Hi,
I live in the UK and have not seen them here, but I noticed a trade advert in the magazine for what looked like a benchtop moulding machine that will enable me to create custom door architrave and skirting board.
If anyone is able to give me more information as to who the manufacturer is or provide a web link I would be most grateful.
Thanks
Justin
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You probably were looking at Williams and Hussey .However with the EU's rabid safety policy they may not be allowed .There are, I believe, now strict regulations regarding moulding heads and knife retention.Certainly a point if you decide to import
That looks like it.
Thanks !!!
Better import one before they are banned
"Better import one before they are banned"
Too late! They're already illegal. Why not post your query on a British WW forum such as UK Workshop (http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/ ) and see what the Brits make of it?
Scrit
"However with the EU's rabid safety policy they may not be allowed. There are, I believe, now strict regulations regarding moulding heads and knife etention. Certainly a point if you decide to import."
The requirement for safety (retention/chip limitation) tooling came in in year 2000, the requirements for braking on moulders was about 2003, whilst the W & H would have been illegal in the UK at least as early as 1974 on the grounds of guarding (or the total lack thereof)....... That said, it is not beyond the wit of man to make one legal - and despite your ill-informed comments it is possible to do that sort of work on machinery available here. For example, we haven't yet banned the use of the ring fence on spindle moulders (shapers) which can achieve at least part of what you can get on a W & H moulder, and there's at least one machine I know of, the MoreTens MF30 Multi-Moulder (or Logosol in the USA: see http://www.homewoodltd.co.uk/index.php?page_name=MOReTENS for details) which can be set up like a W & H moulder, but which has the additional advantages of being able top work as a conventional spindle moulder, a tilting spindle moulder or an overhead pin router into the bargain. Oh yes, and if our regs are rabid, why is it that lots of saw bench manufacturers are falling over themselves to add "European" features such as riving knives - they'll be adding short rip fences and brakes next (well maybe not, after all that might be too modern and safety conscious)
Scrit (the Brit)
I wouldn't use the word "rabid" to describe EU safety policy when it comes to wwing tools, but from this side of the pond, it does seem as though they are bending over backwards to protect users from themselves. But I would say they are many in this country who are "rabid" about fighting safety regs imposed by the government. Witness the outcry when the SawStop people attempted to get their safety technology ruled mandatory for all TS's sold in the UC.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Anybody have any experience with the Woodmaster moulder/planer?
I bought a 25" woodmaster molder/planner last year and can not say enough good things about the machine and their customer service. Before I spent the money I went out to Kansas City for a demo and toured the factory, they could not have been more hospitable. They treated me as if I was their only customer while I was there and the same when I've been on the phone ordering blades since. Woodmaster is still a family owned business and that's exactly how I've been treated.
I have seen the Woodmaster in action,wish I bought it instead of the Jet planer-molder .Much better machine, more money of course but you get what you pay for.The Jet works fine but is underpowered for planing. The molding cutters are limited to 2" wide.I have only used the molding cutters on one run.I needed 210'-0 or so of cherry bed molding.Did a good job with little or no sanding.
mike
I assume you know Woodmaster keeps a data base of buyers by geographic area. Some of them have agreed to talk about their experiences with any prospective buyers.Call or email Woodmaster, and they will give you a list of people in your area. Most of these folks will be glad to invite you over, so you can see the machine in action.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Nikkiwood: No, I didn't know that. I've just sent for the DVD regarding their products. Vic
If you're kicking tires on molders, you might also want to look at RBI.From what I understand, Woodmaster was started by guys who cut their teeth at RBI.http://www.rbiwoodtools.com/woodplaner.html********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
I believe Woodmaster's parent company is Timber King, and they also keep a data base on bandsaw mill owners in geographical areas. Although the Timber King list is outdated, at least for my area, one contact did prove to be golden in terms of getting lumber at great prices and a guy with a boat load of knowledge to boot.
I did check out the RBI site and I can tell you the corrugated blades that they have are the nuts. Woodmaster does not have that as an option for their blades and it does take lots of time getting getting all three them to match, however for another $1500.00 for the 25" you can get an indexable insert spiral head and never have to worry about such tasks. That said, I would not trade in my Woodmaster for anything near it's price range.
Ah geez, gimme a break.
I respect the SawStop guys and wish I had bought one of their saws but it came out after I bought a Unisaw, but I don't want the government dictating phsyco safety rules.
Woodworking is dangerous, as are many other things people may want to do (welding, auto repair, homebulding, hunting, and so on). With woodworking, you are dealing with pointed objects, wirring blades and so forth. There is always risk. But the practicioner should be the arbiter of how much protection he wants and/or can afford, not the government.
For example, I may be buying a W&H moulder in the near future joining many tens of thousands of owners who safely use the machine every day. If I lived in Europe, some bureaucrat would have decided I won't.
I'm trying to see the upside in that.
"and despite your ill informed comments"
That was put very modestly. The word "rabid" could be taken as a personal affront. I hope you were not offended.
You might consider:
Jet 708526 JPM-13 13-Inch 1-1/2 Horsepower Open Stand Planer/Molder, 110/230-Volt 1 Phase
Can't seem to find these in the UK.
Europe Website
http://www.wmhtoolgroup.ch?
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