I am building a desk and bookshelf in the style of an old fishing dock. Any suggestions on wood species choice and/or ways to age the wood to make it look weathered?
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start out with old wood?
sorry, patina is difficult to fake well..
distressing always does look pretty fake since the real world has stains and cuts and wear that reproduction simply cannot fake well.
Given enough time and skill you can approximate aging but never really duplicate it..
You might try cedars or redwoods. Salt will turn the reds black and oxalic acid wash will turn your cedars old and silvery quickly.
I'd go with west cedar,watch your glue lines, sand, water wash, sand and use acid, then seal. You might even try some sandblasting. Can't help with writing surface as cedar is entirely unsuitable for that.
Glue on some barnacles and kelp...
Can't help with the seagulls or their contributions.
Don't forget to bleach your hawsers around your stiles - best type of dock joinery :-)
Boiler
Edited 5/25/2009 10:06 am by boilerbay
If you are talking about the sort of gray look there are some "recipes" for that. You can also very lightly burn it with a blow torch.
Thanks Gretchen. Where would I find the "recipes" and which wood would you recommend?
I think folks have posted them here. I looked real quickly on google but didn't come up with much. I think one was taking wood ash and making a paste/solution and painting it on and wiping it off. One might have been nails in vinegar and painting that on. What is the "look" you want? And then what finish are you putting on top. Colored shellac might do it. Test boards test boards test boards!! ;o0
Gretchen
Here you go. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=make+new+wood+look+old&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1
Edited 5/25/2009 11:53 am ET by Gretchen
I have used steel wool in water/vinegar and it works good, be careful if you use it on oak it will get dark fast a little goes a long way. I would do distressing first that way the distressed areas will be darker and look older.
ZABO
Cabot makes a product called Bleaching oil. It's designed to make shingles and shakes get that "Cape Cod" look.
http://www.cabotstain.com/products/product/Bleaching-Oil.html
LET ME TELL YOU HOW WE DID IT IN THE MOVIE IMDUSTRY. I WAS A PROPMAKER FOR 30 YEARS AND THERE WERE TIMES WE HAD TO STRESS A NEW TABLE OR CHAIR EVEN A FLOOR. WHAT WE DID WAS GET A CHAIN AND PUT SOME NUTS AND BOLTS IN IT. THEN WE JUST STARTED TO BEAT IT TO WHERE IT WAS TO OUR SATISFACTION. ALSO WORM HOLES LOOK GREAT. TAKE A SHARP PICK OR PICKS AND JUST DIG IN ON A SLIGHT ANGLE. THEN THERE IS SOMETHING FOR THE FINISH TO CRACKLE. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT BUT IT IS SOLD IN STORES. I HOPE THIS HELPS
I am not sure that "distressed" is what this poster desires. I think "old" as in barn wood might just imply color. I know others have also suggested how to gouge, etc. I'd be interested to hear which he is seeking.And it just helps a little in ease of reading posts if you turn off the caps key. ;o)Gretchen
THE CAPS ARE FOR SOME OF THE OLDER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT SEE AS WELL AS YOU DO. THEY ALSO HAVE MORE SEPARATION THEN NON CAPS. I HAVE TO SAY I DO GET THIS ASKED OF ME ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS SUCH AN ISSUE WITH SOME PEOPLE. IT IS THOUGH AND I AM ALWAYS WONDERING WHY IT BOTHERS THOSE PEOPLE SO MUCH? IT'S LIKE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING. I WOOD PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN LIFE. NOE WEATHER SOMEONE USING CAPS OR NON CAPS.
AS YOU CAN SEE I ALSO DOUBLE SPACE. THIS ALSO IS FOR THE OLDER FOLKS THAT ARE HARD OF SEEING. MAYBE ONE DAY YOU WILL APPRECIATE THAT SOME PEOPLE WRITE THERE E MAILS AND LETTERS IN CAPS. IF IT IS REALLY AN ISSUE WITH YOU. I WOOD OR WOULD SUGGEST YOU JUST DON'T READ THE HELP THAT IS GIVEN IN CAPS.
I CAN ALSO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE FONT. SO WHICH WOOD YOU PREFER?
HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND
Edited 5/29/2009 11:16 am ET by KACHINA321
Edited 5/29/2009 11:24 am ET by KACHINA321
Typing in all caps is considered poor "netiquette," for a variety of reasons. For one, it really is harder to read. Our eyes pick up lots of visual cues from the varying ups and downs of lowercase letters. With all caps, those visual cues are gone, and we are reduced to reading the way we did when we were five years old. Overall, using all caps reduces reading speed by somewhere around 15% (see http://www.redish.net/content/books/lettinggoofthewords.html).
For another, all caps makes it look like you're shouting, and nobody likes to be shouted at.
It's certainly true that as we get older, it gets harder for us to read. But larger font sizes, not all caps, is the answer to that problem.
-Steve
Good post Steve.
No need to change. With all due respect, I just won't read it. It IS hard to read. Plus the ettiquette thing. But I have been told (off) for complaining about it for the same reason you give.
Gretchen
RIGHT ON.
TT
I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU...
Kachina,
Not to continue an arguement, but on the internet typing something in all caps is considered screaming at the recipient or reader. It is a way of expressing emotion in text -- which all caps is not considered kind.
As Steve also said, all caps is one of the most difficult styles to read quickly and comprehend -- per research with people of all ages. It is easy enough to change the size of the font if one has visual problems.
Preference you asked? Change the size of the font.
I am having a fantastic weekend in the shop. May you enjoy life also.
Alan - planesaw
thank you you do the same
Kachina,
Thanks, will do. What sort of things do you make with wood? Don't know that I have "met" you, so-to-speak, here before.
Have made cradles for grandkids, more Shaker oval boxes than I ever intended, and really like Shaker furniture.
Alan - planesaw
Hey Alan, I haven't been doing very much since now I live with my brother and sister in law. I like to do big stuff like entertainment centers, bars and i do some chairs.
I am not set up here. So everytime I need to do something I have to pull the table sat inside the garage. It's covered outside and I live in Vegas where it is very dry. So I don't have a problem leaving out side.
I hope I gave you some good ideas on stressing wood.
Good Luck abd Stay Well, Dennis
Dennis,
Wow! Small world. I live in Pennsylvania now, but lived in Vegas '75 to '84.
Alan - planesaw
I HATE IT HERE. I MISS THE BEACH IN CALIF. I GREW UP IN NEW YORK ON THE BEACH. THEN MOVED TO CALIF. BY THE BEACH. JUST WAY TO EXPENSIVE TO LIVE ON THE BEACH IN CALIF.
IF ANYONE BOUGHT A SHACK IN THE 60'S ON THE BEACH FOR A SONG AND A DANCE. IT'S WORTH MILLIONS NOW. WHO KNEW, PLUS I WAS NOT EVEN OUT THERE YET.
I WAS VERY LUCKY TO WORK IN THE STUDIOS. THERE WERE NATIVE CALIF. THAT COULD NOT GET INTO THE STUDIOS. I STARTED TO WORK IN THE STUDIOS ABOUT A MONTH AFTER I GOT TO CALIF. NOT KNOWING THE DIFF. BETWEEN A PLATE AND A STUD.
DENNIS
Greetings Kachina:Welcome to Knots! Could you please tell us a little about yourself, which you can do by completing the profile information. It will make your Knots experience more fulfilling.This is a great forum and resource to any woodworker. Like all fora, it has its quirks, its share of curmudgeons, but mostly some really knowledgeable folk that are happy to share.Finally, please turn off the ALL CAPS. The reasons for this are well documented on this thread and elsewhere.Regards,Hastings
Or, of course, one could just choose to ignore all your posts by putting you on their "ignore list" if your use of all caps is an issue to them. As an older reader with vision issues, I choose to not read material written in all caps.
I have found that lye, especially in the form of EASY OFF oven cleaner is perfect for cherry and soft maple. First surface your wood, then moisten with water and blot off any puddles. Just spray an even coat of oven cleaner on and blend it all in with a rag. Wait about 5 minutes and dowse the wood with water. Allow lt to dry, knock back the raised grain and apply dewaxed shellac as a sealer. There is a learning curve so a little practice won't hurt. You'll be amazed what happens to cherry. NICK
Rambling - This is something picked up from bonsai, where the object is to make the tree in the pot look old - very old. I'll spare you the horticultural details, but one of the aspects of this is making freshly-dead wood on the tree look as if it's been there several hundred years. And it will definitely work on a furniture piece, though this is fairly radical, and takes some effort - I would highly suggest that you practice on scraps until you get the effect that you want.
For a piece of wood to truly look as if it's been in the weather for a century, you need a certain kind of color and a certain kind of damage. The first one other posters have hit on - the "weathered gray" look. Here's how to achieve it:
The first thing to accomplish is the damage, which is erosion of the softer parts of the wood with the harder, latewood left proud of the surface - somtimes it's compared to cordoroy (sp?) fabric:
You will need a so-called "bead blaster" - you can rent one at a lot of industrial equipment rental places, and a bag of crushed walnut shells. The latter item can sometimes be found at the equipment rental places, but you may have to do a web search. The purpose for the walnut shells is that you want an abrasive that's sharp rather than round (as the beads or sand are). What one does is to blast the surface of the wood (obviously), and with varying degree depending on the wood's location - if it's a horizontal surface or end-grain, go especially hard at it, and less on vertical, protected surfaces. Obviously, this technique needs a wood selection that is amenable to the procedure - the harder softwoods with high latewood/earlywood contrast work best, such as cypress, juniper and yellow pine, but species like red/ white oak, ash, and reclaimed chestnut also work well.
The end result of this treatment should be that you've eroded the early wood, typically down about 1/16" from the surface.
Follow this treatment up with a blowtorch and a flame spreader - you're not after burning or charring the wood (thought that might look quite good on the end-grain portions), you're just trying to remove the "fuzzies" from the blast treatment.
There is, by the way, an alternative to the bead blaster - a heavy duty industrial side-grinder with a wire brush wheel. It's not as convincing as the bead blaster, but it does work.
Once you've got the surface to your liking, you need to bleach the wood and then color it. One of the best ways to do this is to use Lime Sulfur. It's sold in garden stores as an insect-control spray. It will bleach the wood, leaving it bone white, and the effect is instantaneous - I find it much faster and more convenient than the oxalic acid/peroxide "wood bleach" sold in paint stores. Afterwards (whichever method you choose), wash the piece throughly with running water and allow it to dry, which will open up some checking on the end-grain surfaces (desirable).
Finally, to get the bone-white color back to weathered gray, mix up a solution of weak coffee - preferably about a tablespoon of brewed coffee in about a cup of water. Use a sponge or a spray gun to go over the piece with this, and continue with additional coats or stronger coffee until you get the wood to the desired shade of darkening.
Then seal all of this with a good, matte film finish - either flat laquer or shellac with a flatting agent added to it.
This procedure is clearly a lot of work, but the final effect is very convincing.
There are a lot of good methods here. I would keep them all in mind. For aging, I usually use vinegar or concentrated pure apple juice like you get from the freezer section of a grocery store. (Very acidic, be careful!) Not all woods react the same, and sometimes it takes a while to see the effect, so a few small chunks of wood would be good for a test.
The paint stripping plastic bristle wheels you can put on a drill can do a good job of distressing, but they take a bit of artistry to get right.
When I want a strong feeling of age, but don't want to sacrifice the strength, lose the color too much, or leave active chemicals in the wood, I use a clear milk paint coating to get a deep yellowing with a dry feel on a hard finish.
If you mix powdered milk with undiluted concentrated apple juice, you can make a very hard and solid milk paint coating. If you mix this with oil and make an emulsion, it will remain a bit flexible, but without that it will be nearly impossible to remove, but can chip, especially in a thick enough coating. This will impart an old yellow solid coating that has a very dry and old feel to it unless quite a bit of oil is added.
For a bit more information on milk paint, check out http://toolmakingart.com/2008/06/16/two-layer-milk-paint/
Bob
Thank you for all the varied responses to my query. I have decided to use ash for my wood choice and picked up a couple of board feet to play with, so I'll try some of your suggestions and see what happens. One more question, is it better to "age" the wood before assembly (once the joinery members are completed) or after the piece is assembled and glued? My goal is "weathered fishing dock" appearance.
It's easier to weather before assembly, and it also gives you an opportunity to tweak joints that may have gotten a little out of whack during the weathering process. But it will look more authentic if you do the weathering after assembly.What is your timeframe for this? If you've got a month or two, you can get a genuine weathered finish pretty easily. Just leave the desk outside, in a place where it will get some sun, but not the full onslaught of high noon. And bring it indoors if you expect more than a sprinkle of rain.-Steve
"One more question, is it better to "age" the wood before assembly (once the joinery members are completed) or after the piece is assembled and glued? My goal is "weathered fishing dock" appearance."
That depends on the method you select for "aging". If you do it solely by coloring the wood with dyes/stains/oxidants, you should be fine to age the pieces before assembly, then do some touch-up afterwards.
If you go for the more authentic, but harder to do, structural aging of the wood (i.e., the sand-blaster, wire brush, burning with a torch, etc...), you may run into problems if you do it before assembly unless you're really scrupulous about protecting the joinery surfaces.
Not only that, but be aware that some of the processes and materials suggested in this thread may cause some wood movement, which could be a real headache at assembly time.
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