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   WillGeorge | Sep 26, 2008 10:05am | #1

   I could tell he likes the perfect grain look, whereas I like the natural variety.

   As the world turns... A 'LONG STORY'.. Is that show still on TV?..

   I, like you, like the natural look of wood. However, not a big fan of sequence matched veneer.

   Not sure why a new post for this comment. #Your call though# I like to 'look' back on what was said.

   No room in my shop for spray equipment.. At least the booth.

   Although I have to admit when I was ALOT younger we use to spray many coats of black lacquer on our so called 'hot rods'. As I recall, we did very nice work.. UNTIL the explosion that 'almost' cost my friend his life. He lost an arm from the fire. To badly burned to save it.

   But kids are indestructible.. Yes.. he lit a cigarette... Has nothing to do with your question but it popped into my mind when you said spray ... I still remember chasing him as he ran down the alley on fire.. Ever try to stop somebody on fire.. Almost impossible but somehow I did and drove him to the hospital on a old Harley...

   Back to the subject.. color variation .. Your call.. I'd leave it as is.. But then again I do not recall if these doors were for you or somebody else.. BIG difference if for somebody else.

   If you have artistic skills (I do not) go for the blending. I have a perfect answer if I need that.. My Oldest Granddaughter... She can blend colors better than any rainbow! She mixes oil colors with pastel charcoals for me. I rub them into the wood...

   I think all I am saying is, if you have some artistic skills, anything is possible.

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   brad805 | Sep 26, 2008 06:51pm | #2

   Thanks for your time.  I take it you found discussions on this topic, I did not, but have found more reading material on the topic since then.  Next time I will search harder before adding questions.  It is my project, so I will try a couple different brush type finishes on a sample panel and skip the shading/toning.  I do not have the skill with a spray gun and fear i will end up messing up some pretty costly panels.  The lighting seems is one of the biggest factors that affects how noticable it is. 

   Thanks

   Brad

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   WillGeorge | Sep 27, 2008 06:40pm | #3

   Next time I will search harder before adding questions...

   Why? Just another question! OK by me!

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   mapleman | Sep 28, 2008 04:26am | #4

   Brad,

   What you are speaking of is more a product of veneer and how it is sliced than anything else. All veneer has what is called a "tight" side and a "loose" side. This corresponds to which side actually touched the knife (the tight side is the side of each veneer sheet which touches the knife).

   Slip-matching does not show a difference because all of the sheets are facing the same way - either the tight or loose side is facing out. When you bookmatch 2 pieces, you have 1 tight side and 1 loose side showing. The differences are due to the way the light refracts (reflects?) from the veneer. Crotches and curly figures seem to show this effect more than some other figures.

   Personally, I think you are making a big mistake trying to color one side of the sheet to match the other in a bookmatch. The color is already the same, what is different is the way the light is hitting it and reflecting off of it.

   Also, when you bookmatch and join the pieces together, it becomes very noticeable. If you were to use the veneer in panels for a frame and panel door, for instance, where you have door stiles seperating the panels, the effect would be much less noticeable.

   I don't necessarily think I would change something because a guy on FHB didn't think it was absolutely perfect enough. If it looks good to you, that is what matters. If a customer had something negative to say, then you can explain to them the reason for the slight (read slight) difference. Chasing rainbows to please a paying customer is way different than bending over backwards to please a forum member.

   Point me in the direction of your photo, I would like to take a look at it.

   Lee

   P.S. as for your questions about spray guns, it would be best to start a new thread so that you might get more people chime in about spray techniques. It would be helpful to include (in that thread) what types of finishes you would like to spray, what size your compressor is, and what your budget is. Otherwise, you will get ten million recommendations - half of which may not apply to you.

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   brad805 | Sep 29, 2008 07:26pm | #6

   It was not so much the FHB member, but it did get me thinking my oldest bro may notice it.  The more I have read and now listening to both your comments and Rings along with my inexperience with the gun, I think it will be best for me to leave it alone.  I really like the effect.

   Thanks for the comments.  A more update pic is attached below.  It is not glued yet, as I plan to finish before.  I will have five more matching ones in a few days.  Then I am onto the part I do not like as much.  Finishing.

   Brad

    

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   mapleman | Sep 29, 2008 08:20pm | #8

   Brad,

   Great looking panels. I would not change a thing. I also would not attempt to color/stain the crotch panels. Crotch wood is mostly end grain, or at least similar in that it absorbs stain like a sponge. A little stain can make a piece of crotch wood or veneer way too dark. Test it out first before you commit.

   Good luck,

   Lee

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   ring | Sep 29, 2008 12:50pm | #5

   Brad,

   Let me second Lee's evaluation of the issue. The difference you are seeing is the optical effect that is caused by flipping over one of the veneers. There is no dye or tint in the world that will counterbalance it; on the contrary - what will look like a very good match at a given angle of view will be catastrophic at a different angle. Do not go down this route, you will surely make things worse. If you need to have very uniform coloring you should be slip-matching the veneers. Period.

   David Ring

   http://www.touchwood.co.il/?id=1&lang=e

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   brad805 | Sep 29, 2008 07:30pm | #7

   the more I have read the more that makes sense.  I suspect by the time I had enough shading on I would loose the crotch veneer effect.  I have some spare panels that I will do some experimenting with some clear finishes only.

   Thanks

   Brad