I need to control my dust on the job. Sometimes I have a planer, joiner and a tablesaw setup on the job. I thought about fein and/or festool vac. I like them for using hand power tools but I was looking at the small horizontal dust collectors that are on casters. I was also considering the oneida canister systems that hook up to shop vacs. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
“When the job is perfect, we’re almost done.”
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Homey,
Just saw a restaurant in overhaul being handled by a single trim/furniture guy and he had Fein but I don't think it was keeping up with his Powermatic contractors saw. Most don't control the dust but if your client really needs it, then I would think a Oneida Canister with an octopus to flex hoses with blast gate on each flex hose would do the job.
regards,
BB
Onida has a really nice little cyclone that is portable it sits on a tripod that you can even put casters on. The nice thing is that it will keep up with a planer, and with a canister filter you will have next to no dust to clean up.
Taigert
Glad to hear your concern. Was on a jobsite recently where the finiishing conttactor had ZERO dust asbatement. His dust , and at the end of the day iy was at least an inch thick around his area, infiltrated every nook and cranny of this reno.
His dust collection system was a broom (not even his!!)
You can collect alot of the dust onsite with a simnple dust collector. To my pea brain, that would collect 80% of te sawdust from conventional activities.
A good shop vac and a decent wand will do the final clean up.
inevitably there will be some spill-over of dust, which is likely unavoidable , but for the really o/c, one of them Hepa filtratoion systems will take out a lot of the finer stuff left floating in the air.
Of course the drywallers/painters come in and sand to their needs, and not a modicum of worry for the dust they create,
To my mind, if you've got your own dust under control by whatever means, typically site conditions indicate to me that you better have yer "scripts" practiced.to encourage the other trades tp "buy in" to a cleaner environment, or else u is left sitting like some neat-freak/laughing stock.I'm thinking that the most effective methodology might be to insult their mothers, but I ain't sure that this wold have any effect on the worst offendetratis... the "dustyeffskies"
I've walked into a site where I had tarped finished floors only to find that the drywallers had scammed my 12x12 tarps to protect floors while they chopped out and retaped ceiling joints (ever try to fit a 12x12 in the washing machine eh?
One same morning, the finisher had "borrowed" my other 12x12 to go under his TS cand Chop saw,the owner had decided that one of my 3x12's would be good under his piano, and that all of the foam I had over the granite countertops would be good to keep the dirt off of his floors.
Par for the course, But I looked the finishing carpenter straight in the eye and said.
"I need my tarp back" and " Now". He clearly bemoaned the fact that he would have to dissassemble his set-up, and I said to him. You have my cel phone #, if you wanted to ask before you did it, you could have. Now I need it.
Grunts and groans from him, the poor puppy could have put two and two togerher instead of assuming I wouldn't care. He didn't talk to me for the rest of the week.
The painters, when they pulled out, they started lifting any tarps on site. As if only painters have tarps eh? Do you have yer name on yours, or can you afford to replce em for every job? Bearded in the den, I asked them to at least shake them out, which they didn't, but at least they left them behind.
Point I'm trying to make is that ya, you can practice dust control to the max, but if the rest of the players ignore it, or worse yet, expect you to do their clean up, yu is gonna be left holding the (garbage) bag, and footing the bill for same.
Some WWers have some clue as to how to clean up after themselves, but in damn near 40 years of carpentry experience and study of ancient tcarpentric tomes, I can't recall EVER seeing any admonition to tradesmen that "your mama don't work here- so clean up yer own mess"
You can chose o play the same game of not.
OTOH, you can sure tell them tradesmen who was taught well. and /or have pride in their reputation They don't need to be told to pick up their trash. They know that harnony within the trades is facilitated by cleaning up yer own mess and a tad more, cause it makes the whole group look good,
So what is yer best line or "script" to politely but firmly encourage jobsite cleanliness amongst other trades?
And in this economic situation that we find ourselves in, doncha think that the cleamer tradesman will be preferable to the less clean eh?
Eric in Calgary
A friend of mine uses one a small portable dust collector to augment the cyclone in his shop. It's used when he pulls out a rarely used machine that isn't permanently connected to the cyclone. Or I think that it'd be great for a blade guard DC on the table saw? It's a model like the one below from PSI, it has a 1ยต bag too.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC3-1M.html
Hmm... Was just thinking. Yah, this small DC would be great for the blade guard on my table saw. But I forget that I don't have a blade guard! (Don't lecture me Sarge!) ;)
I sell Festool dust collectors, and would highly recommend them for what they were designed for . However, the are not really suited for machinery like you are using. Many of the small roll around systems would be better---Steel City, Jet, Oneida, Delta, Grizzly, etc. They all make different sizes. Check the cfm requirements for the tools you will use. ( Bigger is better) That also depends on if you will use one tool at a time or multiples. I agree with others, it's nice to see someone actually trying to control dust on site. Good luck with your search.
I like the shop vac dust collectors for hand power tools. I got that covered. But I found a small grizzly unit for 140 bucks that has 450 cfm. http://grizzly.com/products/1-HP-Light-Duty-Dust-Collector/G1163
I will be running one machine at a time on it so do you feel that the grizzly would be able to handle the dust? Or do I have to shell out some more money for the slightly larger one from penn.
The one from penn industries is nice but its more expensive. http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC3-1M.html
Please let me know what you think Mr. dust man "When the job is perfect, we're almost done."
Homedimensions:
My advice is to do a lot of reading up before buying anything. When I last did some research it seems the recommendation was a CFM of at least 500 to handle most tablesaws, jointers, planers, etc. If you are looking to go cheap, Penn has this one for not much more than the Grizzly.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC660P.html?mybuyscid=3948424329
It has 650 CFM and comes with a 1 micron bag. You may want to investigate adding a trash can with cyclone lid to catch the big stuff before it gets to the bag. I don't know what that would do to the CFM, but it would pull it down.
Good luck, you're doing the right thing. I'm Operations Manager for a GC and I know from experience zip walls don't stop the finer dust from going everywhere. I haven't been able to convince anybody it is cheaper (and healthier) to collect the dust at the source than spend one fifth of the job time sweeping, vacuuming, and wiping surfaces down. They all think I'm nuts for wearing a face mask while the dust is flying.
gdblake
OK-- here's my opinion. Get as much as you can afford. I would definitely go with the Penn State because the CFM is almost double the Grizzly. I assume your are talking about a bench top planer. Keep in mind that the bags for these systems are not going to hold a lot if you are planing very much, but the size of the units are great for jobsite use. The question is, is price really important, or is long term ability to grow into a unit more important. If you are looking again at another dust collector in a year or two, how much money did you actually save? You need to evaluate your future needs based on what you plan to do long term. There are so many variables involved in tool choices that it's hard to really give great advice, so take this for what it's worth.Kent --Lubbock,Texas
My low budget solution- a 20 gal. Shop Vac equipped with a HEPA filter (Clean Stream) and filter bags. The stock hose fits my jobsite saw. For my circular saw and RO and belt sanders (all PC's w/ 1" outlet) I use PC's dust collection hose and an adapter to hook up to the vac. Not quiet but very effective. For a planer, not so much. Plan on the occasional clog and frequent emptying; I think that would be true of most any vac and a planer. The small horzontal DC systems might be a good solution if you run a planer often on the jobsite- the 4" hose should be a lot less likely to clog. My one reservation with these are the bags- most I've seen have 30 micron bags. Fwiw Grizzly has one on sale, the G1163, for about $140.
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