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http://www.dewalt.co.uk/ontrack/UK/index.html
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It was only a matter of time. I like the DeWalt set up.
I haven't seen either of those advertised in the US yet.
The DeWalt ad is great. Really innovative and informative.
Frosty
"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
The Dewalt Plunge Mortiser next? Thanks for sharing.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 2/5/2008 10:50 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Thanks for putting out the info. Festool irritated me by having there product distributed by a companie who doesn't sell to individuals here in Canada. When these products come on the market here, I will be happy to give Dewalt my humble hobbiest dollars.
Thank for the heads up.
Sébastien
Knowledge: So hard to acquire but often given away freely... Beautiful.
Haefle has the rights to Canada. US distributors are specifically forbidden from shipping outside of the US.
But the way Haefle prices things, lots of guys near a border, get a po box, make a little trip south. Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
Thanks RW,
I can walk from my parents place to the US ( Vermont) and we have a place that holds parcels for canadians, but it's the principal of excluding a segment of customers that rattles me a bit. Don't go where your not wanted... So no festool, Fast-cap and the like. There will always be an alternative on which to spend my lowly, humble hobbiest dollars.
Thank you again for offering a solution,
SébastienKnowledge: So hard to acquire but often given away freely... Beautiful.
Did everyone notice that DeWalt still missed the boat as far as dust collection? Seems to be the same old half thought out product. I dont own any festool stuff, but sure would live too given they think through each woodworking process from removing material to extracting the byproducts from the air.
I have purchased Hafele products in Canada and discussed the Festool pricing with them. There are some other costs they have to deal with as a reseller of imported goods. Good ol Canada. Sure they make a couple of bucks, why not.
Just my two bits.
Brad, there's a dust collection chute on the saw, the guy just didn't have it hooked up. I'm not familiar with the Festool -- is the chute enough, or are you referring to something more??forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
The fact it is not hooked up just goes to show how unimportant DeWalt thinks it is. I can't think of a Festool demo where they do not. The DeWalt hookup looks like the same one as my DeWalt OS. An afterthought, you know, hey this fits here, maybe we can promote this? I bet they will not have all the bits and pieces that Festool offers to actually make things functional? DeWalt's DC setup is poor in my view for a pretty basic reason. The NA market does not demand it, whereas the Europeans and their laws do, but I like european tools. Just my thoughts.
Brad
I think that without seeing the DC dust set-up clearly and not having actually used it.. it is nothing but speculative here-say to draw any conclusions. I personally could care less as I cut sheets outside with a mask.
But... does anyone know the Dewalt price point for the saw as I saw nothing regarding it on the demo tape. But I could have missed it and I would be interested. I have a feeling that if it is not a large price jump from a standard circular saw.. they are going to sell a number of them. Just a feeling.
Sarge..
I've only seen UK prices - nothing in US dollars.
Thanks Don... may not have a price point in the U.S. yet.. and then again it may not be introduced in the U.S. even though I feel it will. I have a friend who is a service rep supervisor here at the Atlanta DW Service Center. He may have heard through the grapevine, so I'll give him a call. Even they are kept in the dark on certain issues.
Sarge..
Hi SARGE,
I saw a price of $756 USD (cordless version) in email from Popuar Woodworking. I would expect the corded version to be less but not sure how much less.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 2/7/2008 7:59 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
With that price stated Bob, I think I will continue to take the few and far between sheet goods I do outside with a mask. The PC and Pro-grip do an outstanding job and the PC can be hooked to my Shop Vac. But.. I still prefer outside on sheets, especially MDF which I co-incidentally cut down yesterday for a new taper jig.
BTW... it was 68 degrees out yesterday with the sun shining brightly. Short sleeve T-shirt weather here in Atlanta yesterday. A small front moved in last night and the high today is expected to be 58 degrees. Whoa hoss... long sleeve T-shirt weather today for sure even in the shop which has natural gas. Brrrrrrrrr..... ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..
Regards...
Sarge.. JT
Sarge,
Yeah I know but bear in mind that was the price for the cordless.
Oh, you're a funny guy. Posts like that only srever to get the adrenalin flowing to figure out how to get sound working here in Knots! Then you could hear the big fat raspberry I have for you!
HA, ha, ha, ha.
So instead I'll give you something more to gloat about whilst you enjoy your warm weather. Here's what's currently going on at sunny downtown Kidderville Acres:
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:-)
Wallowing about in the snow while Sarge is getting sunburned,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
You fellows do not know cold. A week ago it was -40deg f in my neck of the woods. One might ponder why stay??? I guess I am nuts.
Brad
Bob.. Old Fred.. Brad...
You guys keep those temperatures and snow up your way! It went down to 35 degrees last night and when I went down around 8 AM this morning to turn the gas space heater on.. it was a "frigid" 62 degree's inside the shop according to the thermometer. Can you imagine if I had accidentally left a door open as both were yesterday..
Brrrrrrrrrrrr..... I don't even care to think about the results! Brrrrrrrr.....
But all is well now.. the space heater struggled at least 6 minutes but triumphed in getting the shop to 72*.
Regards from the sunny south..... ha.. ha... ha.. ha.. ha..
Sarge..
Edited 2/7/2008 2:14 pm ET by SARGEgrinder47
Phhhaaaaaaatttttttttttttttt!
That's as close as I can get right now.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Hey Sarge!
No picture (haven't figured out how yet), but another raspberry - from Maine. :)
Just spent an hour out trying to get my snowblower running and now have to go back and clear a couple more driveways. Twenty-five degrees and snowing.
And we passed up the chance to house sit in Tampa from Jan through April?
No one's ever gonna accuse me of being too bright!
oldfred
Edited 2/7/2008 12:45 pm ET by oldfred
Festool dust collection is "real" - it works superbly. Perhaps DeWalt does not emphasize the issue because, at this point, I don't think they have a vacuum. (excuse me, "Extractor")I had a DeWalt router, I purchased because it had DC. Finally had to replace it because of several quality issues. Replaced it with a Festool. On my first job, plunging a 1/2" bit, in an arc, through 8/4 stock, "99 & 44/100 %" of the dust was no where to be seen. I was impressed.I purchased the Festool saw and guide rail for a special job. Total dust collection. What a relief with MDF!!Frosty"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
Do you happen to have one of their sanders and collectors? I was really curious how the collection is. I'm currently using a Fein system and it has its issues.
I have a Rotex sander and the mid-sized Extractor. The operation is dust free. One item that is important with sanders is to reduce the suction level. Too high a suction can cause the sander to "stick" to the work when it passes over a dense section of grain. The suction level on the Festoo lis easily adjusted.I use the DC with all of my dust generating small tools: belt sanders, ROS, spindle sander and routers. I plug the tool into the auto-start plug on the Extractor. (I hate that term- but they work) Filter bag removal is great. The bogs come equipped with snap-top cover to prevent captured dust from escaping.Frosty"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
Thanks, Frosty. A couple other questions if I might.
How do you find the quality of the sandpaper?
They offer 4 sizes of collectors. Mid size is ???
Are the bags reusable, and if so, how much mileage do you get from them?
1. Sandpaper is excellent. Good life; good performance. The dust clearance helps life.2. I have the 22E which lasts me quite a while. (I know that is non-specific.) I suppose if you are planning to use it for major chip producers: jointer, planer, you should go larger.3. No, The bags are not reusable.Good luck.Frosty"I sometimes think we consider the good fortune of the early bird and overlook the bad fortune of the early worm." FDR - 1922
The sandpaper is excellent and lasts a long time partly because of the exhaust air coming out of the middle hole. This helps to clear the dust away and not lodge in the sandpaper.
A reusable bag is available for the 2 largest extractors but it is extremely expensive.
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans .
My local tool dealer sells the Makita plunge saw and rail for $599 Canadian. There's no dust collector available from Makita, but the tool does have a dust chute. I can't see what's in the product to justify that price, given that there's competition.
Jim
Aren't you constantly changing the bags? Doesn't that get expensive in itself?
It is going to depend on your usage time and how much chips or dust you make. If you only have sander dust the bags will not have to be changed often. If you have a lot of router and Domino chips you will have to change more often. The reusable bags are only available for the 2 largest extractors. The CT 22 E bag is $177 and the CT 33 E bag is $184 vs 5 for $28.50 and 5 for $32.00 for the throwaway bags.
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans .
Thanks. Their stuff interests me, just on the pricey side. Still, I'm on the fence. The biggest plus to me at this time would be a Rotex with a collector.
I have both the Festool sander and the saw (along with their vacuum) and the dust collection is as advertised....nearly 100%. The sander actually removes dust from the working surface when it'is just sitting there! The saw kicks some dust below the cut but it's a tiny amount.
Dust collection on the Domino is so good you forget that you're cutting wood!Steve
That's good to hear. I don't want to spring 750 buckeroos for a sander and its vac and regret my purchase.
"There are some other costs they have to deal with as a reseller of imported goods"I was in touch with them when thinking of the Domino and other things. Their prices were about 15% higher than the US. And I am talking landed at the border (I go to Washington State for this stuff-lots of dealers). You pay the GST whether you buy from Haefle or when crossing the border. The local hardware store (not a chain) that is a dealer is a minuscule size compared to Hafele and yet they can sell Festool for a lot cheaper. So all I can conclude is that the "other costs" are simply more money to them.Cheers,Peter
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
Did you inquire about inspection costs? I know the Euro equip I purchase must get a CSA sticker before they can re-sell the items. It may be diff for handheld tools, but I know the cost on the last Felder piece I purchased the CSA cost was $375. I have got very good service from Hafele when purchasing hardware. No question that many manuf or distributors think Canadians will pay more. Seems to be the case in most industries.
Brad
And in the US they get the UL testing. BTW, what a racket that CSA is. A few years ago there were electric heating panels that were made to be installed in walls and ceilings. There were a lot sold in BC, Vancouver Island in particular. CSA approved! Well they started catching fire. And it was determined by inquiry that it was not an installation issue. As you can imagine the manufacturer got sued. The panels were taken off the market. Then a bunch of folks said, well what about the CSA. Was it not their job to make sure this didn't happen?They washed their hands of it. It appears that they are not responsible for the money they take from folks.A friend of mine uses very exotic machinery to build parts that go into satellites. A few years ago he imported such a machine and was advised that he could not power it up until it had a CSA sticker. After a number of phone calls, a CSA man showed up, and after he was handed a sizable cheque payable to that outfit, a briefcase was opened, papers were signed and a sticker produced. No inspection, no testing. Neat huh?End of rant.Cheers,Peter
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
I didn't even need my P.O. box. Instead went to the local border town and there was a dealer. If I drive a few more miles, there were other dealers. BTW, Haefle Canada prices are out to lunch - about 15% more than the American prices and choice is very limited. Yet another example of being screwed by fellow Canadians who want closed borders to go along with their gouging prices. Electronics also come to mind for instance.End of rant.Cheers,Peter
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
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