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   Sancho | Nov 13, 2003 03:04am | #1

   I got and like the accuspray, but jeff Jewitt http://www.homesteadfinishing.com has a good variety of gun all of them are conversion type though .

    

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   Tao | Nov 13, 2003 04:12am | #2

   Look at the post under Tools for Woodworking titled "Good HVLP setup".  I just bumped it to the top.

   If it's not covered in that discussion, you probably don't need to know it.

   Michael R

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   CRAIGCONEY_M | Nov 13, 2003 07:17pm | #3

   I've followed that thread and has made me do more research. What concerns me about the Accuspray is the delrin cap. 

   The setup I want if I go conversion is an HVLP gun with a 2 qt pressure pot.  I noticed Wagner and Astro have "economy" versions.  Any feedback on these?  

   I am also trying to minimize my capital expendatures and keep it to a minimum until I get jobs to upgrade to top of the line equipment.

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   Tao | Nov 14, 2003 02:27am | #4

   Craig,

   I don't know anything about Wagner's guns.  A lot of pros seem to like the $100 Astro gravity gun.  It certainly seems to be the best cheap gun out there, but I don't know about their presure feed guns.  Presumably they are just as good (?).  The one drawback is they use more air than some of the others, and require a bigger compressor.  I can't remember their air requirements, but they are posted where they are offered for sale.  A pressure feed gun generally requires less air than an equivalent gravity or siphon feed gun.

   I have a two quart Binks pressure pot that I never use.  It is the most awkward thing I can imagine.  The screw- on cap is a pain (as it is in the accuspray gun I tested). and there never seems to be a good place to put it.  Plus, it's hard to clean.

   People don't seem to realize that with a 2 1/2 gallon pressure pot, you can put anything from a pint to a gallon can inside it, spray as much as you like, then put a can with a pint or so of thinner inside, run it through your fluid hose, wipe down the gun and your pickup tube, adn you're done.  Faster than cleaning a cup gun, but slower than a gravity feed.  Plus, the pot sits on the floor, any where you want, nice and stable, or it can be hung from a ladder or scaffold.  I bought both my pressure pots for $25 each at garage sales.

   I buy equipment when the job requires it, or when I get a good deal on something that I have been planning to buy because it will make me money.  I never buy anything just to have it, other than a few antique tools.  A lot of folks don't need an industrial quality gun.  They don't need the speed.  Most any gun will spray good if you overthin the material.

   Hope this helps.

   Michael R.

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   CRAIGCONEY_M | Nov 14, 2003 10:12pm | #5

   Michael,

   Thanks for the input.   I currently have a PC 3 horse pancake compressor using the PC gravity feed HVLP gun(PSH-1).  It has some limitations, so I am looking for a pressure pot setup.  I  can hang the 2 qt pot on my horses, as I have a platform I use for finishing, so that's not a problem if I get a longer fluid/air hose.  I do need the flexibility of having a pressure pot so I can get into tight places.   

   I am considering the 2 Qt pot rather than the 2.5 gal pot due to space limitations & storage.  I have also been holding off buying a larger compressor due to the same reasons. 

   I have tried to locate info online for the Astro Gun and have played phone tag with support from toolparadise.com. 

   I have a job coming up next month that I need to spray enamel on, so I need to get serious about the purchase.  In January I will have an entertainment center to do that will require stain and poly. 

   Do you have any suggestions for water filters/driers?  The one I have does not seem to do very well and I don't want to spend a fortune on one either.  HF has one for $40, but I have always been skeptical on most of their product.  Most others I have seen run over $100.

   Also, do you have any experience with hooking up an auxiliary tank to the compressor for additional supply?  My pancake compressor appears to have the same motor/compressor as one of the larger units I am looking at.  

   Thanks,

   Craig

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   larryscabnuts | Nov 14, 2003 10:41pm | #6

   I have a Graco HVLP that I bought from Sherwin Williams. I got the model 3800 and it works very well. I even got them to match a mail order price. If you are a a commercial user like I am get the best you can afford plus the Sherwin Willians store managers will discount ya a little. (all products) I also use S-W pre cat.

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   Tao | Nov 15, 2003 03:36am | #7

   Craig,

   Spraygunworld.com has an Astro pressure/siphon feed gun for $82.95.  Its maximum air consumption is about 8.2 CFM at 40 PSI.  My little side - stack compressor would keep up with it, but I don't know about your pancake.  I think you need to buy it with the pressure setup.  I wouldn't be afraid of it for the price, if my compressor would handle it.   Your compressor really just needs to be rated close to the gun's maximum consumption.  It's pretty hard to actuallyhave the gun triggered more than half of any given hour.

   Extra air storage is not much of a solution.  Bigger compressors come with bigger tanks in order to even out the cycle time.  With a little compressor and an extra tank you get to spray a little longer before you run out of air, but you still run out of air....

   As for filters, all I have ever used for spraying is a cheap filter / separator, except in industrial situations. The 40 dollar ones from HD or Lowes work just fine.  I have a cart to hold my pressure pot, hose, and gun, and I just have a mini filter / regulator on it.  Works fine.  I spray everything from NC to catalyzed urethanes.  Remember to drain your compressor daily and drain the separator whenever water starts to build up.

   You're going to hate that 2 quart pot, I'd wager.  A cheap 2-gallon pot is only 10" in diameter and maybe 18" tall overall, and has a lot of advantages.

   Michael R

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   CRAIGCONEY_M | Nov 15, 2003 10:22am | #8

   Michael,

   My pancake is the same spec as the twinstack PC, I chose it more for the package- the techs at the local service center and the call center assured me that it was the same.  Hard to tell unless they are side by side.

   It looks like I will try the Astro unit if I can get ahold of them for pricing.  I'm willing to try it before upgrading my compressor.

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   TomT226 | Nov 15, 2003 03:24pm | #9

   Got a 2 qt Cal Technologies pot from Homestead finishing, and works great along with the Asturo 9010 HVLP.