i want an 18 gauge and a 23 gauge nailer that doesnt have a safety,currently have the hitachi 2″ bradder and the senco 1 ” pinner.the senco doesnt have a safety but the bradder does.has anybody removed the safety from the hitachi (new model) succesfully? Bea makes the sk350-224c and it appears to have no safety,anybody have one?where do you buy this?does the cadex that shoots the 2″ pin have a safety? help thanks clay
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You can modify the safety on any gun. Each gun would be different but it's typically a matter of wedging something in the proper spot. Some guns you can just wedge the safety to an always on position. Some guns you can remove the safety entirely as well as the activation part in the trigger.
Clay my friend on behalf of anyone who works near you and for your own good if it is at all possible try to use guns that have some form of safety like a sliding nose type or get used to the bail wire.I have both shot 2in leg16g staple into my own hand and pried my friends hand off the work when a Paslode gun with a safety (which went wrong )got both of us.I was stupid enough to think that when it got me it was my carelessness.I tell you it hurts like hell when it wakes up and that part of my hand is still dead 10 years later. Older but not wiser Jako
Only reason to disable the safety is to shot rats on the work site!!
Safety is there for a reason????
Think liability and being on the receiving end of the nails shot?
Address your remarks to clay I am already a devotee of safety an work with the results every day.Secondly as far as killing rats you will shorten the life of the bumper significantly without the resistance of the wood.
lmao jako, but i decided on the bea without the safety, im 54 yrs young and no major accidents after 40 yrs in construction.I also own a saw stop for safety reasons.I didnt say iwas sane, just know what i need . the safety on the skill saw was the closest accident i had so i blocked it up so i could use this thing with out hurting my self.Most carpenters use a skill saw with the disabled guard. the guard causes some major issues there. As for the rats. my bradder never killed one , but i think i would use my framing nailer anyways for the sure kill!
Clay,
After 27 years working as a Paramedic I have heard your story a million and one times. Safety's yes they are a pain in the *** sometimes, but there is a good reason for them.
Back around 77, I thought you had to be an absolute idiot to shoot yourself with a nailer. Then i had one accidently go off on me. I had a 3 1/4" framing nail, enter the end off my finger right under the finger nail and go 3"s straight up my finger right up the middle of the bone. It's not something I would ever want to experience again. The reason it happened, was that someone had removed the safety from the gun.
My advice, take a First Aid class. Soon!
Taigert
okay, the safety issue has its merits for the absent minded, late night drinkers, and just all around space cadets. Any tool, with safety or not. is dangerous. Even my saw stop will probaly do major damage before grabing the blade. I dont see anysaw stop salesman at the wood working show donate there finger for a test! Most of the professional wood workers are going to encounter an accident sooner or later and hopefully theyre lucky, and no major damage.Table saws have the most serious accidents of all the wood working tools. Most carpenters,wood workers, furniure makers are not serious about there jobs. No training, instructions, or safety issues are ever offered by the tool manafactures. Im constantly seeing amendments to mass manafactured tools with there so called safetys(of course they will never publish how dangerous these tools really are. My grand father (who used mostly hand tools) said safetys on power equipment gives the average woodworker, the confidence to use the tool, but not the understanding of the tool. Read manuals, they dont really teach the user what has gone wrong and what will go wrong. Body stance, position of the hands,fingers, shirt tails, belts, long sleeves, have all contributed to major accidents but you dont see these warmings much in use manuals. Most of my family that worked in furniture factories or cabinet shops(1940's to present) got extensive training in safety use of tool and was well supervised before becoming a master machinist. No major accidents here. Im now a stone and tile installer(more money), and have issues concerning a whole differnet kind of safety versus wood working. ANY safety is a good idea if it works well for safety and accuracy. Most cant do both. Safest tools are not man runned! CNC. my great grand father did cut his wrist on a hand saw. no safety there. and almost bleed to death. your right taigert FIRST AID CLASSES ARE A MUST ANYWAYS!
Assuming your compressor has the capacity, you might want to go for the full-auto option, as well. ;-)
One drawback to a disabled safety is if someone picks the nailer up who is used to a safety. Get ready to dance.
Senco makes one, it was a freebie in a kit. its not listed on their web sight. There are no parts available, only pins. This was part of a conversation I had with them Senco in Ohio several weeks ago.I now have the Accuset 12 years old, the new (mentioned above) Senco and I just bought a Grex.One for work, home and a spare....?
Some nailers make marks on soft woods such as pine if the safety is not disabled.
My framing nailer makes marks on pine, but if my 18-gauge brad nailer or 23-gauge pinner were to make marks on pine, I'd replace it with one that was designed better.-Steve
What gun do you have? It is the safety on mine that marks pine.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that it's the safety that marks the workpiece. I assume you mean the retracting nosepiece? I have run-of-the-mill Bostitch 16- and 18-gauge brad nailers, and a top-of-the-line Grex 23-gauge pinner. All three have resilient cushions on the "no mar" tips, and don't leave any marks, even on white pine. I understand that some small-gauge guns do have hard tips and leave marks, but I've never used one.
I also don't understand how the fact that the retracting tip acts as a safety has any bearing on whether or not the gun leaves a mark. Unless you're firing the nails without the nosepiece contacting the wood at all, it shouldn't matter if there's a safety function there or not. I can imagine where a "bump" type gun could leave a mark, just from the fact that you have a tendency to actually strike the work with the tip, rather than place it in position and then pull the trigger.
-Steve
The pinner I have is a PC 18 ga. Where I have had the trouble with the retractable part of the nose is when pinning the outside of a miter on crown or base. Sometimes the retractable part of the gun lands on the thin part of a miter. This only happened with very soft woods such as pine. So I just removed it on the gun and have never had any problem since.
Edited 6/20/2009 4:47 pm by gb93433
I've got a cheapie chineese gun from 20+ years ago that never had one. Use to scare the begeezus out of me. You could not leave air on it for the ocasional unatended shot. I still have it but disconnect between shots. I recently bought the grex pinner and it has a safety but it's a trigger based not pressure based. U squeez it and its engaged and from that point on you can fire to your hearts content with no issues. Put the gun down and take your finger off and the safety is engaged again. You can rapid fire if you wish. It gives you protection without the pain factor.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Renaldus Magnus
A gun, either a powder or air gun would work better for rats. Nail guns are among the most dangerous tools around.
I have to chime in here on the safety issue as well!
I shot myself accidentally with a stapler and can attest to it not being much fun!
I just thank G-d it did no permanent damage!
keep it on learn how to use it and live a longer happier life!
Chaim
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