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   Don01 | Dec 11, 2009 05:59pm | #1

   Matt Kenny in 48994.46 already point us to that site as it uses the same software as is now being deployed at Taunton.

   Unfortunately, the lemmings heading for the cliff have not shown any interest in letting the site evolve in an orderly manner.

   Don

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   Taigert | Dec 11, 2009 06:41pm | #2

   Don,

   It so sad to sit here and watch this mass panic, it's like someone has yelled 'FIRE" in a crowded theater.

   If Lumberjocks is using the same software that Knots is moving to, I can live with it. I haven't had any problems finding my way around @ LJ's. There are some parts of it I like better than what we have here.

   But what I can't figure out is the way these grown ups are carrying on about this change that hasn't even arrived yet. Perhaps Taunton is trying to make sure the software is working in a similar way that the members are asking for.

   It's to bad that a change has to be made, but thats the way the cookie crumbles. There are a lot of people who just don't deal well with changes of a kind. In this day and age, with the way the economy has tanked we all should be thankful that we even have access to Knots and other sites. I'm not sure of the exact cost of running a site like this, but I do know it is expensive. And I'm sure that Taunton has seen a decline in revenue over the past couple of years. The cost that we pay is so minimum, and they haven't looked at getting any deeper into our wallets to cover their increased costs of maintaining these forums. I for one would not complain if the costs were increased. It's not that I'm loaded with money. It's just that if we were all paying a larger part, perhaps things could be more along what we all want. But as long as its free I don't see were we should be complaining so much.

   I've most likely ruffled enough feathers again and best keep my mouth shut.

   Have a good day, back home,

   Taigert

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   mbholden | Dec 11, 2009 06:46pm | #3

   Taigert
   Shows just how different the experience can be for people. I signed up for LumberJocks over a year ago, but dont go there very often as I cannot find my way around. There seems to be a lot of content, but finding it, navigating, -- I am lost.
   What I would consider a well designed forum is the Sawmill Creek, easy for me to use, YMMV.
   Mike

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   Taigert | Dec 11, 2009 08:01pm | #5

   Mike,

   I looked at Sawmill Creek a few years back, there was some thing about it that I wasn't sure about. It was something I was not familiar with and didn't have the time to take getting used to something new. Perhaps seen as I have more time on my hands than work I'll wonder over there and check it out.

   I normally divide my time between Knots, Lumberjocks, and Tommy MacDonalds forum, Major League Woodworking. What I really like about Lumberjocks is there are a number of forums that are directed at Pro's. Also some that deal more with design than any other site I have found.

   I took a look at Breaktime Classic, but too many adds for my liking. Some of the ad's were the ones that keep flashing, I find them to be way to annoying. I looked at the properties of some of the ads and they just seemed to have malware/virus's and other signs & symptoms of stuff I don't want on my computer. I see that stuff and I run. I don't need to go through that nightmare again way to expensive to fix  for me.

   I really hope everything works out here, I'll admit I don't really like change myself. But what ever happens I won't be jumping ship, till me feet start getting wet from water running over the decks. I'll most likely end up going down with the ship.

   Taigert

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   Don01 | Dec 11, 2009 07:36pm | #4

   Taigert,It is to bad because these "customers" are showing no confidence in the ability of the Taunton staff to get this new software running then start the tweaking.
   Some of the most selfish inflexibility I have encountered in a long time.I am sure there are some staffers at FW who would just as soon pull the plug as listen to some of this nattering. Anyway, I believe in supporting the effort and giving the Taunton staff my support through this transition. ThanksDon

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   Taigert | Dec 11, 2009 08:08pm | #6

   I guess that within any group of people you are always going to have a percentage of people who are like that. No matter what you do you will never satisfy them, they are going to complain just for the sake of complaining. The problem is they stir up the dust and get some of the quite ones wound up as well. If you study what causes a crowd of people on the street to turn into a unruly mob or a full blown riot. Its the same thing,

   Hopefully all will work out for the best.

   Taigert

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   jagwah | Dec 12, 2009 03:51am | #8

   Wow, it's going to be fun to see what you think after your side switches. Have you even gone over to Breaktime, Cooks Talk or Over The Fence and tried to navigate around and see what's ahead of you?

   I hope the delay for Knots has been due to these  issues and they want to do better here. I visit all the sites but mostly Breaktime then Knots. Our complaining is for the apparent loss of a good companion who's not here for us any more.

   I truly hope they get it together as does most of us at Breaktime. 

    

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   Don01 | Dec 12, 2009 11:32am | #11

   My position has not been to support this endeavor come hell or high water, but give show a little respect and let the folks behind the scenes do what they say they are going to do. If they cannot deliver then at that time I will make my decision, but until then my world is not going tocome apart because I am incapable of finding discussion items in what ever flavor of the new forum gets launched.And why would you think it fun if I or anyone else experienced difficulty?
   I am not laughing anyone who is?
   I am concerned by the intensity of the comments being directed at the Taunton organization.
   I am only advocating what I said above.Where did the the "sides" crap come from?
   Has this now turned into a contest?Wow

   Edited 12/12/2009 4:28 am by Don01

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   jagwah | Dec 12, 2009 06:40pm | #13

   Just this tone of yours. i and others by our decent mean no less a love of taunton only it's choices of late.

   You and a couple of others have made it sound here like we,(BT'ers), are not allowed over here.

   My point is this is a villiage of many yards. The fences are low and when you see a neighbor complaining that their lawn and landscaping is dying due to a change in the way the lawn maintenance company has cared for it, the same lawn care company that cares for all our lawns. We're trying to say their coming to do yours soon as any good neighbor would do warning a friend.

   You stand there and call us out saying we have no right to complain and that give it time it'll grow back, it probably will. But still our lawn is dead and we can't find our cat!

   Find the humor in my reply, except your part of a villiage and hide the weemon and children they's comin, friend.

    

    

   Edited 12/12/2009 10:46 am by jagwah

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   Napie | Dec 12, 2009 07:56am | #9

   That's awfully superior of you. If you like it then stay and support it, but those that don't are not wrong for exercising their right to go elsewhere.

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   Don01 | Dec 12, 2009 11:51am | #12

   I never said you were wrong to want to go away, I just think you should because the pain is so blatantly obvious. You have the cure but not the will to use it.
   I joined this forum in 2006 and most of what you have contributed is how bad a job FWW is doing of everything.
   I would rather hear of your woodworking experiences and advice etc than the constant reminders of why you no longer subscribe ad nauseam...
   This can't be healthy.I do not think I am superior, but I do believe that the folks working behind the scenes to keep this forum alive in whatever form it will be should be given a chance to deliver. If this takes a week or a month so be it.If that makes me appear to be superior then I am proud to be so.

   Don

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   Jammersix | Dec 12, 2009 03:50am | #7

   I'd say it's more like yelling "snakes".Most people understand fire, and you can see fire.P.S. I'm a member of Lumberjocks. I spend my time here.The "new" forums, the ones that take their computers and leave because of this change, are missing three things: One, they don't publish Fine Woodworking, two, they're not Taunton, and three, no matter what they do, they never will be.

   Edited 12/11/2009 7:52 pm by Jammersix

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   Napie | Dec 12, 2009 07:58am | #10

   Doesn't being so self righteous get a bit exhausting?

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   mdorsam | Jul 10, 2020 12:19pm | #14

   I've always been a fan of the Smothers' Brothers skit where the one yells "Chocolate, Chocolate" rather than "Fire, Fire"...

   I've given-up on Lumberjocks: I find that among the small number of serious woodworkers who know what they're talking about, there is a vast number who want-to-be woodworking commentators; or woodworker influencers: Equipment being 'reviewed' by those just un-boxing something; and extolling the virtues of their latest cheapest tool; or, the one I like the most "I have $5, what Table Saw should I buy...".
   The Wood Working Web... which now has some new weird name... was refreshing; though, it effectively died from lack of its members engaging in serious commentary.
   Perhaps the age of Forums has passed...
   Personally, I think Tauton, and Fine Woodworking, missed a golden opportunity to set itself above the fray... to do it right; but they got blindsided, or short-sited, perhaps just run-over. With their wealth of professional archives, they could have set the standard.
   This is all just my opinion, and my perspective. I spend too much time in the shop, designing and building things for friends & family; and because of this, I'm really behind the times, stuck in my own time-warp.

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   GW52 | Jul 10, 2020 03:37pm | #15

   I don't know why they did away with the old format of Knots. It was easy to navigate and find old posts. Because some thing is newer it is not always better.