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   WayneL5 | May 21, 2004 12:49am | #1

   I only had one system.  It was Oneida.  I liked it a lot.  One thing that sold me on it was it's ability to filter the very fine micron size dust, the size that's most harmful.

   I recommend the muffler.  It made it noticable quieter.

   Make sure your electrical circuit can handle what you purchase.

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   CaptDavid | May 21, 2004 01:32am | #2

   Thanks Waynel5,

   The reason that I was favoring the Penn State was its cannister filters down to .5 now where the Oneida I believe is 5 microns.

   I have 6 dedicated 220 lines in the new shop.

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   WayneL5 | May 21, 2004 02:29am | #3

   Good for you!

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   RandMCapozzi | May 21, 2004 05:44pm | #5

   CaptainDavid,

   I was in the market for a DC a few months back. I went with Oneida's 2HP commercial with the 80sqft cartridge filter. The filter is a "BIA ZH1/487 Rated C  Captures 99.9% of test material between 0.2-2.0 microns @ 11 FPM Face Velocity" (independantly lab tested).

   Oneida has the best performance out there for "hobbiest" cyclones. I think WOOD magazine did a comparison of cyclones and the Oneida 2HP Commercial came out on top for quality and performance (sorry I can't remember the exact issue).

   I have been extremely pleased with the operation of my system. Excellent power, easy to clean, and excellent fittings. Of course the key is the correct sizing of the system and the design of the duct work to your machines and shop space. Oneida provided excellent assistance here also.

   I strongly suggest you at least look at them if considering purchasing a cyclone system. Their techs are very knowledgable and very willing to help answer any questions you may have.

   Good luck,

   --Rob

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   bones | May 21, 2004 03:25am | #4

   Your post came at a very interesting time. I was online looking for replacement bags for my SECO ufo-101 and came across this link. It is kind of old but the article is worth reading.  It's from a 6/2000 American Woodworker article.

   http://www.oneida-air.com/aww/aww1.htm

   
   

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   Edited 5/20/2004 9:04 pm ET by bones

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   DougF | May 21, 2004 10:48pm | #6

   David,

   I recently installed my 2hp Oneida after a careful review of the available cyclones and my budget.  I can honestly say that after hours of sealing the ductwork and fittings, when I turned the unit on, the cfm far exceeded my expectations.  This system will adequately handle two heavy dust producers simultaneously although I rarely run the system this way.  I have 3 main lines, 6 drops running 8 ports, 3 - 5", 2 - 4" and 3 - 3".   The 3"er's are one for the blade guard on the CS and 2 for the router cabinet, one for the fence and one for the  lower router housing.

   The technical services and design assistance from Oneida was exemplary!  I must have traded 12 emails with them and changed the configuration twice.  They treated my like their largest commercial user.

   What sealed the deal for me was the opportunity inspect both the Oneida and the Penn States units.  If you have not done this, please do.  The quality of the Oneida  is clearly superior to the Penn Sates due to the heavier gauge metal of the Oneida and the overall fabrication and welding techniques.  The Oneida motor is a Leasom motor that will withstand the constant on/off cycling.

   I purchased the muffler and the unit is quieter than my old 1hp bag unit.

   The Oneida is more expense but I think the extra costs is quickly overcome by the exceptional efficiency and quality of the unit.  

   Doug

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   CaptDavid | May 22, 2004 07:53am | #7

   Doug,

   How did you get to inspect both the Penn State and Oneida systems? We have a woodworking shop here that has the Oneida but I thought that Penn was only catalogue sales.

   I hate to spend that much money after moving into a new house. I vascilate between the new Jet with cannister and the cyclones.

   David

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   DougF | May 22, 2004 10:47pm | #8

   David,

   A local woodworking store was installing the Penn State unit in their classroom area about the same time I was considering an Oneida collector that was a show demo unit used by one of the combo saw manufactures.  

   Any cyclone system is going to be more expensive than the bag or cannister systems.  Part of the equation is the ductwork.  If you really look at the effective cfm rather than the ad hype, you will probably discover that with the units you are looking at you may will have to downsize your ductwork to prevent dropout from a lack of adequate cfm.  If you later decide to upgrade your DC, you now must also replace most or all of your ductwork.  This is a very real consideration since the duct work will probably cost more than cyclone.  My total cost for ductwork and the muffler from Oneida was about $950.

   Whatever direction you decide on, any system is better than havoc that dust creates in our respiratory systems.  Let us know what you decide and how it worked for you.

   Doug

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   CaptDavid | May 23, 2004 03:52am | #9

   Doug,

   I have a 2 hp Reliant that still pulls a lot of air in the old house with a central manifold with spurs to all of my tools. I am lost without it being hooked up, but am still deciding which way to go. The new Jet with its cannister claims to reduce dust down to a micron.

   I met a neighbor today who has a Jet shop in a 20X30 garage also. He went out and bought a Harbor Freight 2 HP single stage and he has at least 60 feet of run with several elbows and claims to get more than adequate collection. His duct work was like my old stuff, sewer and drain PVC. His shop was very clean, either he doesn't do much work or vacuums a lot.

   I will make a decision someday and then get the shop up and running like I had it in the old house.

   David 

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   Manny | May 12, 2005 01:17pm | #10

   Hi Doug,

   I am in the process of figuring out how to run the ductwork for my Oneida dust collector ( this is a used one I bought) and accomodating my machines... would you have any pictures ( as many as you have) that do you could email me and any suggestions/comments...

   all your help is very much appreciated...

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   DougF | May 12, 2005 04:10pm | #11

   Manny,

   I'll do a layout and email it to you.  You might suggest alking Onieda to do it for you.  They charge a small fee unless you buy th ducting from them, which is what I did. 

   Doug

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   MarkRD | May 12, 2005 04:31pm | #12

   I found the DC systems on the Grizzly site - quite a bit less expensive than Onieda and use the Bill Pentz designed cyclone. Don't know how they test but price is attractive. http://www.grizzly.com/dustcollectors/dcequip.cfmMarkMeasure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with an ax.

   Edited 5/12/2005 9:33 am ET by Mark

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   Manny | May 12, 2005 07:14pm | #13

   Thanks Doug, if you could please email me to: [email protected]