i am going to an auction tomorrow where amongst hundred of tools and other items there is listed 1000 bdf of no. 1 cherry air dried two years. i looked at the picture on line and i t is neatly stacked indoors right now.
i know this is short notice as the auction is tomorrow, sat. nov. 21
what would someone expect to bid for the whole 1000 bdf
this lumber can be seen at auctionzip.com if you click on pennsylvania then scroll down to the auctioneers names and click on jubick, ron you can scroll down and look at the pile of cherry.
any input would be appreciated thanks……………..nicko
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The picture is not much help in makeing a determination.
I would wonder about the auctioneer's statement that this is "no. 1" cherry.
If it is in fact #1, then my bid would probably be quite low, since the stuff that we all want (Fine & Select) is a few levels above that.
But there is some likelyhood (small IMO) that the auctioneer thinks that #1 is the highest grade, since that is true (at least mostly true) for construction grade lumber.
I'd want to look through the stack before making any bid above a dollar or two.
I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone,
And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone;
I can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone,
So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. (Phil Ochs)
I would think that $1.00 to $1.50 per bf would be a good price. You can sell some of it to other woodworkers and get your money back. People will buy it from you if you advertise on Craigslist. Good luck!
Hi nicko ,
It could be # 1 common maybe , can you easily and properly store the wood,do you need it ,what is the mc ? Would you normally buy that grade ?
When I go to an auction I go with larceny in my heart , not to be a nice guy .
Here is what I learned , you want it set a limit in your head and stick to it .
Before the auction begins ask if there are any reserve bids on anything , they must reveal if someone has already offered on an item. this can save all day of waiting .
Do not bid as soon as the bidding starts , you will have a few seconds more , observe who is bidding and how hot they are . Trust me the very last bid is the only one that matters and if you show them early on your big interest it will cost you more. This is really true with most any item auctioned.
happy bidding dusty
dusty,"...larceny in my heart..." jeez-o dusty, sounds like a day spent in hellishness.
eef
i don't know how to reply to all? but any way thanks for the input, you never know what grade it might be it could be f.a.s and the auctioneer is calling it no. 1. or it could be a lot of mixed grades. i will have to look at it and see what i think i guess.
i just wanted to get a feel for what it might be worth. i kind of agree with old dusty if i look at it and decide i want to bid on it i want to get it for a song. you never know there might be no one there interested in it.
thanks............nicko
Really try and get there to look through a few layers if possible , every time I see a stack like that I think this could be the Mother lode all matched or quilted and curly birdseye what have you .You can go out and pay full price for kd graded lumber anyday of the week why do it at an auction .
Heck it might be Poplar for all the auctioneer knows .
the last bid takes it
tell us how it goes
d
Ahhh, Dusty's larcenous heart beats in synch with mine, LOL. I picked up a bunch of Pacific Yew at an auction this summer for $70 (well, +14% buyer's premium). I sold about 40% of it for 3x what I paid for the whole lot, and was still getting flack from the guys, saying I wasn't charging them enough, LOL! Can't remember how many board feet, but it was a few layers deep in the truck.
View Imageforestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
You Larcenist !
and prolly proud of it !
"...and prolly proud of it !" You bet!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
like i said before i don,t know how to reply to all, but here is a picture of the cherry .the auction said it was 1000 bd.ft. but when i got there i figured it to only be about 400 bd.ft.
i looked thru it the best i could and alot of it looked pretty clear it was all about 8 and 9 foot lengths, not very wide i think the widest boards were about 8" and not alot of them most were about 4and 6" but any way i got the whole pile for $450.00.
i have access to a kiln pretty close to my house that i could get the whole pile kiln dried for about $75.00. that emglo compresser in the back ground went for $1600
i am sure i will use it up thanks for the input......nicko
SWEEEEEEEET !
Remember that the prides quoted in the Hardwood Lumber Report are not the prices for small lots but for tractor trailer load quantities. Sure, you can buy #1C wholesale for $1335/MBF if you want thousands of board feet and you can unload a truck. In small quantities, you will be hard pressed to buy it for less than twice that amount unless you find a sawmill where you can drive up and buy it direct, or buy from someone like me with a portable sawmill. Craigslist can be a very good place to buy hardwood for very reasonable prices as many postings are from people who want to get rid of wood.I think that you made a fine deal.
DHAM
Those prices are what a sawmill gets for the wood.. The deal is you take the pile and don't get to sort through.. while some piles are in 1000 bd.ft. lots many piles were less, much less. 300 to 1000 but all was graded.. if you took mill run (which I prefer) and the pictures seem to indicate prices are around $1.33 a bd.ft.
You are absolutely on the money. However, many people do not have the luxury of buying direct from a sawmill.
thanks for the reply
i have a question about M.C. this cherry was air dried for two years on a upper level of a pole building it never got any rain and i imagine it got quite hot up there in the summer time
i brought it home today and checked the M.C. of a few boards they read anywhere from 9.2 to 9.6 i did not have a chance to take many readings.
do you think i should get the M.C. down lower by kiln drying or could i use it at that M.C. I checked the M.C. of some other cherry in my shop that i know was k.d. more than a year ago and the M.C. was about the same as the cherry i just bought that was air dried.
thanks................nicko
If it was below 10%, I would use it as is. It might still shrink a little bit if the equilibrium moisture content in use is lower, but you can design in that amount of wood movement as you build projects. It really depends on what part of the Country you are located in. Here in Georgia with the humidity, especially summer, 10% is a pretty good moisture content. In the spring and fall, we will open the windows and enjoy the pretty weather. That results in a higher humidity inside the house versus, so that has to be taken into account. Swelling is worse in my opinion than some shrinkage.
DHAM
i am in pa. i called a local company that has massive kilns, it is a local company that cuts there own timber, builds cabinets, furniture and also makes there own wood pellets for pellet stoves that they distribute around the country.
i have bought some kitchens off of them in the past. so he told me if i unlode the cherry myself and sticker it on one of there skids he would kiln dry it for me for free.
cant beat the price so i am just going to have it kilned dried
thanks.....nicko
Yeah finding a good source of wood is not easy. I use a lot of cherry (well for an amature) as that is my prefered wood. Also it is the wood I use for the kitchen and the library. But finding a good (read cheep) source is not easy. Right now I tend to go to a place that is about 2 to 3 hours north of me and pick up a truck full. I do this becuase he is cheep enough to justify the cost of the gas and I get to look over and choose the boards.
Anyone around me (outside of Detroit Mi) seams to want a LOT more for cherry. And this being michigan and me being out of work for the last 9 months means that money is VERY limited.
Doug M (Still in need of several hundred BF of cherry)
Whoa! That's a nice score there! I just ordered about 40bf of cherry (12/4 and 6/4) It was about $6.00 a board foot!
forestgirl,yew scored.eef
"yew scored." Har, har, har.
Ralph's pun got the Blue Ribbon in the original Yew thread..."shouldn't this wood be limited to projects for the young (the yewth)? ;-)"
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
fg,
thank yew.
eef
Will you update us on the winning bid?
Bill
My copy of Hardwood Market Report ( a few weeks old) indicate #1F 4/4 as being worth $2340 per 1000bd.ft. If it's #1C then it's $1335.00 per thousand bd.ft. Prices have been steadily dropping so that might be overly generous.
Look at it carefully. If there is very much early wood (non-pink) Then $1335 is way too generous.. Measure the wood too! it should be at least an inch thick, anything less the commercial mills will reject it. nice flat and straight, something that doesn't always happen when air drying. Double check the math, 1000 bd. ft, should be 8 feet + long, 4 feet wide, and just about 2 feet high. If all the boards don't come out to 8 feet+ long and you have shorts the grade of the wood will be down graded if their are too many..
On the other hand if it turns out to be FAS it could go for $2350 per 1000 bd.ft. and I've seen some fiddleback cherry or even burl go for as much as 10 times that number..
This is an odd lot and not worth market prices.
I realize that's a whole lot of information to assimilate but you need to know all of that before wading in.. Please realize that air drying might not have the wood dried down to 7% moisture even after 2 years.. plus if stickered wrong the wood could be near worthless.. if not stickered during drying the wood too could be worthless unless you like working spalted wood (it makes you feel like you have the flu even with a mask on)
Wow Frenchy, is that FAS pricing good in your area? I know here in PA, they value their cherry. Maybe in the spring, I'll have to take my truck up your way if that can be had. ...Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off , painting over the ugly parts, and recycling it for more than it’s worth – lyrics from the song wear sunscreen
Bones,
There is a source for wood pricing that's sort of the bible It's called the Hardwood Market Report. http://www.hmr.com that gives nation wide pricing.. I used Applacains numbers since that's where the OP is from. Here in the midwest the prices are a little higher. $2.47 A bd.ft. compared to $2.35 a bd.ft. for Appalacian. (FAS)
Like I said those numbers are falling and my copy is a little out of date so todays prices might be lower..
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