I’ve been sharing woodworking “knowledge” with others for over twenty-five years through the club format. I’ve just reviewed the debate “LN has been assimilated” on this forum and I am disappointed that a thread of over 60 messages did not add one iota of useful knowledge to the woodworking community. I am an avid follower of several woodworking forums to see what others are doing and how they are doing it. Seldom will you find a 60-message thread on issues that contribute to a readers desire for “self improvement” information.
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I think it all depends upon what you consider "useful knowledge."
First, if you don’t like the topic or content there is a simple fix, don’t read it. Second I notice that in two and a half years you have a total of 24 posts so just how much are you contributing here?
I'm not sure I follow you. You say you are an avid follower of several forums and "Seldom will you find a 60-message thread on issues that contribute to a readers desire for "self improvement" information." Please clarify. Are you saying this is true for all forums or are you contrasting this to others.
I've only been around here for a short while, but I like it. I come here after years on Breaktime(Fine Homebuilding) and Slashdot - News for Nerds. Each has its own flavor and rythm, pluses and minuses. On Slashdot you get a lot of juvenile junk mixed in with deep info. Breaktime will generally give a good discussion of different approches to a problem, but if women are mentioned, there goes a hundred comments, humor's pretty good though. Here there seems to be a bit more ego strutting around the shop than out in the field and some poor guy with such a chip on his shoulder he keeps whacking passerbys, every time he turns around. But I've learned a lot, had questions thoughtfully answered,pointed in useful and interesting directions, been exposed to new things and met some truly nice people. And seen some beautiful work. Currently I recommend the walnut desk in the gallery section and watch for Lataxe he's working on a Hayrack table.
I've worked construction going on forty years; residential, commercial and computer programming. It tickles me when people are condescending. Some in the field are the same way, they call people here box-makers out of ignorance, envy or humor.
Forums are like walking onto a jobsite into an office or a shop;
There's Mr. know it all
There's that funny chick
There's been there done that
Oh hey good to see you
Watch that guy he's good
Watch out for that 'un
He don't say much, but when he does, listen
She'll give you the straight scoop
......
I just cull the woodpile, grab the good stuff and leave the warped.
Sorry for rambling, gotta go finish this greenhouse.
It's a beatiful day.
P.S. Lead by example
Edited 3/21/2009 12:50 pm ET by habilis
Edited 3/21/2009 12:56 pm ET by habilis
I just cull the woodpile, grab the good stuff and leave the warped.
That's about right.
d
I agree with Stanley2. That thread and a couple of others have really fallen apart into a lot of bickering and nastiness of the kind to which most childrens' mothers would put an immediate stop. I keep reading with a sort of horrified fascination.
Joe
I stopped reading after a couple comments. Don't know why anyone would have to read the whole thing to figure where it was going. I think Breaktime is more aptly named to label the discussions. Btw, that shoulda been hayrake table; bugged me, glad everybody else was busy too.
I guess they are enjoying it. I'm not going back to those threads.J
It's certainly gone beyond any April fool possibilities methinks.
After thinking about that for a moment, I'll also add that there are a few grains of wheat amongst all the chaff.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 3/21/2009 7:17 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
At first I thought the silly bickering was humorous,then I decided to use the option button. I wound up deleting 5 or 6 posters.I am not against differing opinions, but self centered righteousness is more than I will take.
Derek, keep posting, I enjoy all of them.
mike
Well it happens.
Why don't you concentrate on some of the rest of the forum content-which far surpasses other forums for useful information, depth of knowledge and amusement?
That thread is out of control because its been already been flogged to death on the woodriver thread... If you read allot here you will notice some also love to toss "raw meat" out here and watch the dogs fight. Samson's thread on the beaded door was marvelous... and there are many more... I read far more then I post; for I could answer something already answered so I don't bother. But every question I have tosses out gets answered buy folks that are knowledgeable and I feel I can trust by reading and lurking so long.Capt. Rich Clark
--DUCT Tape is the "force"... It has a Light side and a Dark side and it binds the universe together
Philip
It is certainly amusing. We should lobby to have it renamed the LN has been asssssimilated / Knotters perfect storm thread.
Tom.
Edited 3/21/2009 8:52 pm ET by gofigure57
Edited 3/21/2009 8:56 pm ET by gofigure57
"Knotters perfect storm thread"
If someone ever came up with a thread that combined shellac, sharpening, off-shore manufacturing, and SawStop brakes we would have internet meltdown.
GeorgeYou don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing. - Michael Pritchard<!----><!----><!---->
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Good one! How about growing your own Lak Beetles at home? Or from the cow to the milk paint rant? 24 posts in two years means he's probalbly making more sawdust that yapping about it. I enjoy some posters like lataxe his humor and whit with a dash of the British perspective is to my informative and mood elevating. I still want the used pencil I think I won on the real mans woodworking calender.!!You have to take the info for what it's worth. It's nice to be able to afford those high end hand tools, but my old garage sale Stanley's work just fine. I get a bigger rush out of finding old tools and restore, than opening the new box. also way easier to tell sweetie I got 3 good planes for 10 bucks, than explaining how I spent one mortgage payment for a high ender" Then when you want a new Power tool it is easier for her to understand. and she knows I'm the cheapest shopper around. Last big sting Makita 10 slider 669 regular price. floor model no box or owners manuel 400.00 cash, downloaded the manuel in 5 minutes. rarely do you get paid $269 for less than and 1/2 total work.
C'mon. . .we gotta have Festool/EZ Smart in the discussion! :<)Regards,Ron
I guess I'm one of those people that enjoys a good argument! I enjoyed reading the whole thread... it kept me busy for an hour or so, not including the time it took me to look up a few of those fancy, scmancey words they were using on each other! Come on guys, I'm from Tennessee - let's keep the big words to a 5th grade level or so. LOL OK, that was a joke so NO flaming from the Tennessee folks. Anyway, I'm kinda new around here and just wanted to say hello to everyone! Lots of knowledgeable folks on this forum and many of whom aren't afraid to post their opinions. Great forum!Sam / TN
A good argument? Maybe I should take another look.
Gufffaaaawwww! Good one!
And welcome to Knots; pull up a chair and make yersef comfortable. You know some folks think knots are a defect, but those are a different kinda knots.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
He's been pulling up a chair here a month longer than you!
Been drinkin your shellac agin Bob? :)
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Oooops, the welcome was fer Sam.
Guess that shows to go ya that I don't do tool reviews, asassinate or assimilate, I did demonstrate back in the 60s though.
Sorry Sam. Mebbe you know, what in tarnation does assimilate mean?
Regards, Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Did I run into you in the Haight?
T.Z.
That was me, covering the riots with a couple of Nikons for UPI.
The good ole days. Tear gas, nightsticks, incense and peppermints.
Then it all went bad when the wiseguys moved in.
What was in those brownies....Boiler
Wasn't the brownies, it was the sugar cubes.
T.Z.
Oh,yeah. Those ones with the little pink dots?
They all surely did act funny when they took dem thingys.As Bob said, "Honest occifer, it wuz the shellac made me dood it."
...after just graduating from Dr. Leary's School of Design and Unusual Woodworking with a BA from the aforementioned LSD.Sorry Bob - those straight lines are too good to pass up:)Boiler
boiler,
Back in the 70s I was on a business trip for Wang and one of the other instructors got bagged by the VA Highway Patrol (?). When the officer asked him to walk a straight line (using the white line marker), he responded with,
"Ya mean without a net unner it!?"
Three hours later we bailed him out of jail.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob,You say it was "one of the other instructors"?
Kind of like I said it was the "other driver" when the officer stopped me on a 17 degree jaunt up to Hanover from Portsmouth in a sliding window TR3 with no heater - Just a bottle of Myers Rum.I was the only car on the road :)Boiler
Funny how talk about nuns quickly turned to booze.
Did I tell you the one about the Nun and the Claret?
Seems there was this vinyard...
I must be a puppy.. Class of 77 Chantilly HS. in Fairfax (first freshman to Senior class)Grew up in SO Calif. Was in the St. Norbert's Church and school for walking to rebelling.. and I don't do the church think anymore either.We did mass as school on Monday, Wed and Friday and then with MOM on Sunday. SO I figure I have a billion Sunday masses stocked up.And who understands them anymore they are in english...I was an alterboy from about 4 years.. weddings rock! you get tiped!
(but the high mass will kill your knees..)Capt. Rich Clark
I still do the Church thing, but agree on High Mass and knees -- but how would one as young as you know? The real problem with the big High Masses was incense inhalation. There may be a class action suit there...J
Gee's did the alterboy thing and yes liked the wedding tips. Went to Jesuit high school full of frustrated Nun's and raging priests/teachers. Brings back some good and bad memories.
Did the Cadet's and Reserves up here in Canada. Learned a lot of good stuff that they didn't teach you in school. Got the head range instructor mad for outshooting him, Sunk a 2.5 ton Radio Van. OOOps. But as we still are losing out boy's overthere, my heart still sinks for each one.
I to have a couple months of Sunday's in the bank.
So to pay homage, I use the day to work with wood, look over the lake and just be so darn happy I'm here. Using my hand tools and powered one's. Just can't beat the smell of fresh cut pine!!!!
While we're checking out our church going 401k's, lets not forget to look back and recall how many times in our lives there has been only one set of footprints in the sand.It's extraordinary to look around and see what our grand parents and great gran parents built for so we could have the right environment for value development.
Weddings???? You were lucky! I was the funeral altar boy!
T.Z.
Yeah, that was a big difference. Weddings - everybody's happy, you're included in the celebration and frequent tips. Funeral - everybody's sad, you're the awkward outsider, you don't want a tip, you just do your job and leave quietly and a bit sad. The only bright spot is seeing the relatives and friends re-united. Too bad that happens more for funerals than weddings. Can't always make a wedding, but you gotta go for the funeral. 'tis a shame weddings have been a bit devalued. They're often overblown and too much $$$, but it's a nice balance to celebrate the future and the possibilities instead of sadly remembering the past and things left undone, unsaid. At least being Irish, the jokes help. Funerals ain't going away.Ah 'nough! It's a beautiful day!; let's see what we can do with it.
Edited 3/25/2009 7:53 am ET by habilis
Tell me about the cost of weddings! My middle daughter is getting married this August and it's going to be an extravaganza (definition: $$$$). Anyhow, I'm Italian, but we gave our youngest daughter an Irish middle name, Erin, so we can legitimately celebrate St. Paddy's Day and act Irish at any other time!
T.Z.
My wife's Italian, lot of simililarities. Her tiny grandmother used to slug me in the shoulder whenever she saw me. After 13 yrs we finally decided to get married(by asst. county clerk Stan), didn't think it was a big thing, surprised how happy it made us. Grandma never hit me again. She didn't drive, but she had to be in church every Sunday up into her 80's. After she had a stroke, her priest said she didn't have to go. She never went back. Didn't seem to miss it. She'd done what she was supposed to. I think our peoples come from the same roots. Erin is a Beautiful name. I know the $$$$ hurts but what better way could you spend it(forget about tools for a minute). Enjoy it while you can.
I did funerals, but no weddings (it was the Motherhouse of an order of Sisters, remember). There was no tipping at all. HOWEVER, being the only child -- a 10-11-12 year old -- in a community of mostly pleasant young childless women had its rewards. BIG Christmas hauls -- everything from crocheted mittens and hats to footballs and radios. The rest of the year they were all very nice to me as well. Lots of happy memories.Joe
Too bad you missed the weddings. Known alot of altar boys, but they were all in parish churches. Your experiences must have been quite different. I'm sure there were nice nuns, I remember one or two. But for the most part they scared the hell out of me or at least tried to. Till 4th grade I was sure they had a torture chamber in the basement of the convent. Everybody talks about nuns hitting you with a ruler, our nuns made you hit yourself. Hard to figure how hard to hit so you could stop w/out breaking your hand. Wife recently came home from a lawyers conference and told about this union lawyer she was talking to. When he was in school a nun hit him across the face with a book in 7th grade. He decked her. My wife was horrified "YOU HIT A NUN!?!!!". Priest beat the crap outta him followed by his father. Apparently he still doesn't get it; "... she hit me with a book...". My mother wanted me to be a priest and I remember girls talking about being a nun. Times change. I still can't believe how old I'm getting. And how long ago things were. I still think I'm a teenager. My body quickly reminds me.
Funny my wife and I were talking about this very topic last night!
Our nuns cracked our fingers with a ruler--hurt like hell and worse than any punishment I ever got in school. At the Catholic high school I went to, the office was floor to ceiling glass and when the headmaster gave you cracks, all the school could watch, especially to see who cried.
In tenth grade or so, we had a very portly gentleman lay teacher. He wasn't a bad guy at all, but I was a smart ####. One day I layed a bunch of tacks on his chair. He sat on them but it didn't registered exactly what was going on for a moment or two. Class knew I did it and I was rapidly given up. Cracks and demerits. I smirked on the first couple of cracks and that just made for some extras.
Worse time was when I was dragged out of class for publicizing where a female lay teacher and her boy friend "parked" at night. One of the priests literally stormed into the class I was in, dragged me out and damn near put me through a locker. Told me if I ever did anything like that again, the two of us would meet outside and not as priest and student.
Funny how times have changed from the late sixties to the present day problems of schools. My wife is a middle school teacher in a public school and sometimes I find it hard to believe what some 6th, 7th and 8th graders do these days.
T.Z.
Hmmmmm.As mentioned, I knew hundreds of them, and was schooled by them for 8 years. I got in a whole lot of trouble over the years, but was only hit once that I can recall. That was when a nun caught me passing a note full of "dirty" words -- that I really did not understand. She whacked me good and hard on the hand with a ruler.High school, first with Jesuits and then Christian Brothers (St. John's) was different. The "Board of Education" was often in full session. In all sincerity, I deserved what I got except for about twice.TO be completely honest, I don't think corporal punishment harmed anybody and it helped many. I am not talking about some over the top stuff done by some sadistic teacher, btw, just the usual board on the rear or ruler on the hands or other quick, temporary, non-invasive and mildly painful punishment.In public schools today in some districts, teachers can use no discipline at all. I have a good friend who was called before the administration for telling an unruly middle-schooler to sit down, shut up, and do his work. No joke, no exaggeration.Absurd.Joe
Just in passing, Joe:
I was also schooled by Jesuits, although I am not a Catholic.I have no unpleasant memories of them although we were scared $%less of some of them.They were good teachers.
The other day someone asked me if I knew that Hitler had been taught by Jesuits-I wonder if that is true? I do know for a fact that Robert Mugabe was taught by them....Philip Marcou
Actually, their was very little physical punishment; but nuns were expert at intimidation.
The only really bad thing was this poor second grader. He had been raising his hand for quite a while to go to the bathroom. Nun didn't let him go, he pee'd at his desk. Then she kept him sitting in it during recess. Of course all the kids had to go take a look. But in a rare exception of kid cruelty, no one mocked him. You could feel the empathy and anger. Bad day for the nuns. Lot of detention followed in next weeks. Student bonding soared.
On the other hand, one day I forgot my lunch. Nun took me to the convent. I was scared. She made me a sandwich. Made me think maybe they are human under there and maybe they don't have a torture chamber. Still, I never risked it.
Philip,
So you were schooled by the Jesuits! I went to Catholic grammar school, high school and college. There was one Jesuit who taught at my high school, and a number of them who taught at The Catholic University of America. I found them all to be very very intellectual, and very challenging. There was no sloppy thinking by any of them that I knew. They demanded good hard thinking and no BS. MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
Philip:My memories of the Jesuits are very positive. Good guys, strict, rigorous and tough-thinking, but willing to do a lot extra for the boys, like lots of after school tutoring. Those of us around on the weekends (I was a boarding student, but we were a minority) shot pool and played lots of basketball with them. We also had cool projects like carving a phone pole into a totem pole.Very good times, even if they did lay the Board of Education upon my posterior now and then.J
my grandmother taught 3rd grade for 52 years... I'd like to have a dollar for every butt that she laid a paddle on!! I know she wore mine out....I still can't sit on my left cheek for very long..and that was 44 years ago.... back in the day, discipline was swift and certain. our society is worse off for getting away from such reasoning... at least thats' my opinion. I can relate to anyone who attended shools that were similarly managed.
Philip - my priestly friends love to say that Jesuits are almost Catholics.
Were you the dude with the shellac!?
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Unfortuantely I didn't pay homage until well after the summer of love was behind us. I did make a demonstration or two. I was a lucky one, in that my draft number was above 300. In retrospect, one of my life's regrets in not having served my country in the military.
T.Z.
Tony:I lived in DC and saw the late 60s pretty much head on. Got involved in various regrettable things, but like you, was not called up. I had a lower draft number, but Nixon did away with the draft just in time. You know, I was pleased at the time, but like you in the decades that have followed, I have often regretted the fact that I didn't serve. Funny what some maturity will do to a guy...Joe
Edited 3/24/2009 9:31 am ET by Joe Sullivan
Yeah I grew up in D.C., was only up for the draft 1 yr. - high number. Still go back and forth on the service thing. Grade school we hoped war would last till we could fight. Had two brothers in Nam and one flying over from Thailand. They came back against the war. I went to a lot of protests. Reading history has me shown that most of the wars we get into aren't the valiant deeds we're sold.
Hablis:I'm not here to argue the merits or demerits of that war or any war. It is just that upon reflection, I feel something missing do to my lack of uniformed service to my country. Not to stray too far from woodworking, but I have worked on the Hill, have been "involved," have given rather large amounts of volunteer time to civic and patriotic things (and no, I won't specify as KNOTS has enough congeniality problems right now without a political debate). Still in all, I have a twinge of regret abut the service. I can't explain it beyond that.Joe
No need to explain. I feel much the same way, have and will do many of the same things(not work on the hill). Ain't looking to argue. Patriotism runs deep. As does humanity. It's a beautiful day. Enjoy. I'm way past having all the answers. Thought I had 'em once, lost along the way.
Funny how that is. I seem to lose more answers every year.BTW, when were you in DC and whereabouts did hang out and go to school?J
Born in 56 DC general grew up in big old house (youngest of 8) in Kensington till 69, Catholic grade school on Georgia Ave., moved to Wheaton for a yr, parents bought another house in Garret Park Estates off Rockville park. Went to C.W.Woodward on Old Georgetown. Moved down to Lexington Park to work at Pax River for yr1/2. Moved to Florida(University of Florida),framing houses, electricians apprentis, steel buildings, stayed till 85. Came back worked at Architectural Woodworking in Rockville for ~ 5yrs., lived in Glover park, McCarthur Blvd, Adams Morgan for couple years. Bartended at Tucson Cantina and the Grog Bought a house in Hyattesville Stayed there 8 yrs kept that and bought another couple blocks away bigger, older - wife figured there wasn't much left for me to do on the first. Rebuilding this one. That's what I do - carpentry/remodeling. Whippee I'm the boss. when the guys want to get a rise out of me they call me boss. Lately been seeing a lot of docs and hospitals; liver, kidneys and a host of tag alongs. End of the month I'm coming out as version 5.3. Week later I go back into Holy Cross so they can go in through my jugular and put a shunt in my liver so my stomach stops bloating up. Last time they had to drain 14 1/2 liters(30 lbs.). Life's good and ever more interesting. Wife calls me the maniac of the zodiac since I was born the yr of the monkey with the fire element and am an Aries. For some reason she thinks I'm crazy. I just love to see her smile. That's it; name rank and serial #. You won't get any more outta me.
Edited 3/24/2009 2:06 pm ET by habilis
We were around at the same time. I was not born there, but lived there from '68 through '71 and again from '75 through '78. Lived in Bethesda, and then off Mass ave near Little Falls. Wound up in Burke before I came back to Texas in '78. Was in Lourdes parish, then Little Flower when I lived in Maryland. Good friend is still a contractor there, by name of John Schlick. He lives in an apartment in Glover Park now. Went to Mater Dei and Gonzaga, then at Gonzaga's request, he transferred out and went to BCC. Did you ever run into him?Joe
Nope. Couple of my brothers went to St. Johns; they'd kill me if I hung around with someone from Gonzaga;-)
Well, yes, but a bunch of us did hang out (I went to St. John's, too). Wretched memories of morning inspections in grey uniforms). John and I tell people we went to rival schools together.J
Edited 3/24/2009 2:44 pm ET by Joe Sullivan
My last name is O'Day. When did you graduate. Me 73. Last brother to go there graduated 7yrs earlier.
I didn't graduate from St. John's. Wound up in Texas. However, I would been in the class of '71Joe
You're a youngster Joe! I was class of '70 from a Catholic school in NW PA. The Nuns and Priests were so explicit in telling us about things we shouldn't that it made us all want to do them!
T.Z.
Well, yes. Of course, my sainted Aunt Harriot was a nun, and a pretty tough-minded one, and in my childhood I had been 4 years THE altar boy at the novitiate of an order, and therefore in regular contact with a couple of hundred nuns. There were some interesting cases among them to be sure, but also a whole lot of sensible, practical women.Actually, the very best stories about nuns' advice to students are the apocryphal ones about pearls, hatpins, phone books, and white prom dresses. On the other hand "six inches for the Holy Ghost," was quite real.One of my worst moments as a 5th grader was when three other guys and I (also altar boys at different churches and chapels and well known thereabouts) were skinny dipping in a lake on the property of the Mother House. We did this all the time. This time, however, we heard distant singing and caught sight of about 50 postulates (college girls considering becoming Sisters), walking in a group with guitars and singing folk songs and music by the Singing Nun if you remember her. They were heading straight for our bridge. We quickly swam over behind some downed trees about 39 yards away and stayed up to our necks in water until they left.Joe
I was an altar boy for years, then a lecture at Mass. At about age 30, once at Mass no altar boys showed to serve and the priest asked if there were any former altar boys present. Me and a friend served Mass. Pretty funny sight the two of us in cassocks that didn't even go below our knees.
My elderly mother keeps asking me what went wrong since I am not very church going these days. I have to explain to her that I banked my church going early in life and am now spending that currency.
T.Z.
Hi Joe,
Get the same feelings as you.
I did the National Guard thing and ever since I saw many friends during there last nights stateside before going over there, has just never left me. In retrospect some of the best times of my life were in boot camp.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Joe,
You are from nearby DC. Do you have any experience with a Stanley 45?
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
I have four of them and have never quite gotten around to getting them assembled and working (inherited them).J
Joe,
If you find there is someone in the VA, DC, MD area who has real experience with the Stanley 45, please let me know. I am making progress, but it sure would be a lot easier to get a lesson from an experienced user. Thanks,
MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot.
TZ, I wus cheated!! I spent most of the 60's under water, missed the fun, missed a whole bunch of music as the reception really suck$ at 300' under the North Atlantic! Made up for the fun later but it took years to catch up on the music. Paddy
####, a submarine! Not sure I could handle that, but that far down I hope that's where you were. Unless..., Hey, uh, you're not Aquaman are you? Green ? Got webbed feet?
Hey, a good argument would be a rare find.
Sam,
What you have here is a pleasant exchange of ideas and ideals. When there is an argument, you will without question know that it is an argument.
Now, after a while, someone will actually post something on the topic of Wood River / Borg hand planes. That will be after a while....
-Jerry
What you have here is a pleasant exchange of ideas and ideals.
Careful Jerry, the Boss Man might hear ye.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
"Careful Jerry, the Boss Man might hear ye."
Talking nice?
Yeah that would be a first, eh? The Crunk Man talkin nice. He'd have to change into another of his personalities........
Mebbe I'll call him Charles-meleon.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Philip, daily I review five woodorking related forums and post only when I think I can add something useful (somewhere in this thread I was criticized for only having 24 posts). All I really wanted to say by starting this thread is that the longest threads seem to have little to do with education or enquiry and more to do with ego, which I think is too bad. If someone is p---ed with Derek Cohen they ought to send him a private message. In my book by not doing so they are more interested in how people see them than they are in what Derek Cohen has to say or his motivation for saying it.
I believe you have a couple of points there, one of which is that sending of private messages would keep the "other stuff" off here and confine it to where they can all do what they like with it.Philip Marcou
25 yrs experience = 24 posts in two yrs. I'd think you have more to contribute. So out of the 5 forums which do you recommend?
Pete
Philip:Oh, quite true. In general the forum is a fine place with excellent content. Hard to say what is causing the degeneration of recent weeks.Bob -- I agree that there was SOME wheat, but if there is any more you'll have to tell me about it because I've had enough of the rest of that unpleasantness.
Anyone that is internet savvy knows that some people act much differently behind the keyboard than they would in person. If anyone or anything makes your blood pressure go up, turn it or them off. Maybe it's the nature of the medium. Good manors, tact and charm can get left behind by folks that ordinarily aren't that way. Odd, since we share a common affection for the pursuit. Normally, we would agree to disagree and leave it at that. We need to stop and think before hitting the send button and try to show a little class. Are we craftsmen or crass men? ladies, too.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
I thought the goal was another 5000 post thread! Secriously, the acrimony can get high at times here and definately in the hand tools section. Maybe its the passion, hard to tell. Sometimes its like being back on the school yard and someone yelling "ok for you four eyes" Childish yes, funny definately. I still find that a majority of folks that when you ask a serious question, will give you a serious response and get a good bit of information here. The folks that get nasty lose credibility pretty quick. But then you know what they say Opinions are like Arse H%les, everybody has got one. Take care.
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.
And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Most of the good answers are drowned out by the professional chatters.
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