Hi Folks,
Over the weekend I helped a fellow woodworker clean out his shop. Sadly, because of health reasons, he is no longer able to run his shop. <!—-><!—-><!—->
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Several months ago I expressed interest in his tablesaw, which he wanted me to have. Sooooo, I am the proud owner of a new tablesaw that should provide great service. Well it’s new to me anyway……………. Will certainly be a GIANT step up from me contractors saw.
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As you can see it”s a Unisaw of 70s vintage and has seen a fair amount of work. It runs like a top and the majority of wood cut with this saw was high grade pine. I plan on taking it apart and replacing and/or replairing whatever is necessary. It is a 3 phase 240 saw.<!—-><!—->
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Along with the saw came THE Delta tenoning jig, perched on top of the TS in the pic (Uh OK, now I’m gloating a bit), some really nice ebony, couple of drawknives, partial boxes of Gray & Maroon polishing pads, several grades of polishing rouge, nearly 2 gals of lacquer thinner and partial can of stripper, some Minwax stain, aluminum shovel. Also an unfinished toy sleigh and 12 foot long or better, clear cherry and maple blocks (great leg stock).<!—-><!—->
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OH yeah, I almost forgot, an old fashioned weather stick (also perched on the TS, just in front of the tenoning jig and a solid mahogany door.
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All for the princely sum of $300. Now I AM gloating!
And there were three bits that I believe go on a shaper. I showd them to Uncle Stewart but they won’t fit his machine. I’ll post a pic of them as soon as I get time.
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Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 10/26/2008 8:57 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
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Here's a pic of the bits I was talking about. Not sure what they fit on.
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Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Those "shaper bits" look like metal milling bits to me -- but metal work is a bit (OK, a lot) outside my realm of expertise.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Bob, the first and second bits from the left are endmills.The other bit appears to have a bearing and probably used for pattern routing.Endmills are used in milling machines at slow speeds for surfacing,slots, etc.You could use the first two bits in a drill press at the slowest speed for wood only. Do not use these bits on metal in a drill press, the spindle is not made for side thrusts and the lowest speed is too fast.
mike
mike,
Ah, so those are endmills. If memory serves me correctly I recall someone in here using them in a router for making tenons, or am experiencing somestimers......
Frosty may be on to something. :-)
The pic isn't the greatest but the bearing actually looks to me like a collet sleeve (not sure if that's the right terminology). Yer know, them thangs used on ¼" bits to make 'em ½". Oh yeah, I 'member, they're called router steroids!
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bushing is the word your looking for. Could be,hard to tell from the picture. I have never used and endmill in a router, as I posted before endmills are run at very slow speeds. Typically for some steel 90 rpm's,brass 150 rpm's. I have used endmills on wood for dados, rabbets etc on small projects that top mortising was preferable.I run them in a drill press at the slowest speed. I'll guess at 350 rpm.I would not use an endmill in a router, the excessive speed would destroy the endmills. As you notice they are highspeed steel,no carbide. Remember that a drill press is not made for side bearing pressure, ok on wood though if the cuts are fairly light.Endmills are a good accesory for a drill press to make the mortise for M&T joinery.Think of them as a straight router bit,but not for a router.
mike
Ah, maybe they were used for the mortises. Knew it had something to do with M & T joints. See, it was somestimers. :-)
Mebbe I should look into them. I have a variable speed drill press - the old fashioned kind (like me) with step pulleys.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
That'll work fine,I have a couple of drill presses. The one I use with endmills is an old craftsmen benchtype. Similar to yours ,three cone step pulley. This drillpress is older than me (64) and works better too.
mike
Bob,
Nice acquisitions! Too bad about your friend though.
What are you going to do about the 3-phase motor on the Unisaw? You don't have 3-phase in your shop, do you?
Zolton
If you see a possum running around in here, kill it. It's not a pet. - Jackie Moon
Zolton,
When it comes to electrikery I'm as ignorant as an oyster. I do know it's 240 though.
The plug is different in that it has what looks like the normal round ground pin hole and just below that are two flat slots that are in the opposite direction of the ones you see on a 110 plug.
I'm rummaging through the posts here on Knots absorbing everything I can about Unisaws. Gotta find forestgirls posts on hers.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 10/26/2008 10:27 pm ET by KiddervilleAcres
Check the plate on the motor to make sure of the motor type, you might be lucky and be two phase or someone used the wrong plug.
Edited 10/26/2008 10:40 pm ET by USAnigel
Bob,
From your description it sounds like a standard 220V plug. A friend of mine has a 70's 2 HP Unisaw that is really smooth. That sucker just purrs along like a kitten.
Your tenoning jig is a real piece of work. I've seen them listed on ebay for around $200. I'd say that you have every right to gloat!
Best.
-Jerry
It is a single phase 2HP dual voltage motor - Marathon is the maker of the motor. Draws 22 amps @ 115 and 11 @ 230 it says, 3,500 RPM.
I'd like to run it @ 110 for a while till I can get a sub-panel up in the woodshop, then switch it back to 220.
So along with the new saw I'll have to bone up on wiring too. It's time I got it done and now I have a good reason to do it right.
Thank Gawd I have a friend who's an electrician who wants to do some woodworking.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I would suggest you run a 220 line to run you saw and not bother with the 110 version. 22 amps at 110 will take a #10 wire that you don't have in the walls feeding the existing sockets.
#12 will be fine for 11 amps at 220volts, 20-20 amp breaker would be just right.
You're probably right. The run would only be about 30' and the Uni is the only tool I own that would require 220 and I already have the wire, just need a breaker.
I did some cleaning up today and I'm just blown away that there was very little rust anywhere. The dang thing was packed with sawdust when we loaded it on the picky. Musta kept all the moisture away.
Applied wax to the ways and gears on the trunions.
Do you know of any caveats that I should know about? Like using compressed air, etc. There was a lot of built up resin (to be expected) that I used mineral spirits to soften it up.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob
It appears there is a reward for having a kind heart. Congratulations.
Jerry
Frosty
"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
Hi Frosty,
It's really something how Fred and I hit it off. He's so full of energy at 73 and has more stories to tell about woodworking over his nearly 50 years at it. I've spent 4 weekends over the last 2 months helping Fred and his wife Carol packing everything up. He has a WEBsite here if ya want to have a gander at what he made for the last 37 years.
I'd bet he has well over 400 jigs to make parts for his creations, and has patents on many of them - creations not the jigs. Seeing as he can't run the woodworking equipment he and I are talking about me making the parts and he'll do the finishing. He has a Stroke Sander that I want with a passion - he gave me first dibs on that too!
When we moved the saw it was full of sawdust, I mean packed with it!
I finally got some time tonight to clean it up a bit. Funny thing is that there is very little rust on the innards. This Unisaw is going to be an adventure for me and can't wait to get started. I'll be searching thru Knots as I know there is tons of info here.
Ya know it just aint right to be having so much fun.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
"Ya know it just aint right to be having so much fun."With that attitude you will live to be 193!Frosty"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
Bob,
There are round bench dogs, rectangular bench dogs, and then there are lucky dogs. Congrats on the purchase.
Ralph,
Thanks man.
The wife wanted to know what I'm going to do with the old contractors saw, along with the usual what do you need another saw for. I've got two hands ya know!
Nah, she didn't buy that either.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
" . . . what do you need another saw for?"Just remind her it's like having two pans. Sometimes you need to go back and forth between two operations, each requiring a special setup. That will bring up the price difference between pans and saws, to which you can reply, "But, Sweetheart, these are much bigger." ;-)
Dear Bob,
First of all, sorry about the health of your friend.Second, congrats on the acquisition.Third, as to your wife's comment. A buddy of mine had a similar situation when he bought a second boat. His wife pointed out that they really didn't need a second boat and he can only use one at a time anyway. My friend, in turn, pointed out that his wife didn't need fifty pairs of shoes either...................I believe that was the last that he heard about it. Set one up with a dado.Best,John
"I believe that was the last that he heard about it. "About it, or from her? ;-)
Ya know.......... I haven't seen her a while...................John
Greetings
Good luck on your find
The description of the plug on your tablesaw sounds like 220V to me too. It sounds like a cord on a dryer before 4 wires became standard.
Wait a minute (a whole minute?) you don't mention if this plug is similar in size to yer average 110 plug or if it's bigger like a dryer or electric oven. The smaller plug with "sideways" blades is used for lower amp 220V applications.
Like someone else mentioned, check the motor's plate. Look for "PH" (phase) not to be confused with "HP" (horsepower)
peace
mark
Yes, I think it is a 220 volt, 20 ampere plug. When you get to 30 amp, they are a little different. But you can put most any three conductor plug matched with an outlet to make it work (not recommended).
Edited 10/28/2008 10:16 am ET by Tinkerer3
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