I recently made a set of six cherry dining room chairs essentially basing my work on Jeff Millers book. I liked the chairs so I decided to make two matching armchairs. The chairs and the armchairs seem to be holding up (so far) to my grand children’s punisment, but the tenons of one armrest and it’s support on one of the armchairs just sheared off at their bases. I tried using super glue to secure the pieces. That worked for about two months. I’ve thought about using screws, dowels or expansible dowel pins to secure the armrest and the support. I don’t know which is best. Since the outside surface of the armrest and support are rounded I can’t use a clamp to hold them. I thought of Using super glue to support them while inserting a new support. I know that I can’t really save the aesthetics of the chair but I don’t want to throw it out. It’s too pretty and too young to die. I’m hoping that someone on this list will be able to help save my chair. Oh, the chair is one inch cherry and the tenons were half inch. If I use dowels should they be the same size as the old tenons. Thanks Shalom
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Sounds to me like if you can hold it accurately enough to drill it for dowels you could go the next step and use a " loose tenon ".
You no doubt already know what that is but here is a link. If you click on the first pic you get a string of photos.
http://thecraftsmanspath.com/2007/09/25/loose-tenon-joinery-budget-alternative-festool-domino/
Am I all wet here guys ?
PS: Broke a half inch cherry tenon ! Sign those kids up with the olympic training center !
roc
Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Edited 10/8/2009 1:41 am by roc <!-- ROC2013 -->
Edited 10/8/2009 6:28 am by roc
Sounds to me like a loose tenon is the answer as well, Roc. Better than dowels.
Jimhttp://www.jimreedy.com
Shalom,
I agree that a loose tenon is likely to make for the best repair. Sawing from the underside or bottom of the broken component, or mortising into its end, and inserting a replacement tenon will make an inconspicuous repair that will be nearly as strong, or stronger than, the original construction. Irregularly shaped pieces may need some ingenuity in making a jig or cradle to secure them for safe and accurate manipulation.
Folks (particularly the elderly, or overweight) tend to push themselves up and out of an armchair, which puts a good deal of strain on the arm joints. Often arm design is not sufficient to withstand this downward and outward force.
Ray
Thanks guys, everyone seems to agree that a loose tenon is my best approach. I do have access to a Festool at the Norwalk CT. Woodworking Club. I hesitated because I wonder whether I'll be able to line it all up again. I was planning to drill from the outside and take my lumps as far as appearance goes, just to be able to line it all up again. I will have to make a jig so as to hold all the parts together. I do appreciate your help. When I figure out how to send pictures I'll do that.. Shalom
I was looking on The New Yankee Work shop site for the episode where he makes a simple jig that he clamps to the end of a long plank to rout a mortise for a loose tenon. The site seems to be less user friendly and I did not find what I was after.It was probably the bed project but may have been the work bench. Not sure. I have it some where on vhs but need to do some digging. Maybe on Sunday.Any way it was just a plate of wood with a slot cut in it that he ran a router in with a collar. There were one or two sides screwed and glued onto the plate to help locate it easily on the end of the board.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Thanks Roc. I'll give you six hours to find that article. otherwise you are sentenced to chop down a tree with a dull ax. I am in fact trying to figure out how to line all my tennons up. I suspect that my armrest broke either because the tenons weren't correctly lined up and that I might have twisted them to get them right, or that the tenons somehow weren't supported properly by the rest of the structure. Thanks again. Shalom
>sentenced to chop down a tree with a dull ax<Was it Louis Armstrong that said something like :It's not how sharp your axe is but the way how cha swing it .; )sorry couldn't help it.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )
Edited 10/9/2009 1:06 am by roc
In the Mar-April 2007 issue of FWW, there is an article by Kevin Rodel and plans for building his A&C dining side chair. Part of the shop notes/plan details a jig for routing mortices in chair parts. I recently built 8 chairs using his plan and modified jig and I think it would help you solve your problem as well as providing you with a very useful shop jig.
Doug
Thanks Doug. How in the world do you remember where a 10 year old article is stored. Having a filing system in your head has got to be a tremendous advantage. I'll look for it and thanks. Shalom
LOL - the article is only 2 years old and having just the completed around 180 mortices using the jig, the memory lives on.
No wonder my armrest fell off. I read 1997 instead of 2007. (I even copied 2007) Measure once, think again. The little grey cells they're supposed to make connections but. . . . . Shalom
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