why do I have the feeling of just having stumbled and heading into a big pile of you know what– I found out about roasted wood from a furniture maker at the Fryeburg Fair in Maine–had some shipped to me and oak looks like purple heart when clear coat ( Deft )is applied==has anyone had experience with roasted wood ? I understand it is not removed from the kilm when the rest of the batch is removed and the cellular structure is changed when the moisture level nears 0
making sawdust vern
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vern , never heard of it , are you yanking our chain or is this for real ?
do you have a picture ?
dusty
Dust,
It's for real. Someone else (maybe on another forum) was talking about it a few months back and I believe they had a link. Tried googling "roasted wood":
Our new product, roasted hardwood, is made by soft maple or yellow birch heated in a very high temperatures in vaccum condition. The resultant color (coffee) is similar to one of walnut but price is cheaper. They can meet all needs of door, flooring, kitchen cabinet, furniture & moulding manufactures. Please contact us for detail and quotation.
And also:
Roasted Hardwood
Soft Maple and yellow birch while drying are “torrified”. In the kiln oxygen is removed at high temperature causing the wood to roast. The resulting color is a fairly uniform brown. Unlike a floor stained to a brown color, the color is consistent through the board. The grain is fine and less defined.
Grades
Select brown
• Boards are brown with variations in hue. Knots and checking are not permitted. We are very happy with this grade and resulting floor. The coloring is a very rich brown with the natural wood qualities in tact.
Lee , what are they gonna think of next ?
Did you ever take a picture of the dust free spray booth ?
Roasted Cherry sounds tasty
dusty
No, but I will get a shot of it in the next day or so. BTW, ever have any fisheye problems w/ laquer?
Lee
dusty,
Local supplier is offering steamed (not roasted) cherry. Color is similar to red cedar. Next thing, we'll be ordering lumber like the coffee at Starbucks: lite roast, shot of steam, hold the milk.
Ray
Can I get an oakaccino, no foam, extra spalting?
Some call it "Caramelized" wood.http://sharpslumber.com/caramelizedmaple.html
Ck,
"Can I get an oakaccino, no foam, extra spalting?"
Not sure, but I'll latte you know.
Ray
Ray , You know we used to buy Cherry as steamed , I'll tell you this , the sap and all of the Cherry look uniform Red typically from the steaming , but after you sand it may present itself differently .When we cut the end grain was dark around the outer edges .
make mine a Vanilla Alder Latte with a dash of Cherry !
dusty
dusty,
Al der latte's are already spoken for. How 'bout I mocha Kentucky coffee tree smoothy for you instead?
Ray
Dangit, Ray -- that needed a spew warning.:)
Leon
"Roasted Cherry sounds tasty "With a crust of basswood, perhaps? ;-)And, at the other end of the spectrum, has anyone tried putting wood in a cryo tank?
Edited 11/14/2008 10:50 am by RalphBarker
hi oldusty thanks for the come back-----it's real-- tomorrow i'll post a picture and check with the suppler to see if he wants to put his name and address out or if there is a suppler nearer to you -- it's not cheap to ship this-- til then --I am going to google this and see what comes up --vernmaking sawdust
Vern,
I brought this material to the Knots discussion table a few months ago and didn't get much of a response. A friend of mine showed me some roasted maple which I casually wrote off as walnut at first glance. Apparantly, it does something (minor) to the structure, which my friend noticed when turning. I think he said he got more sawdust than he normally would.
Chris @ www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Chris , Great more sawdust , just what we need .
Do you think the cell structure and hardness or integrity of the wood is way different ?
dusty
Dusty,
As I haven't worked with it myself, I can't say.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
Dusty,
I am selling:
- boiled pine (small chunks only)
- broiled poplar (only what I can get in my gas grill)
- sushi wood products (locally available forest offerings)
- gently marinaded basswood (goes well with a Chardonnay)I will do exotics, but payment must be received first. I also have the title to the Brooklyn Bridge, and would be happy to trade it for a nice LN or LV #8. MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
I am intersted. I'll trade you my deed for a Veritas #8.
(Veritas doesn't make a #8, by the way!)Chris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
I think that wood looks more like butternut or some kind of other southern wood due to the discoloration. In my opinion it certainly does not look like an expensive wood.
Chris,
Good to hear from you. Hope you are having fun up there in the Frozen North.
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Other than a few frosts it ain't frozen here yet. We are in the soggy corner.
;)
I used to live in the soggy corner but moved to Eastern Ontario about 20 years ago. We've already had several frosts and one 6" dump of wet snow. Golf and fishing are about finished (at least for me) and it's time to head back into the shop and make expensive sawdust!Ron
Q, Just soggy, eh? Notice the "eh"? I am trying to speak your dialect. My daughter in law is Canadian. That's important. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, she just announced that she is preggers. YIPPEE. My oldest son will be a dad, and I will be a granddad for the second time. Their marriage has sealed the fate of the two countries into a unified whole. (Well almost.) To me it is a more important step than Peace Bridge. I now consider all Canadians to be my close relatives. Come on over for lunch.MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,
An acquaintance of mine, a Canuck by birth, tells this story: Back in the days when what is now "Canada" was an un-named territory, it was decided that the new country would be named by drawing letters out of a hat. The Name was chosen with the first three letters, as they were announced to the waiting crowd: "C, eh?", "N, eh?", "D, eh?"
Ray,
PS ah, grampy again, eh?
Ray,
Ray,
I am going to send your anecdote on how Canada was named to my daughter in law. She'll get a kick out of it. I thought it was named after Canada Dry Ginger Ale.Oh yeah, you mentioned the granddad thing. I hardly think about that at all. WRONG! I AM DANCING A JIG! I AM IN SEVENTH HEAVEN! I have more fun with Freddy than I do with doweling :-) A lot more. Can't wait for Freddy to have a cousin. Thanks for bringing that up.MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Mel,
I heard a story about a fellow in Montreal, who'd stayed drunk for years. When asked the reason, he said he'd seen a sign on a bus that said, "Drink Canada Dry!"
Ray
Ray
"I heard a story about a fellow in Montreal, who'd stayed drunk for years. When asked the reason, he said he'd seen a sign on a bus that said, "Drink Canada Dry!"IF you keep this up, the Canadians are going to get mad and cut off our supply of Canadian Bacon. MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Nah, that's way too subtle. We'll just export a few extra cold fronts. . . we have an ample supply!
Gramps (to be),
Yeah, it's just rainy and kind of cool around here. I've been trying to clean up my shop and finish projects that have been hanging around the shop for far too long. It's going well, I'd say.Chris @ http://www.flairwoodwork.spaces.live.com
- Success is not the key to happines. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful. - Albert Schweitzer
A very good hardwood supplier in Ottawa carries roasted maple. It's an attractive wood, but about twice the regular price. I've been tempted a couple of times but I've always managed to walk out of there without buying a couple of boards.
Regards,
Ron
http://kjpselecthardwoods.com/domestics.htm
I have not had any samples of this wood to test, but All of you should know, that one change which happens to wood exposed to high heat, is that it becomes BRASH. This means that a wood which normally would have high strength, and toughness, able to bend, will now suddenly break at lower levels than the normal expected range.
This may not matter for some purposes like floors, but might lead to some liability if used for chair legs, especially with so many people exceeding the normal weight that a chair should be expected to support.
If you get some, you or someone should do some test before setting yourself up. THis would be a good thing for FWW to do.
Did you ever notice that when a fire is popping, large chunks of wood may fly out. This is due to pockets of moisture expanding into steam. But if the wood were normal, the steam would just find a way out as a little geyser through a slit, which a lot does, but when it gets brash, the abrupt failure at both ends can allow big chips to blow out. This is just one example.
roasted wood
yes indeed some thermally modified wood may have inherent problems, however, the new grading grid and compliances standards will alleviate these problems and give you added benefits such as mildew resistance and very nice color throughout the wood
please see : https://www.thermallymodifiedwood.org/
regards Andre
You can get a lot of information on roasted wood or thermally modified wood at:
https://www.thermallymodifiedwood.org/
if you have any questions please write me
regards
Disclaimer - we've been supplying roasted wood for almost ten years so I'm not without bias...
Thermally treating/roasting/torrifying/carmelizing - whatever you want to call it, darkens the wood and makes it very resistant to changes in moistures. It gives you options that would wouldn't normally consider. You could use red oak for exterior house-siding, for example.
We've tried a lot of woods - mahogany, ash, alder, red oak, white oak, maple, etc. Some roast better than others. The color darkens in proportion to the temperature of the kiln. We once ruined a load of maple when a customer asked us to make it "dark as ebony." Live and learn!
http://www.commercialforestproducts.com/roasted-woods/
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