Hello!
I’m an ez guy:) and I like to post a youtube video link.
One of the most difficult woodworking tasks is to square a large panel.
I saw this video on Youtube and I think you may like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFi80yzUHR0
david.
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I saw the same video. It has a lot of good information.
Burt
That was great. Thanks. I sent it to my son.
Frosty
For Father's Day?:)
This one is even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeUyJtFNPD4
Good luck. :)
david.
Those are very well done. It looks like a Festool guide but with a Rigid saw. Do you know if it is another guide?Frosty
The guide system is the ez smart. Made in NJ by Eurekazone.
What you saw on the videos is very unique to the ez smart.
The only guide system with self aligning square
and measuring system on both sides of the cut.
You can use any saw with the ez smart. Even the Big Foot.
Happy father's day.
david.
It's a slick system. David gave you the details. I have the Festool. I think this one apparently offers more capability if you are just considering a guide system. The Festool MFT however adds a lot of capability. I have not looked at the financial for comparison.GREG
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Thanks to both of you. I have the Festool guide and really like it. I didn't know if the "square" was an option I had overlooked.Frosty
There is an accessory kit that includes a protractor that connectsw to the guide rail. It has a 90 degree stop.GREG
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Thanks. I'll look it up - and price it out. I don't work with sheet goods very much now.Frosty
Frosty,It's the Festool FS-KS. There's the advantage of being able to cut any angle. This is helpful beyond sheet goods. Glued panels need squared as well. Trimming off doors is another application.GREG
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Thanks - I didn't know they had one. It will be handy for large cut-offs e.g. table tops, etc. Currently I use my RAS (1955 vintage DeWalt) to do those tasks but, obviously I'm limited in width. I do about 20" and then finish off by flipping or by hand - not the best. You sure can't do that sort of job on a table saw.Frosty
I just got the Festool system, so I am not the expert in it's use. I used to use a "Clamp-n-Guide", a square, and an 18V DeWalt Trim Saw. It worked like a charm. The Festool is much faster.
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Edited 6/16/2007 6:10 pm by Cincinnati
Greg,
I have some of the Festool Stuff and most of the EZ Stuff.
When you went from the clamp on rail to the Festool, you could forget off setting your marks.
When you go from the Festool, to the EZ, you can forget about your pencils. The ez repeaters make exact repeat cuts quick and EZ.
Burt
It's a slick system. David gave you the details. I have the Festool. I think this one apparently offers more capability if you are just considering a guide system. The Festool MFT however adds a lot of capability. I have not looked at the financial for comparison.
Apples and oranges.
david
I think you are correct. Regardless, the EZ Smart system appears to be a slick design. I wish I'd have known about it when I was in construction.
GREG
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One of the most difficult woodworking tasks is to square a large panel.
Are you kidding?? What's so difficult about squaring a panel? I find it to be an extremely quick and easy task. Anyone who can hold a tape measure or make a large cabinet square can square a panel in 60 seconds.
Is this the advertising section???
Jeff
The guy on the video was very clear about it and he show us how to do it.
If you have a better way, please tell us how.
david
davidwood-You've been shilling for Dino and Eurekazone for some time now. Why this disingenuous pose--"the guy on the video", the video you just came across, and all that?The EZ equipment is excellent, and Dino is to be congratulated for developing it. But your tactic of advertising it under the guise of a disinterested poster is bound to drive some customers away.As for squaring a panel, if you don't know half a dozen ways to do that quickly and accurately with ordinary equipment, then you are no woodworker. That is hardly the highest use of the EZ guide.
Donald
Well stated. We had to put up with this con-man approach last year, and I truly thought that the Knots was through with it. My statement to him was a shot across the bow, so to speak.
From a marketing stand point of view, I truly wonder if Dino knows how much these clownlike tactics hurt the image of EZ.
It definately was an issue when I bought the green stuff instead. I was so put off by the antics about a year and a half ago. As a whole, it was, and is my opinion that we don't need solicitation here at the Knots, especially in such a weak and shameful disguise, almost used car sales type stuff.
There is a classified section here, isn't there?
Jeff
Squaring a piece of stock of any reasonable size used in any woodworking endeavor is a basic function. I teach it to 7th graders in less than a half hour, and there are several ways to do it. All of them work. I couldn't imagine wasting my time trying to show a faster or better way to do a task that is as easy as tying one's shoe.
Your approach at using this forum as a means for marketing the ez guide is shameful, in my opinion, as I've seen your 50 post infomercials here too many times.
As Forrest would say, that's all I have to say about that!
Pay for some ad space in the magazine, or try the FREE classified section.
What's next? A better way to turn on the table saw??
Jeff
"If you have a better way, please tell us how."
A sliding table saw with 3.5 metres of table travel and a scoring blade. Beats the pants off any form of fiddly straight edge and loosey goosey hand held circular saw every time.
If you don't want that kind of response, don't lay yourself open to being ridiculed by posing seemingly innocent, guileless and daft sounding questions like that. Slainte.
Richard Jones Furniture
Edited 6/15/2007 7:38 pm by SgianDubh
And that should just about cover the extremely difficult task of squaring up sheet stock.
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Jeff
I don't mind any of the EZ shills coming around to promote the system, especially since they banned Dino from participating in all of the Taunton forums. It is a good system, and much more versatile than the Festool set-up (and cheaper).In many respects, this is a David/Goliath scenario; Festool is a big muscular company, and you can't find a wwing mag these days without full page ads from them. Dino, on the other hand, is this one-horse operation, trying to function with a shoestring marketing budget, and therefore forced to rely on word of mouth promotion.The proselytizing from Burts and Davidwood may be tiresome to the Knots regulars who have endured the EZ-Festool wars from the past, but there is a constant influx of new people here, and I don't think it is a bad thing that they know an alternative to the Festool guide system exists. I believe both of them when they say they don't have any affiliation with EZ, except liking the product. So I don't see that any harm is done in letting them share their enthusiasm, especially when they do so without attempting to provoke controversy. ********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Edited 6/16/2007 1:09 am by nikkiwood
I respect your opinion, and have nothing further to add to the discussion that would be considered constructive.
The false pretences at which the ez shills provoke conversation are destined to doom the possible success of what might be a very good system, in my humble opinion. The he said/she said approach to marketing is destined to create a division amongst the ranks, annoying at least half of the potential customers with the 1970's approach to used car sales for a marketing scheme.
For whatever reason, I always seem compelled to respond in retort.
My humblest apologies.
Jeff
<< "The false pretences at which the ez shills provoke conversation are destined to doom the possible success of what might be a very good system, in my humble opinion." >>You may well be right. But what they're doing is a classic strategem of guerilla marketing, and as long as there is always someone around to "out" them, I don't think any harm is done. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing)We see the same thing happening with Festool; Rick Christopherson, for instance, has been here any number of times waxing poetic about Festool, without making it known that he is the author of several manuals for them (extremely good manuals, I might add).I might also add I have been influenced by the many Breaktimers (a group notable for their lack of emotional attachment to mere tools) who have bought, used, then raved about the EZ system. So, even though I don't own EZ, it seems to me it is a good system which the readers at Knots should at least know about. And that's why I'm okay with the participation of Burts and davidwood, as long as they are outed, so to speak. Heck, if you and Donald Brown hadn't done so, I would have spoken up myself. ********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
I'm with you, Richard. My Altenfdorf on a couple of sawhorses is the most flexible job-site tool I can think of.
A sliding table saw with 3.5 metres of table travel and a scoring blade.
You're wrong.
Think of the times to set and reset the fences. Load and unload the pieces. I used one for years. The tool is awkard, dangerous and slow.
Beats the pants off any form of fiddly straight edge and loosey goosey hand held circular saw every time.
This is the latest feedback on the ez forum. First time user.
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=59891
Michael Schwartz
Member
Yeah, it is as good as they say it is.
Got mine all set up, first cut, strait line ripped a piece of maple I had lying around that I didn't dare push through the table saw. The result, a dead strait cut, no chip out on the top or bottom, and the cut was as clean as any cut I have ever gotten out of any table saw, including a Unisaw, Powermatic, and a Sawstop.I set up the cabinet maker, after strait line ripping an edge of plywood, I squared off the other 3 sides very efficiently and quickly squaring off a 4x5 sheet of plywood. The quality of cut was perfect, absolutely no tearout, and dead crisp, without any of the laminations blowing out which I have had happen with tablesaws and panelsaws. For sheet goods the EZ is the best of anything on the market including 20,000 dollar sliders built for cutting sheet goods.All this with a 15 dollar (freud 40T thin kerf finish blade) I haven't even had a chance to set up my bridge yet, I think I will use my cabinet maker to build a table for it tonight Thanks Dino for such as great product.
david.
Edited 6/15/2007 8:13 pm ET by davidwood
It may be a great product but I bet I can get a cleaner cut with my table saw and Forrest blade. :)
Paul
I don't have any forest blades so I can't challenge your statement. I did take a piece of oak and do cuts with a Makita LS1212 with a 90 tooth plus blade, a five horse unisaw with a 60 tooth blade and a Hilti 267E equipped with a Diablo 40 tooth blade on a EZ Smart rail. The Hilti/EZ cut was the best of three. I've been surprised at the cut quality of the EZ Smart - it is very good but I won't say that it is better than something I haven't personally used.
Burt
Hey Burt,
I wasn't really challenging you at all, hence the :). One of the things that makes woodworking fun is that there are many ways of doing the same task. After all, at the end of the day the wood doesn't know how it was removed does it.
Paul
Paul,
I didn't take that as a challenge. I was hoping to show that EZ Does a very good cut but I couldn't do an exact comparison.
Burt
David,
Are you affiliated in any way with the EZ guide company or Dino? I attempted to ask this privately by email, but your profile is not set up for email messages.
GREG
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Cincinati.
This is a place where people come to learn of better and new ways.
Do you know of a better way to square and cut to size cabinet parts?
Please tell us.
You're bringing YOUR TOOLS -YOUR CHOICE into this thread knowing that your tools don't offer the same capability and now you're trying to get my personal info.
Do you like to send me an email? Post your email online and I will send you my email.
Are you affiliated in any way with the EZ guide company or Dino? I attempted to ask this privately by email, but your profile is not set up for email messages.
I'm Dino's customer and friend. I used to work with Dino once a week for prototype work. Dino and Eurekazone don't offer an associate program like many other Companies do. No reason to have my email public.
If you like to debate Dino's ways, please email him at [email protected]
david
DavidThe environment of this thread has turned a bit hostile. I had a few questions that I thought could be embarassing with respect to the accusations of shameful antics on your behalf. I thought it better for you if I asked them privately. I had no other interest in your "personal information".I applaud your passion and loyalty toward Dino. You are obviously proud of his guide. I'm guessing you were a beta tester for the guide since you indicate you did weekly prototype work with him. You seemingly played a part in developing some of his products. These factors may cloud an endorsement of a product. Since many posts were accusing you of underlying motives, I wanted to know the truth of your relationship to EZ.If someone had posted the scathing attack on my character as you got, I would have immediately rebutted and or apologized. You instead chose to become defensive with one of the few respondents who was not throwing rocks at you. (I posted a positive reply in #7 and in #12 and intended #23 as such.) This action seems suspect to me.You claim this community is where people come to learn new and better ways. Yet, apparently you objected to Festool being offered as a competing system to the EZ. I am not a walking advertisement for Festool. As a design engineer, I do appreciate the superior design and manufacturing of their products. Although it is EASY to use the Festool system to square panels, I use other ways too. I wrote nothing to indicate I wanted to debate anything with you or Dino. I did not hijack your thread "knowing" my tools are incapably of the task. I have been squaring panels for years. Still I'm not trying to convince you that my way is better than yours.Squaring panels is in my opinion one of the earlier skills a woodworker must master to build fine furniture. If you truly had difficulty squaring panels and truly overcame that hurdle with the EZ system, congratulations. I trust you are now enjoying your woodworking much more. GREG•••••••
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Edited 6/16/2007 10:46 am by Cincinnati
You claim this community is where people come to learn new and better ways. Yet, apparently you objected to Festool being offered as a competing system to the EZ. I am not a walking advertisement for Festool. As a design engineer, I do appreciate the superior design and manufacturing of their products. Although it is EASY to use the Festool system to square panels, I use other ways too.
Greg.
As a design engineer you should know better that we need a self aligning square and an integrated measuring system to square and cut to size panels easy.
The above design features are unique to the ez system.
How can you square a 4x8 panel with the Festool system?
Please, show us the superior design of your tools
and any other way that you may know.
I wrote nothing to indicate I wanted to debate anything with you or Dino.
I don't ask you if you know Hans, Fritz and Mr Festool. Bringing up Dino into this thread is sameefull. The Man made woodworking safe and better. He don't deserve that.
I wrote nothing to indicate I wanted to debate anything with you or Dino. I did not hijack your thread "knowing" my tools are incapably of the task. I have been squaring panels for years. You tried to categorize the ez system as good for construction. Downgrating and ignoring all the unique inventions of a patented system in order to make your buying decision "the Superior one"
Still I'm not trying to convince you that my way is better than yours.
Why not? the whole idea is to find new and better ways. Convince me. If you don't like to convince me, show to others that I'm wrong. I can take it and learn something new from you.
Here is another simple ez invention.
Safe and repeatable narrow rip and tapered cuts.
Can we talk about inventions in this forum or we need your permission?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPgdY9IDVoM
david
Edited 6/16/2007 11:56 am ET by davidwood
David,
And just when I was wondering how much of your statements is superior knowledge and experience and how much is arrogance, you proclaim this community is "talking to someone who used any and all woodworking tools". Yet you don't know how to square a panel with the Festool system. Many guides are self-aligning including the Festool with the FS-SK or the Festool MFT; speed squares, T-squares, etc. are also self-aligning. The Self-aligning square is not an EZ innovation. Despite your endorsement, I still like the EZ guide.
I have been attempting to be diplomatic with you, but you make that very difficult.
First you endorse this product as the best thing since sliced bread for anybody who needs to cut a panel, then you take offense that I "downgraded" the tool by referring to using it in construction. What are you using it for? Are you for real? What about the construction trade is a "downgrade" from where you are? Cabinetmaking is still part of the construction trade!
I'm neither capable of nor interested in teaching you anything. You're the only person I know who has "used any and all woodworking tools". What could anyone possibly offer to you?
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Edited 6/16/2007 6:11 pm by Cincinnati
The Self-aligning square is not an EZ innovation.
What makes the other squares to self align?
Show me a link or a picture with the design details to support your claim.
david
"The tool is awkard, dangerous and slow."
David, unadulterated hyperbole that's both laughable and preposterous, but you're entitled to believe it and you'll get no argument from me.
I'd be wasting my time offering a counter argument. It would be like arguing with those deeply unlovely people, the born again Christians and Jehova's Witnesses, that feel the need to bang on your door all the bloody time and irritate the pants off perfectly happy residents. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
I'd be wasting my time offering a counter argument.
You're talking to somene who used any and all woodworking tools, including computerized beam saws. The most productive and safe industrial tool ever made.
If you look at the ez smart system design, you may find that the system is a portable beam saw. An upside down beam saw.
Have you seen the Bridge system?
Have you seen the Ez Cabinetmaker and all the ez inventions?
Without knowning the other tool...how you can offer any counter agroument?
the born again Christians and Jehova's Witnesses, that feel the need to bang on your door all the bloody time and irritate the pants off perfectly happy residents. Slainte.
This thread and the two videos was about squaring and cut to size cab-parts.
Make a video and show us your way. People like to see and learn. Including me.
david
I haven't seen every single bit of the EZ Smart system, but I've seen enough to know that it's very, very good, with one caveat. From what I've seen its strengths come into their own if you primarily work wood and make cabinets and the like on site, not in a workshop.
Good as the system may be for that kind of work, there's no way that I'd be willing to do all that fiddling around in the workshops I'm familar with. In other words I wouldn't swap the sliding table saws, rip saws, bandsaws, planing machines, spindle moulders, etc., I can turn to now for the EZ Smart system. On the other hand if I was stuck out on a job site with none of the machines I've just mentioned to hand I'd happily turn to something like the system you're promoting.
Beam saws, computerised or not are just one type of saw I've operated and been around on and off for a considerable time, along with hosts of other machinery, even CNC stuff. I'm not interested in starting a checklist of the heavy duty industrial machinery either of us may have experience of in our woodworking pasts, but you can rest assured I'm not easily fazed on that front.
I don't think I'll be taking up your suggestion to make a video on sliding table saw usage. So far I've found I prefer to teach such techniques to my learners face to face-- but it might be an idea for the future.
I don't think there's anything more that's useful to say on this topic. Slainte.
Richard Jones Furniture
Edited 6/16/2007 1:02 pm by SgianDubh
I agree Richard.DW is well down the road to troll-dom, and we should not feed the trolls. They make lousy pets and should be left alone in the wild (preferably far from a broadband connection).Glaucon
If you don't think too good, then don't think too much...
I don't own either the Festool or Eurekazone panel cutting systems, but have looked into both, and they both seem like good alternatives to working panels on a job site or in the shop. Can't say I like your somewhat subtle underhanded method of promoting the Eurekazone and your arrogant attitude in it's use over any other competitors so I have set my knots controls to ignore your posts.
Edited 6/17/2007 4:00 am ET by brownman
I have never used this or a festool .But i don't feel I have to own one to prove to my self that this is nothig more than a T- sq.Which is fine and good. Nothing wrong with selling T Sq's. But to say it is better than any other product ? you need some spec's like how sq is it?Something more than perfect, perfect,perfect like the guy on the vidieo said.Perfect in one persons eyes may be a lot different than some one else.Looks like it might be good enough for roof sheathing though.The T part of it looks way too short.Just stating my opinion.
Just stating my opinion.
To have one...you must first prove to yourself that you have one? :)
david.
The best set of specs is using the tool - I use it on a daily basis and must disagree with your opinion. We use it regularly to process plywood and more and more it is also being used to process hardwood. The unisaws make nice work Tables while we cut with the EZ equipment. In my opinion, the EZ Smart is the easiest way available to process wood. We have improved speed of plywood processing by 30% and at the same time do less work in the process. There is also considerable time savings in cross cutting solid wood but I haven' t attempted to measure that. As for the bulk of ripping hardwoods, we have a stock feeder on a cabinet saw and that would be difficult to improve.
Also the EZ Smart is great for the smaller cuts. What else can you use to rip a 5/16" board into two pieces and not get your hands anywhere near the blade and not use clamps?
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