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   roc | Aug 29, 2009 07:10am | #1

   I had a LN #3 and returned it. The quality was fine but my wrist bone thumped the edge of planks while I planed.

   I have medium to small hands so be ware the #3.

   The pics bellow were taken years after I returned the #3. I am using a #4 for demonstration.

   The Clifton is green with nice detailing and the blade is different.

   The LN is black with bronze that you don't get on the Clif. ( I believe you can get all bronze in the LN #3 like the pic of my LN #4 for more $ ) I know this sounds obvious but those are the differences.

   Use both in the store and buy the one you like. They are both quality tools

   My two cents

   PS: I like to look at the all bronze plane but it has more sole drag than the iron soled planes. Needs more frequent lubing of the sole while planing.
   roc

   Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

   Edited 8/29/2009 12:18 am by roc

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   derekcohen | Aug 29, 2009 07:43am | #2

   Hi Roc

   I note in your grip that your fore finger hangs down. When I do this on my Stanley #3, my palm will slide down the tote. When I hook my forefinger around the (top) of the blade, then my grip is higher. In neither scenarios, however, do I experience DWS (Droopy Wrist Syndrome). :)

   Regards from Perth

   Derek

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   Metod | Aug 29, 2009 03:54pm | #3

   Derek,"then my grip is higher"This does changes the (applied) force diagram, for better or for worse. I presume that, if such differences, within a given plane, were 'more than theoretical', some plane makers would design/analyze their handles/totes accordingly...force diagrams are not difficult to learn.Analyzing force diagrams would likely reveal why (as you observed some time ago) there is a noticeable difference in pushing between BU and BD planes. Suitable design would then eliminate them. The geometry within say 1/16", of the cutting edge is the same for (a given angle) for BU and BD planes, so the difference must be in the body of the planes.Best wishes,
   Metod

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   roc | Aug 29, 2009 05:22pm | #4

   Believe you me; I tried every grip possible. I loved that little plane. Nice size for the work I was doing. Finally to have that size plane years latter I got the Veritas bevel up block with the optional accessory tote and larger knob.http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=47086.2but then you have seen that a few times now from me. Old stuff.Thanks for suggestion. I am thinking you have other brand of # 3 or they changed the tote since my LN.rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   boilerbay | Aug 29, 2009 05:56pm | #5

   Great tattoo - is that one of the LN's?

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   roc | Aug 30, 2009 02:31am | #7

   >LN tattoo<Thanks. People comment on it where ever I go.: )rocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   spotcheck | Aug 30, 2009 07:57pm | #13

   Does the tattoo on your left hand point up?

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   roc | Aug 30, 2009 09:25pm | #14

   How did you know ? ? ?I am a pisces after all.The animal associated with my sign is the fish, actually two fish swimming in different directionssee first picam in interesting company thoughsee second picrocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )Edited 8/30/2009 2:25 pm by rocEdited 8/30/2009 2:26 pm by roc

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   spotcheck | Aug 30, 2009 09:29pm | #15

   too funny.

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   RalphBarker | Aug 31, 2009 07:51pm | #19

   There are few things more frightening than being attacked by a pair of watch fish. Remind me never to pisce you off. ;-)

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   roc | Sep 01, 2009 03:40am | #20

   : )Ha, ha, ha, aaahhhh, Ha, ha, ha, harocGive me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe. Abraham Lincoln ( 54° shaves )

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   9619 | Aug 31, 2009 01:50pm | #18

   Roc,I don't have a #3.For really fast and easy planing, I recommend a Bosch.http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-1594K-6-5-4-Inch-Planer/dp/B000067S14/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hiqid=1251715568&sr=1-1Nice tote on the Bosch. Blades hold up well. I have resharpened them with three microbevels and one back bevel. It took three days to do that, and I can't notice any difference, but the picture of Brent Beach on my wall, with the candles in front of it, began to smile.MelMeasure your output in smiles per board foot. 

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   Tony Z | Aug 30, 2009 01:34am | #6

   I have a Clifton #3.  It is my favorite smoother.  The blade takes and holds an edge like no other!  I also have a LN #4, but with a HA frog, so I cannot do a fair comparison.  I've also have many, many other vintage Stanleys as well as more than a few LNs & Veritas.

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   KiddervilleAcres | Aug 30, 2009 03:19am | #8

   Tony,

   Heard about the new Stanley Premium Planes?  And a Norris adjuster no less!  A new #4, BU Jack!(Based on the #62), two block planes and a shoulder plane.  

   Sounds interesting to me.  According to one source all they gotta do is slim down the tote and tighten the adjuster.

   Regards,

   Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

   Edited 8/29/2009 8:21 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres

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   Tony Z | Aug 30, 2009 01:30pm | #10

   Reviewed in the PWW I got in the mail the other day.  Looks interesting enough to consider (if I was looking for another plane!).  The grumblings I heard about it are nothing--aren't we supposed to be "tool guys" & able to understand how to adjust the Norris-type adjuster so the engaging pin enters the blade?

   T.Z.

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   Metod | Aug 30, 2009 06:08pm | #12

   Bob,I got my PW magazine yesterday. The article on the new Stanley planes mentions Locking the lateral adjustment setting. Well, Philip (of the 'Marcou quality'...) 'invented' something that looks suspiciously similar some two years ago. Just for reference.Best wishes,
   Metod

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   KiddervilleAcres | Aug 31, 2009 03:52am | #16

   Metod,

   Maybe I'll get lucky and there'll be some of them at the WWIA conference next month.

   Psssssst, I also read the article.

   Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

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   BigK | Aug 31, 2009 10:48am | #17

   I have seen the new Stanley planes. They are nothing to get excited about. The Norris adjuster was sloppy loose, as in over 1 1/2 revolutions of slop. The planes appeared as if they were cheap copies of Veritas, using several of Veritas features in their design. Also the prominent display of the SW logo seemed like a cheap marketing trick to me. Who knows, maybe they actually function better then their recent offerings? But I doubt it.

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   mufti | Sep 02, 2009 09:18pm | #21

   Just an old tip, if a plane body, iron or bronze, sticks then lubrication is the answer. Presently I use Jim Beam cos the Glenfiddich gets too expensive, and you still do not feel the pain.

   Regards, M.

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   danmart | Sep 04, 2009 12:42am | #23

   George Dickel is a better lubricant and its made in the other state that can not use the word... bourbon.

   d

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   Samson | Aug 30, 2009 03:22am | #9

   Get a pre-war Bailey and a LN Stanley replacement blade.  You'll be all set.

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   boilerbay | Aug 30, 2009 04:35pm | #11

   Tangible,

   Have both brands and don't distinguish -- use both equally. Several of my older Baileys have been fitted with thick Clifton blades with removable cap-iron (chipbreaker) end. Quick to re hone and doesn't require a screwdriver. Don't have to reset whole chipbreaker so blade edge gap stays the same. They may be O-1, don't know but it holds a hell of an edge. Don't know if they still make that style blade assembly.
   IMHO, Clifton makes a high quality plane.

   Boiler

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   PADDYDAHAT | Sep 03, 2009 12:11am | #22

   Tangible, I also have a Clifton #3 and it is a delightful plane to use.

   - it is precisely machined, a solid plane that does not chatter

   -the fit and finish is second to none, the top edges of the body are even polished

   -the knob and tote are real quality work and comfortable to use

   -it has meaningful weight/heft

   -the iron is superior to most

   The trick is to buy ones on sale mail order from folks like woodworkers supply or highland woodworking etc. as they do go on sale from time to time.

   All the best, Paddy

    

    

   edit --this one got wacked in transit????

   -the two piece chip breaker is very effective and very handy, so much so that I picked up a bunch for my Bedrocks. pfh

    

   
   

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   Edited 9/2/2009 5:20 pm ET by PADDYDAHAT

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   joinerswork | Sep 04, 2009 03:25am | #24

   HEEEEeeyy Paddy,

   Where ya been old man?

   Missed you 'round these parts.

   You in Tn yet or still a yankee?

   Ray

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   PADDYDAHAT | Sep 04, 2009 06:45pm | #25

   Bro. Ray, reluctantly still a Yankee. There are 246 houses for sale in the 24 streets on my side of town and nothing is selling. More news at 11:00. Paddy