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1. 
   JohnWW | May 21, 2004 04:39pm | #1

   Jeff,

   Easily worth the price if it won't require major repairs to make functional, but can you move it and can you power it without spending a lot of money?  It might weigh a thousand pounds. 

   Also if it has a square rather than a round cutter head it would be considered very dangerous to use.

   John W.

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   Jeff | May 22, 2004 01:47am | #2

   I'm more worried about moving it.

   I figure all the other stuff can be fixed up.

   Can't seem to get ahold of the seller today, so far.

   Any idea how much of this can be taken apart to make it easier to move.

   I moved my 300 lb each planer, jointer, and table saw myself, but a 1000lb jointer will need some extra help.

   Any suggestions would be great.

   I thought of putting it on a pallet with rollers and winching it into a truck (with help).

   Someone has already offered me a round head with 3 blades.

   Also, I believe the whole thing is complete, fence and all.

   Jeff

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   user-39201 | May 22, 2004 05:48am | #3

   Jeff,

   Check out http://www.owwm.com

   Its a very active site and mail list dedicated to those who collect, restore, and use old woodworking machinery. I bought a 12" American and my re-grinding of the tables is on the site. Good luck.

   JK

2. 
   user-39201 | May 22, 2004 05:51am | #4

   Jeff,

   Check out http://www.owwm.com

   I bought a jointer just like yours and by searching the site you'll get a wealth of info.

   BTW, its more like 600lbs. I can skid it myself when I need to. I moved mine with a roll-back wrecker--very easy.

   JK

3. 
   Chairwright | May 23, 2004 11:26pm | #12

   This may or may not help with moving it into your shop, but I use a device called a "Johnson Bar" to move extremely heavy equipment around my shop with relative ease.  (I stress "relative" compared to shoving, prying, and lifting!)  It uses a really long handle on a small pivot dolly for leverage.  I can move my 3,500 lb. planer around by myself by "walking" it one corner at a time.  Mine is an old one.  The only web site I found for new ones follows.  Anyone moving heavy stuff around shouldn't be without it.  http://www.gilmorekramer.com/more_info/oak_hardwood_lever_dollies/oak_hardwood_lever_dollies.shtml

   Bill

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   Jeff | May 24, 2004 01:57am | #13

   Looks handy.

   Seen them before, but never needed one.

   Maybe now is the time.

   Jeff

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   Jeff | May 22, 2004 02:57pm | #5

   Hi all

   I spoke to the fellow selling the jointer last night.

   Jointer is complete and working.

   Has a 3hp 3ph motor, bobbit bearings, fence, little rust, 2 blade round head, belt drive, and 3 legs.

   He is using it very little and going out of the Cabinet business into Home repairs.

   He's closing up the shop to save money.

   I haven't checked out the Old Woodworking machines site, but will do so shortly.

   Biggest problem is moving the unit.

   But, for $400 I can't complain.

   I plan to change the motor to single phase so I'll probably remove it to move the unit.

   Anyone want to trade a single phase motor for 3 phase?

   All help greatly appreciated.

   Jeff

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   RickL | May 22, 2004 08:18pm | #6

   If it's a clamshell type head it's less desirable. Clamshell heads have extra thick knives around 3/8" thick. Old three pahse motors have pretty much no value in trade. Nothing wrong with babbitt bearings per se but if it has the clamshell head a retrofit can be gotten but the babbitt journals are typically a lot wider so retrofitting a head would probably mean using pillowblock bearings. Alternate heads would be a shelix, terminus, or a modern head from Grizzly, etc. You might find info on clamshell heads on owwm.com

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   DaveHeinlein | May 23, 2004 02:52am | #7

   You can dis-assemble the jointer and move it with two or three people. That is what I did with my 8" American jointer, which weighs in at 1100lb.

   Remove the motor&mount, carefully remove both beds, being careful to check for any shims which might be present. If it is a 3-legger, the legs will come off too. Just make sure you remember hhow it all goes back together.

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   Jeff | May 23, 2004 03:01pm | #8

   Thank you, that's very good to know.

   Anyone know what a "Clam-shell" blade head is?

   I don't recognise the term.

   Jeff

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   DaveHeinlein | May 23, 2004 03:25pm | #9

   The 'clamshell' head is the first generation of round heads, where the head is flatened on two sides, the blade is layed on, and the clamping gib is round on the outer surface, flat on the inner. This clamps the knife to the head by way of 2,3,or 4 bolts which go through holes in the knife. It's the shape of the gib that gives it the clamshell moniker.

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   Jeff | May 23, 2004 07:38pm | #10

   Ok, thank you.

   Any idea why it's no good?

   Jeff

2. 
   UnisawA100 | May 23, 2004 11:05pm | #11

   Not Dave but I'll jump in.

   The problem with the clam shell head design is that the screws holding the shell part, and the knives in place, will become longer over time.  Eventually they can bottom out and at that point you aren't really holding the knives in place.

   Now, that is not to say that the clam shell is always dangerous.  Only that under that/those conditions you might not want to be standing near the machine when it gets up to speed.

   By the way, I have an Oliver No. 133 jointer (short bed version) with a clam shell head.  If anyone is interested in it feel free to drop me a line.

   Keith Bohn

3. 
   Jeff | May 24, 2004 01:58am | #14

   Thanks for the heads up.

   I'll watch out for this problem.

   Jeff

3. 
   KeithNewton | May 24, 2004 02:49am | #15

   Go for it. You are crazy if you don't, especially if you can get a new cutter-head. I have replaced old babbit bearings with pillow blocks on several machines.

   Take tools to take it apart and a cart to wheel them out to the truck. Call the seller and ask him about loading, he probably moved it in there and can tell you what you need to bring.

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   Jeff | May 24, 2004 03:30pm | #16

   I've already sent him a check to hold it for me.

   I'll be looking at it this thursday.

   Assuming nothing damaged or cracked, I'll take it.

   As for moving it, he had 4 guys and a lift truck to do it.

   I'm planning something different. I'll remove as many parts to save weight.

   Then plan to put it on a Dolly (or Mobile base I'll build) and winch it into a truck.

   Obviously, he and another person will help.

   It'l go down the same way into my shop and stay on the Dolly while I refurbish it.

   Jeff