There has been much discussion re: power tool safety and whether or not certain safety features will preclude accidents. Here is a machine that would probably not pass OSHA standards today:
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/831920423.html
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Probably not, but it is a beauty isn't it? If it was closer I'd have to have it at that price!
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club.
Jack London
Several years ago I worked at a youth correctional facility. They had an old, very large band saw in their maintenance wood shop that would continue to "run" long after the power was turned off. Those big cast wheels were slow to start, but seemed like they would spin forever once they got going. The "senior" wood shop foreman said that it was the most dangerous machine in the shop (and that included an old shaper with huge, stackable bits and no guards whatsoever).
It would be a bit of a drive for you, but it is a nice looking thing, isn't it?
If you think that's a good deal check this out:
http://nmi.craigslist.org/tls/827653986.html
You could pick it up on the way!
I'm trying to figure out how much the gas would cost to get to MI
Lee
Holy Smokes!!
Think that and the saw would make my Astro van squat a little?
It would take some serious re-shuffling but I would find a way to fit them into the shop. Of course a 24" planer would have to be aqquired.
Wish they were a lot closer...
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. Jack London
Wish they were a lot closer...
You and me both. Speaking of 24" planers..... there was a guy on OWWM's forum a while back with an old 24" Oliver planer, completely rebuilt and refinished - the thing looked brand spankin' new. $2500! It lingered around for a couple of months - I'm not sure if it ever sold. Seems the guys there are super-cheapskates. They only seem to buy the "almost give-it-away" stuff. Same thing, the machine was in Michigan or Indianapolis or something like that.
Never on earth is there a freakin' deal in south Mississippi. Or the South, period.
Cheers,
Lee
I sort of wish they were closer to me as well.
Can you here the sigh?
Those are some real beauts, I wouldn't think think twice to trade for a band saw like that. I bought one recently and the Taiwanese little thing has been a real pain so far!
That said I am happy with the small universal that I bought although it needed a good tuning up.
I enjoyed this post so far, Thanks,
Chaim
It's got the wrong blade on it for cutting radios and the upper guides are set too close to the table!!
Seriously though, what kind of grief is it giving you?
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. Jack London
The grief wont be fixed! At least not on this bandsaw.
The wheels aren't balanced and don't run true because they are not perfectly round. The wheels also don't turn fluidly on the bearings. I checked the bearings are cheep but in good order! I since replaced the guides and that helped but only a little.
Because of all this the blades don't run true and give a very rough cut!
To tell the truth I sort of expected all these problems and was glad for the opportunity to work out these difficulties on a cheep saw. my next purchase will be a 16" or 18" model but that's a ways off at the present.
I'll just have to wait until I out grow this one. Until then it cuts well enough and will resaw up to 6" and that's fine for a first band saw.
I considered fitting it with a riser block but with all its problems I don't feel this would work well even though the motor is stated to be 1 1/4 horse power. In any case I didn't buy the riser block because if I upgrade I'it'll be to a European Type model.Thanks, If you have any thought that might help I'm opened to suggestions.
Chaim
Lee,
Note that it is called a SURFACER/ jointer (;).At least the description is right but those retina stretching colours have got to be hiding something.....Philip Marcou
I think it's to highlight the exposed cutterhead.
If it had an X on one end and lights I'd say runway markings.
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. Jack London
Lol.
I would expose my cutter head to get my hands on that machine....Philip Marcou
Thanks for the tip. Only 1 1/2 hours away. That is the second 24" Porter I've seen in the last two weeks. One is sitting in a barn 45 min. from me.
And only $500? Can I carry it home on my bike?Chris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
How' this for a big bandsaw? http://www.ganahl.com/bandsaw.htmChris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Don,
here is one for free, but it would be a bit of a challenge.(I checked- all parts are there, motor and table are inside barn).Philip Marcou
It's a beaut, but it's a long row across that pond!
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. Jack London
The pity is that that will just rust away there. The owner says he will "do it up". I have heard that before and in his case it is clear that it won't happen- but neither will he sell it. (No buyers and no intention).Philip Marcou
That is a shame as it looks to have another hundred years of service in it.
I remember when you first posted the pictures a year or so ago, do you go by and visit it occasionally?
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You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. Jack London
Yup- still there. I reckon it will only move if someone wants to build a house there.Philip Marcou
Superb machine for the right person in the right place, and it would not pass Osh regs as is but Blade guards, belt guards , wheel guards and a brake are easy enough to rig up.
I don't know what "senior" was talking about-must have been having a senior moment if he thought the shaper was less dangerous. Even a mouse can be dangerous.... (;)
Heart,
I reckon that if the stop switch button were a deep orange instead of Red those Osh turkeys would condemn a machine....
Here is mine , not subject to Osh because they don't know about its existence. I did make up wheel , blade and belt guards but a brake was very low priority. Lovely machine, German made and cost an inititial outlay of next to nought plus "sixpence" for paint and some roller bearings.
Philip That's a real beauty.
I bet it cuts really smooth what with the wight of those wheels!
I also wanted to take the opportunity to thank you again for your advise with my universal. The vibrations are gone and it runs real sweet!
Chaim
(I posted twice without doing a spell check- Its a good thing I caught it because my spelling is horrendous!!!)
Edited 9/8/2008 7:25 am by chaim
Edited 9/8/2008 7:27 am by chaim
Philip,
That looks to be a great machine! I would imagine that it can take on whatever wood you feed it without a cough or a sputter . . .
"I would imagine that it can take on whatever wood you feed it without a cough or a sputter . . "Yes, having capacity and power help, but like most machines "they can only be as good as the blade you run".Philip Marcou
Phillip,
That's a serious chunk of metal, I'd love to see it next time I'm up your way I may knock on your door and waste a bit of your time.....
Rgds
John
Drop in by all means. Let me know beforehand so that you don't waste time trying to locate me.Philip Marcou
Here's another nice one that I kept out of the scrapyard. It's got retrofitted wheel covers, but until I get around to restoring it, I want to be able to look at it uncluttered. It has laminated wooden wheels, brass oil resovoir (?), and belt drive wheels. It needs complete cleaning and painting and new tires ( and who knows what else, babbit bearings recast perhaps ), but the wheels run cleanly and true, and it was never outside, but spent a long time in a barn.
Thumb,
That one , from what I can see ,would make a great restoration project, with very little monetary outlay. Really worthwhile if you have the space. It is just asking for a quick strip clean and paint. Oil cups are often a good sign-folk can't resist filling them with oil, unlike grease cups which are either not greased or the grease has gone hard and blocked everything. So it probably has babbitts or solid bearings and these are very hardy on machines like this where axle speeds and loads are low so I would speculate that they just need an inspection and cleaning-anyway, it is no sweat if there is some play.
Mine had a flat belt pulley-they were usually run from an overhead counter shaft. No problem to ditch that pulley and fit a two groove vee pulley of suitable diameter and connect to a floor mounted motor. If you have 3 phase then 3 horses are plenty, despite you being in A merica where some would advocate the installation of a boosted V8 there, and with three phase it is simple to have an electric brake if you want.
You might have to experiment with the surface speed per minute-it may have a "sweet spot" or you might decide to balance the wheels. At any rate the oldies were not meant to run at huge speeds , despite what one may read in various modern books. Makers of bandsaw blades seem to advocate too high speeds-I feel.It is not as if one is running a saw mill.
So when will it come to life? (Visualise a nice black or green enamel with a subtle pin striping)Philip Marcou
Phillip,
Most of your suggestions match my intent closely, except I'm seriously considering working up an overhead pulley system, and setting up some of my older gear to run off it, maybe try to restore a whole belt-driven shop. The hardest part would be setting up the shafting, there's almost no salvageable stuff like that surviving, so I'd have to "re-invent the wheel" so to speak. The other bottleneck is a place to set up. I've got enough property, but I haven't designed and built my timber framed shop yet. Right now I'm too busy making stuff for others, I'm figuring 5-10 years till I can ease out of the workforce and semi-retire. Till then, I don't think that huge casting will rust away. Actually, it's incredible how durable that old stuff is, that you could probably put back in service that pile of scrap in the outdoor picture earlier in the thread, if all the critical parts are there. I saw a blog or something about some steam buffs who rescued a 10' flywheel steam engine out of the Minnesota forest, where there had been an 1880's era factory, they rebuilt it and ran it ! (more guts than sense !)
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