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   Shoemaker1 | Oct 17, 2009 05:55pm | #1

   I have not visited the G&G site but just finishing Darrell Pearts G&G book it does mention the finish.
   Chemical treatment: Bichromate of Potash, saturated solution.One part to four parts water. Brush on and wipe off as work proceeds. One coat.
   Filler/Stain:
   Chrome yellow L.3-1/2 parts
   Sylvan Green 1/8 part
   Raw Umber 3 parts
   White Lead 2-5/8 parts
   Use 19 parts of raw oil with dryer. Wipe off.

   After 48 hours rub in oil, wipe off thoroughly. and polish with cheese cloth. After 48 hours repeat the last.

   No mention of shellac. The oil is lineseed oil. I wonder what dryer he was refering to?

   Shoe

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   boilerbay | Oct 17, 2009 07:26pm | #2

   Shoe,Yes, I was aware of that finish.
   It is the Berkeley document and that has become suspect and it relates directly to the Thorsen house which overall presents a red bias finish vs. the yellow bias found in the Gamble work. Of course this could all be a matter of wood lots and the finisher's "Hand". Darrell Peart hangs out a lot on the G&G site and it seemed that he was also wondering about it. Jim Ipekjian, arguably the foremost authority on G & G weighed in with: "I have run across countless claims of "magic" or "secret" finishing formulas. We
   all have, as the result of varying materials, climate, and availability, had to
   develop solutions that fit a particular situation. I would suggest there is no
   magic and there should be no secrets."The fellow that produce these stains worked extensively on the Gamble house and indicated that he was introduced to one of the original finishers there. If he hadn't given him the "secret" he would have taken it to his grave. This was in early 80s. This was all pre-Darrell Peart era. I have noticed Peart's work seems to fall in the true brown to reddish range and perhaps this is the result of the Sylvan green formula.
   The dryer was probably a variation on Japan Dryer. Since these days BLO is most commonly used a dryer would be unnecessary.
   As to the text, it is from a Huntington Library Art collection archive note on finishing the Robinson house. It reads: "CHEMICAL STAIN: Two coats chemical stain, sanded with
   #00 sand paper after each coat; allow 48 hours then.shellac with
   white shellac one part, alcohol seven parts;- Sand with #0000
   sand paper; Apply boiled linseed oil and rub to dull polish with
   cheese cloth. Surfaces must be rubbed with cloths until no oil is
   left on, them. Living Room and stairs, West Sun Room, Dining Room,
   Passages, Nook Den and all Bed Rooms and Closets except No.4. to
   be finished in stain. Make sample for Arohiteot. The Bed Rooms
   and Closets and Passages to be light brownish color and the other
   a dark brown. Walls of Bed Rooms to be papered, and their oeilings
   sized and tinted. Walls of Bed Room closets up to hook strips painted
   with two coats Flattone, tinted above. Walls of Living Room,
   stair well up to second story, west Sun Room and Dining Room painted
   three coats Flattone. Last coat glazed on.Ceilings painted two ooats Flattone. Sizsd ( S-W Mixing eize)
   first if necessary. Ineides of china closet and bookcase. stained
   and finished. Wood knobs and handles to be two toned. East Sun
   Room ceiling painted two coats Flattone. Wood work oil stained
   and shellaced."and a variation ; see attached photosJust wonderingBB
   Edit: the "fellow" that had the secret that was passed on was in fact Donald Hall, son of Peter
   The whole transaction between the current manufacturer and Donald Hall is unwitnessed.

   Edited 10/17/2009 6:18 pm by boilerbay

   
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   Shoemaker1 | Oct 17, 2009 08:22pm | #3

   Those are neat little snipits of history.
   The white lead? does this mean there is lead in the original furniture/houses? did the finishers suffer lead poisioning?
   I worked with on old printer, he said they were given a pint of milk a day to reduce their lead content. This was in the days of hand set type and cast lead printing plates.
   Cabot's Creasote? A tad toxic sounding?

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   boilerbay | Oct 17, 2009 09:03pm | #4

   "White lead?"My first thought was as a filler but more probably as a pigment extender for the other stuff and to control the hues, other than that I don't have the foggiest.BB

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   SteveSchoene | Oct 17, 2009 11:15pm | #5

   The lead oxide would have also provided some flexibilty to any film and acted as a dryer. 

   The lead would have to be ingested for major problems--the printer's problems comes from the vapors from molten lead which is inhaled.  Benjamin Franklin was aware of the dangers of lead poison for  printers casting type. 

   Since just about all paint had lead until the 1970's it's poisoning likely wasn't acute.  The big problem today is old lead paint chips that tend to be sweetish tasting, and ingested by toddlers. 

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   boilerbay | Oct 18, 2009 01:10am | #6

   Steve,"The lead oxide would have also provided some flexibilty to any film and acted as a dryer"Didn't think of that. Good thought.BB

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