know why he was banished. But I can see it from Taunton's point of view. Mel said nobody is harmed, but I don't believe that's true. One can express oneself without spray painting someone else's building. And if one can't, then maybe what one has to say isn't worth hearing. Adam
Adam,
I'm following this thread with interest and until now was contented to watch from the sidelines. Several posters (Steve, Mel, Sarge, Lee....) have made some good points. I really liked one poster's illusion to Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's famous statement that "hard-core pornography" was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it".
The "graffiti" illustration that you just used adds an element of lasting destruction. Gives the subject a sort of tangible perspective.
"One can express oneself without spray painting someone else's building. And if one can't, then maybe what one has to say isn't worth hearing. "
That works for me.
-Jerry
Again, I'd like to see this guy back. I don't know why he was banished.
DITTO.
Don was a valuable resource here - whether you agreed with his views or not. He had a knack for producing a part # or phone # minutes after someone posted a need. He also had a vast woodworking knowledge of power tools - I believe he sold power tools or had some sort of dealership at one time. I also remember how he diagnosed a problem with my PM66 table saw (loose arbor pulley) when I was certain it was something else. That's impressive to me for someone thousands of miles away.
I don't know the details, but I have to wonder was this a Moderator muscle flexing exercise or was he warned that his behavior was about to get him in the hot seat?
Lee
I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, but I don't think Taunton was prepared for these sorts of situations. KNOTS had no civility policy when it started. I think they looked at the demographic and thought "Oh these guys will be fine. They won't need moderators. Look who we're dealing with; white, wealthy, 50's, male, educated, these guys will get along with each other just fine." So what I think we are seeing is the coming of age or loss of innocence of our host. I'm guessing KNOTS hasn't done much for Taunton. There aren't that many participants (and I can see why). And I think they poured a lot of effort and no small amount of cash into it only to be sullied by folks who have no intention of discussing woodworking. And on that note... :)Adam
Edited 5/20/2008 7:13 am ET by AdamCherubini
Bingo!! Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching! You my friend, have won the jackpot. Well said.
Steve,
Some wise words!
Alan - planesaw
And I think they are doing a great job.
I'm not sure I agree. See this post:
http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages/?msg=41601.1
Read it in it's entirety and tell me you don't think that the situation was over-moderated. A misunderstanding arose which I explained to a mod (David) and 3 days later another mod came in and deleted "offensive language"
The "offensive language" was "you suck"
Ironically, at Sawmill Creek, the term "You Suck" is used quite frequently, even by the mods as a friendly poke. Evidently here they don't get it.
Lee
Edited 5/19/2008 7:57 pm by mapleman
I didn't see that thread. You're right. That was an unfortunate misunderstanding. That term has been in use as a congratulations for many many years on many if not all of the popular ww sites. I'm not sure the good folks at Taunton participate on webforums. I have long suspected they were unprepared for what they would get from an unmoderated web forum.
Adam
Are we having fun... yet? Throw a crawfish into the stir and we got a fine gumbo indeed.
Laissez Les Bon Temps Rouler...
:>)
Sarge,
Having lived in NOLA for 11 years -- "Let the good times roll!"
Alan - planesaw
You nailed it shut, Alan.. extra bowl of craw-fish gumbo.. side order of dirty rice and andouille for you! :>)
Regards...
Sarge..
When I was new to woodworking and KNOT too, I posted a lot of questions. DG was among 10 members who would answer very immediately. He even made some internet searchs to help me out. Esp. when he was still awake while most of the members here had gone to rest. Thanks to DG (dgreen).
Not forgetting the others who I can remember like Bicardi, Forestgirl, EddiefromAustralia, Scrit, Ring, Jeff100, Highfigh, Mtn Bob, 02blues, Malcolm2 and everybody here. And John White too.
I want DG to come back.
masrolsumairi
Well, I've been posting here for years in the hope of inspiring a good banning.
It seems I can't manage to be both aggressive enough and insulting enough.
I suspect I need to hone my technique. Perhaps a bit of on-line lip curling and sneering would do it? Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
Word through the grape-vine is the the Houston Chamber of Commerce attempted to get you banned for the statements about Houston having terrible humidity. That is not conducive to drawing visitors with spendable cash.
But... those e-mails and letter were most likely garbage-canned as anyone that really believes that Houston's humidity is not that bad would be highly suspect for being delirious and not to be taken very seriously. ha.. ha...
Sarge..
Off topic somewhat: have we devolved as a society so much that "you suck" is now a compliment? I remember insulting people that way.
Not intended as a serious post; just found the comment a little funny. And I know what you meant.
Most nights are crystal clear, but tonight it's like he's stuck between stations.
Edited 5/20/2008 9:56 am ET by JJV
Oh, Lee, that is toooooooooo funny! At WWA, the hearty YOU SUCK! is the ultimate compliment lofted when someone obtains a great tool and gloats publically. That is what the censor didn't get -- he's too sheltered, LOL.
There are rules however: It is not an officially santioned gloat until pictures of said tool are produced. No pics? It didn't happen. Only when one posts at least one pic of the enviable tool are fellow forum members allowed to say:
"YOU TRULY SUCK!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!"forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
There are rules however: It is not an officially santioned gloat until pictures of said tool are produced. No pics? It didn't happen. Only when one posts at least one pic of the enviable tool are fellow forum members allowed to say:
Forestgirl,
Not wanting to take away from Don's celebratory homecoming - but if you are interested I am updating the BFI (with a happy ending) thread with some fresh pics and interesting tidbits.
Lee
Glad you are back aboard!
Bill
I'll check it out!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Hi Lee,
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I appreciate the feedback about that string being over moderated. I’m sure that many would agree with you. But we received some more complaints about that discussion after David initially chimed in, so I deleted the offensive language. I left the string generally intact and tried to make my actions clear.
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While the words don’t personally offend me as peteryu65 posted them, it’s language that is offensive to some (as JJV points out, “I remember insulting people that way”). It’s definitely something that I couldn’t get away with in my mother’s house and they are words that we wouldn’t publish in the magazine.
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Anyway, I just wanted to share some more background...
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Thanks,
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GinaFineWoodworking.com
Edited 5/20/2008 12:00 pm ET by GEide
Edited 5/20/2008 12:02 pm ET by GEide
Hi Gina,
Thanks for adding that info. I was not aware that there were others that were offended. I also apologize for dragging the post back up - I can assure you my intent was not to make you or David look bad. I have always said that even if I did not agree with the powers that be - I respect your/their decision as final.
In any event, it sounds as if Don has been re-instated. I offer my personal thanks for giving the guy another chance. I Know countless others will benefit from his participation as I have.
Thanks,
Lee
Hi Lee,
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Thanks for the post. No worries about mentioning the string. We’re also journalists here at <!----><!----><!---->Taunton<!----><!---->, so I’d say that we’re pretty supportive of openness in “government.” It gave me a chance to clarify a bit.
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Cheers,
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I believe I am responsible for that brouhaha. I did not realize that the phrase in question was of a congratulatory nature, had I ignored the post it would probably have been a non issue. My apologies to all concerned, I guess I need to get out more so to speak."There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
-- Daniel Webster
I'm really sorry I didn't see that post and get things explained before the kefullfle led to unnecessary censorship. It was complete cultural misunderstanding. Here's the most colorful "you suck" reference I foudn in a quick search:
YOU BROKE THE SUCK-O-METER!!!! View Image In reference to someone's new tablesaw acquisition.
Bring to mind the time hat one of our newer members got reallly upset because Member A called several other members Knotsheads. Took several posts to get him calmed down and understanding the term.
The general demeanor of Knots members, going back to the stuffed-shirts good-ol'-boys cadre, does not lend itself to a You Suck response to enviable acquisitions, so we're probably stuck with being deprived of its use.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Adam,
But we have to do our part as well
I agree and along with that I feel there is also a significant amount of trust all the way around, for everyone involved.
As to stepping over the line I feel that line is/can be entremely elusive. What one might construe as being offensive another might feel is commonplace. If I were offended by something said in a forum, my first step would be to contact the offender directly.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
My only point was that it's Taunton's line to draw. Theirs to define and enforce as they see fit. But hey, I'm over this conversation. Let's talk about woodworking again. I scored a fantastically straight red oak log, about three feet in length. I split it up, turned some of it, and I'm planing long pieces to make a bench for my dining room table. It was cut about a month ago and its as wet as can be. Its such a joy to plane and turn green wood. Every time I do it, I feel privileged. Going back to that now. Glad everything worked out with this conversation.Adam
Edited 5/20/2008 1:48 pm ET by AdamCherubini
Adam,
I think maybe you yourself have turned over a bit of a new leaf in the last few weeks and I for one like the more considerative Adam much better. Perhaps you had a word with the parson, got a bite in the bum or just turned things over in your strange old noggin for a while. In any event, I notice you are much less inclined lately to snoot at other folk so I have taken to reading your Pop WW articles. See?
Perhaps Don will reign back a bit on his little foibles, expecially those that cause the stings and itches? I'm sure he will remain "himself" as you have; but it all goes to show that "personality" is a variable and reactive thang.
As for me, I am going to see if I can help Richard with his problem of getting a ban. I know he needs one so he can gain credability with the young bloods he has to teach. So, I am trying to think of some insults for Scots to get the old phart going - should be easy for a little Geordie waster like me, like.
Lataxe, consumer of even the spiciest pesonality effluvia.
Lataxe,
I think there is a stiking resemblance of one Mr. James Bond with our suave woody friend Richard. I offer the following:
Mr Bond was educated at Fettes in Edinburgh and kept the accent and habits of that class of Scots, but magically transformed what can be seen as aloof into what we call suave! Hmmm coincidence mebbe? With more amorous encounters than Burns, more life threatening adventures than Rob Roy and more drink under his belt than Will Fyfe on Glasgow Fair Friday, he captures a great fantasy – with immense panache.
Even his famous sharp one liners show that essential economy of language that allows a Scot to joke (or to put someone back in his place) with a few sharp and witty words. That's another part of the suave persona too.
Hopefully the above will provide a bit of fodder in your quest to help Sir Richard; not that you need any help.
:-)
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 5/21/2008 6:53 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Edited 5/21/2008 6:54 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Adam,
Trying to define what behavior should be banned is filled with potholes -- sort of like trying to define what constitutes pornography. I pay my dues to use Knots for what I want to use Knots for, not what Taunton wants me to use Knots for. I once tried to come up with some guidelines for "proper behavior on Knots", but I couldn't come up with a policy that satisfies my better than "ignore any posts that offend you." It works for me.
Enjoy.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
<not what Taunton wants me to use Knots for>Reality check here: They OWN this place. Paying dues does not create absolute entitlement.
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
Peter,<not what Taunton wants me to use Knots for>Yup, but in reality, what Taunton wants out of its customers here on Knots, and what I want out of Knots are quite similar. That's good, because I like this place.I see you are from up in the frozen North - Canada. I feel a kinship with that great Country. My oldest son married a very nice girl from just north of Toronto. Let me know if you are ever coming down to the Washington, DC area, and we'll trade some woodworking lies. I'll provide the hamburgs and beer.
Enjoy,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
You are on.
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
Absolutely. Well said.
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
"We all know at least one person who uses multiple names here on Knots, although he only has one personality."
. . . . . one personality . . . . hhmmm, we can't be thinking of the same person . . . unless you meant to say he has NO personality . . . . .
Stpatrick,
My father was born on Saint Patrick's day.
And I was a member of Alpha Delta Gamma fraternity in college. Our song was "St. Patrick was an Alpha Delt".
I don't know you very well, but I feel a distinct kinship to you. I see you are from Santa Barbara. I am from near Washington, DC. If you ever get this way, let me know, and my wife and I will have you and yours over to dinner. I would love to be able to say that St. Patrick ate at my place. :-)Good to meet you.
Have fun.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel, thank you for the kind words and thoughts. You also have an open invitation out here on the left coast!
Best regards, Patrick
Sarge,
That may be true, but many still mistake a spade for a shovel.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
"Roses have thorns and silver fountains mud".. Shakespeare
Life is not always perfect, Chris. I have learned to deal with the "good.. the bad and the ugly" daily. I certainly wouldn't condone personal attacks that are un-provoked. I suppose I just seem to find a ray of light occasionally when others see only darkness.
What is.... is!
Regards...
Sarge..
Dgreen is you could say a no " frou frou " sort of guy .
I hope his stay in wood worker absentia will be over soon .
They got him stuck in a furniture shop with no power tools
dusty
taxe,
Sorry to hear of Don's plight. Was the banning permanent or just a 15 minute stay in the penalty box?
someone welched and moaned about them to the moderator
Must have been that chump who writes articles for another magazine but pops in on a regular basis to cry for more moderation, because those in the know here hand his a$$ to him on a regular basis.
Lee
IIRC, he more or less dared them a number of times to kick him off the boards (again). Don't know if it took someone complaining, or it happened by executive decision. He knew he was on a short leash. I spent some time at Don's shop a couple of years ago when hubby and I went up stopped by on our way to Dennis' place. He's a nice guy and the visit was enjoyable. To tell the truth, his increased volatility around here caused me concern about how things were going for him personally.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forestgirl,
You may have identified a good point re Don. So often some unrelated source of stress causes one to lash out at others. Don and I exchanged a few emails with me pointing out that he was going considerably further than calling a spade a spade. Too frequently he was attacking people personally. There is a significant difference in disagreeing with an opinion and lashing out or even attacking the person.
Hopefully he will be able to resolve the stress.
Alan - planesaw
Brother Froe, any idea how long he is to be in detention? I miss his direct opinions and hope the git that did him in gets flayed with a cat that has ANANT plane irons tied to the tails.
Paddy the venge full sailor
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe, Don doesn't WANT to frequent Knots anymore?
David Ring
http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e
David,
I wrote to Don Green and let him know that Gina said he would be reinstated if he requested. Whether or not he does is up to him.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel
Good move. I hope he will come back for us. But asking him to "request" is a bit....bitter for anybody in that situation.
masrolsumairi
Masrol,
As you can see, I am not in a position to make rules.
I was just doing what I could to try to get Don back into Knots. I hope he returns, but I respect his decision if he wishes to wait for a while. The fact that so many people want him back should make his decision easier.
Thanks for writing.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Friends,
I just heard from Don Green. He has been told that he is reinstated. He says he is happy to be back. We should hear from him soon.
Let's give Don a rousing welcome back. I really want to express my thanks to Matt and Gina and David at Taunton for making this happen.
Thank you all very much.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Nicely done, Mel. Welcome back, Don. I hope your stay in the penalty box wasn't too long. I, for one, missed your presence around here. Just don't sharpen the tongue all the way to 15,000 grit. After a few passes at the 8000 stone, it should be just fine. That should keep Adam happy.
Jeff
Mel
I understand. I appreciate your efforts and your time. I strongly want he returns. I missed his jokes. Sometime it inspires me to read further.
I respect whatever decision he makes.
Thank you
masrolsumairi
Edited 5/20/2008 12:48 pm by Masrol
"I flew into Houston once, took forever for my glasses to defog."
First time I went to Houston was for a visit to my employer's petrochemical refinery. Humidity was awful for a California boy and they put us up in a motel near the plant - not the Ritz Carleton for sure. The cockroaches in the room astonished me - I didn't know whether to try to try to squash them or to saddle up the largest one and herd the rest out the door.
"I threw a boot at one when I was there; it caught it and threw it back."
Those Houston cockroaches won't wear anything but Tony Lamas.
"Those Houston cockroaches won't wear anything but Tony Lamas."
And those damned steel toes make such a racket when they're skittering around at night.
-Steve
The best way to deal with the cock-roach problem is a method we used with large rats in an under-ground bunker in Vietnam. When the candles went out.. we left someone up sitting in a chair in the middle of those platoon size bunkers on the DMZ.
When the sentry heard a rat.. a sudden flash-light beam and the repeat of a .45 Auto. Time consuming indeed.. but the closest real entertainment was about 14,000 miles away and un-available to us at the time. :>)
Regards...
Sarge..
Just wanted to thank you all for the kind words and your efforts on my behalf. Many thanks, it's good to be back!
dgreen
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It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Hello DG,
You're welcomed to this interesting KNOTS forum.
When I first posted the question, frankly speaking, I was not in the know. You still remember telling me if you can bring 747 plane into your shop?. I remember very well you made internet searches for me when I asked about DeWalt battery charger for 18V cordless tools that I can used in my country.
Anyway, I'm happy you come back.
Wish you all the best.
masrolsumairi
Hello Masrol!I don't remember the 747 but I remember the charger. I am happy that you thought of me and started the ball rolling for me to come back.I wish you all the best also and it's good to be back.Take care my friend.dgreen------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Good to have you back.David Ring
http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e
I found him!
He's really the lead guitarist for Alexisonfire, a Canadian rock band. In between his appearances with the band he's rooting for the Boston Celtics disguised as Charles.
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If you see this man be forewarned that he is a woodworker with rapier sharp blades!
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Ye Gods Bob!The only thing I can play with any competence is a mean stereo! That guy in the picture is even homelier than me.
While I plead guilty to the sharp blades, I hope never to be mistaken as Charles or any of his aliases!------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Don,
I knew I cud flush ya out that hidin place!
Nice to see ya back.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I woulda been flushed a little earlier but I seem to be having a cookie issue and had to go to an alternate browser. IE seems to be having a problem after they restored my access but Firefox seems to work fine.------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Mebbe ya might wanna flush dem cookie crumbles down the digital toilet and start a fresh batch?
Don't know if you caught DIY on the remodelers show; but they featured a new device that you can attach to a wall/window that picks up vibrations from a sound source and amplifies it through the wall to another room. It sounded kinda tinny to me but may have been the TV/AV.
Curious as to what you think about them. They only cost $500 ea!
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I haven't seen that gizmo yet, I'm working on an infinite baffle subwoofer at the moment.I went through my cookies folder 3 times and thought I got rid of them all, just dawned on me I neglected to flush the cache. I can't do a total flush of the cookie folder because there are a great many I need (shopping carts etc.).------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
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