Well, I give up on this search “thing” on this site. Seems to never work when I need it.
I’ve had collectors in the past and worked in shops that had cyclones and huge collectors. My last collector was a Powermatic3hp(I think) with 2 filter bags and 2 waste bags. Didn’t like the deafening roar and the bags weren’t efficient. Sold that one before I moved. I lived on 2 1/2 acres, so the neighbors could hear. Now I live in a small city with neighbors right next door(67′ wide lots) I just bought a wide belt sander and they recommend 600cfm or more.
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O.K, here’s my question(s)
I want a “quite” model and have seen the “mufflers”…do they work and are they worth the money.
I have looked at the Jet 1100 canister model. Anyone have 1st hand knowledge of it and can a muffler be put on it?? Seems that these can be had for $400+shipping. Can anyone give more input. I plan on buying in the next few days, I hope…
Thanks in advance, Brian
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I have a 1,200 cfm Jet dust collector. It's quite a nice system. When I need chips and dust removed from my machinery it does quite a nice job. Problem is, it's just like all dust collection systems, without its muffler it's not very quiet.
Check out the Oneida muffler. Ken
Edited 3/22/2004 9:30 pm ET by Ken's Shop
Edited 3/22/2004 9:32 pm ET by Ken's Shop
I can't say anything about the muffler capability, but the canister filters are, IMO, absolutely the way to go. More filtering capacity, easy to clean, waaaaayyyyyy eaiser to dump.
Could you not build a sound-insulated enclosure for it? Betcha could.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
I've got a 3 HP Grizzly unit that's inside of a little dog house outside the shop. The house is limed with "egg carton" foam and the muffler is made out of a 20 Gal. blue plastic barrell. You can stand next to the unit or the end of the exhaust pipe and carry on a conversation in a normal tone of voice with no problem. I'm sure this low tech muffler could be used indoors as well. Good luck!
Enjoy!
Mack
"WISH IN ONE HAND, IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH FILLS UP FIRST"
Mack, for us dummies, could you please explain how the muffler is integrated into the system? Where does it connect?forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Forest Girl,
The 4" pipe goes through the shop wall to the "unit" (in the dog house). There is a fitting on the exhaust side of the unit and the muffler hooks right to it via a short piece of 4" pipe and a rubber flex connector. The barrell which makes the muffler has a 4" hole in each end but they are offset from each other. The holes in the muffler have 4" fittings pushed in and "ukempuckeyed" with some sort of Pro-Grade sealant made for gutters etc. and sold at HD. On the outlet side of the muffler is a 10' piece of 4" pipe and that's it.
Friend of mine in Marblemount showed me the muffler set up on his system. I could not believe how effective it is. With the unit in the dog house and the muffler installed IT IS VERY QUIET! As I said, you can stand right next to the unit or the end of the exhaust pipe and carry on a normal conversation. I remember what that thing sounded like inside my shop before I did the whole set up. It was obnoxiously loud!
Very effective and very cheap.
I've got to dedicate the time to learn how to do pictures on the PC. A picure would really be more effective than a description. Ah--there's that "WISH" thing again! LOL
Regards,"WISH IN ONE HAND, S--T IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH FILLS UP FIRST"
Mack, how did you deal with the negative pressure in your shop, as was mentioned by a previous post? wb
WB,
I haven't noticed any negative pressure. My shop is a metal building and not exactly air tight. I heat with a wood stove with a box fan placed in the rafters above it. I don't even notice any loss of heat although I'm sure it happens.
Regards,
Mack"WISH IN ONE HAND, S--T IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH FILLS UP FIRST"
I have the Jet 1100 with canister in an approximately 250 sq.ft. shop that is located in a residential neighborhood. The shop is an extension of a two car garage that is closed in with insulated dry wall construction. The three exterior walls are Hardy board. I run the DC with any number of other equipment including a Performax 16-32 sander and find that it performs reasonably well especially when used in conjunction with an air filtration system. The DC is connected to the equipment with grounded 4" PVC and flex hose. It could be better, but is adiquite. So far as noise, I don't do much work in the shop after 7-8 pm and have not had any comments from anyone in the neighborhood since I started about three years ago. That's not to say it is quiet in the shop, as I can't hear the phone ring, nor the radio playing when I have three items running (DC, Filteration unit, and anything else such as a TS, Band saw, Jointer, etc.). When used in conjunction with a sander of any type you will find that the canister fills up and efficency goes down due to the fine particles, as opposed to picking up dust from the TS. I would recommend that if you choose to electricly bond your machines you do so using the soft braided wire on the outside of the plumbing, since it seems that every time I use the plainer I have to take the hoses and blast gates apart due to the wire being on the inside. Hope you find this helpful.
Thanks, Mack, 'preciate it! I don't really have to worry about the neighbors, but I wannnnnnaaa be able to hear The Blues while I'm working!
Handling pics on PC, no big deal. You have the camera yet? LMK. I'll help you out.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Yeah no big deal to you folks with a solid foothold in the 21st century. I'm still trying to get used to the concept of a FAX machine--words in space and all that. LOL
Actually I have a nice old SLR (Pentax ME) and my first step will be getting some negatives put on CD. Wall Mart does this for some ridiculously cheap figure like .29 each. From there, our estimator (and resident computer guru) says he can show me how to size and post. We'll see shortly if he's walkin' the walk or just--you know. Let me know if I'm headed in a totally wrong direction.
Per the DC thing; with the unit outside in the doghouse and turned on with no machines running (TS, BS, Planer etc.) the box fan over the wood stove is far noisier that the DC. The thing that really screams is my old Griz. planer! That thing makes some sort of resonance with the DC or something and it's plugs and muffs time! I haven't had to use double hearing protection since my flight deck days.
I'll look to you for a lifeline if I get all crazy with the picture posting thing! Thanks very much!
Regards,
Mack"WISH IN ONE HAND, S--T IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH FILLS UP FIRST"
Mack, let me have a talk with him first. These computer gurus tend to think in "megabytes" instead of "kilobytes" leading to excrutiating download times.
Maybe you're more disciplined and patient than I am, but taking pics with and SLR, getting them developed, and then taking them to WalMart, then bringing them home and doing the editing???? Naw, I'd never get it done. When I want a pic to post, I want it now.
I can tell by the fact that you have bold type which is underlined that you are a gifted techno-genius just waiting to blossom! OK, so I overstated the case, but believe me, you can do it. If money is an object, then you can get a low-resolution digital camera with some decent software for in the $100 range (maybe even less if you get a used one). You can take a pic, download it to the computer, edit (if needed) and upload (post here at Knots) in 15 minutes.
My new Hewlett-Packard camera has very user-friendly software with it -- does automatically a number of things that I had to do manually with my old (1996) camera.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
off the dc subject, do I remember you posting that you purchased a lee valley
steel router table, maybe last year. If so, how do you like it?
Yep, I bought the tabletop used from someone at Knots, actually. He had used it in a big MDF top, like a router plate.
I really like it. It's super-flat, super-simple to make a base for, the universal clamping system is exactly what I wanted (I'm lazy, don't want to be making various plate-inserts and such), and I can use magnetic accessories with it. It's mounted on a hinged base to the left wing of my table saw, and it's strength and the rigidity of the clamping system allow me to swing it down when I need to cut something long, without changing the set-up on the router. It also serves as a great support on the left side if I lower the router bit (the table is set flush with the left wing of the saw).
I have a home-made fence on it right now, but have been wanting the Veritas fence and sled. The economy the last year or so has prevented me from accumulating any more tools, though.
I did take the handles off of my PC690 so that there was more room underneath to change bits -- that router doesn't have a collet lock, so it gets a little crowded with two wrenches and my hands.
If you need more detail, let me know and I'll find the web page I made for it.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)Another proud member of the "I Rocked With ToolDoc Club" .... :>)
Two sites on home built cyclones
http://www.terryhatfield.com/
http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/Muffler.cfm
F.G.
"Gifted techno-genius", that's funny!! We do have a digital camera that YBB (young, beautiful bride) got for our painting business a couple years back. It will do video and take snap shots. We have two computers here in Seattle (Business) but the "picture" software only works with the older one. I'm going to mess around with what I've got available over the next week or so and see what I come up with. Only reason I want current shots on cd is they were set up in my little shop "studio" with some degree of effort and I don't want to redo.
I remember (I think) that pics for the forum need to be 75 kb or so, is that correct? I would like them to fit, full size in the "box" so you don't have to scroll around to see the picture.
All joking aside, I don't really think it's all that difficult. I just have a very low tolerance for frustration when it comes to computers and related gear (junk). The mfg's show you on commercials; yeah just click, click and your life is made simple!! I've remarked many a time that I'd like to take all our computers, put 'em in a pile and run them over with a bulldozer!! I can spend all day on a design detail or getting some joints the way I want with no anxiety, but two minutes worth of error msg's on a pc will have me ready for medication!!
I'll play around a bit and if I have to reach for the pills I'll give you a holler!! LOL
Thanks again,
Mack"WISH IN ONE HAND, #### IN THE OTHER AND SEE WHICH FILLS UP FIRST"
Dang. Another seattlite!
I didn't know there were so many of us here.
A muffler won't make a noisy machine like a dust collector quiet, but it reduces the noise noticeably. When I installed my Oneida, I left the muffler till last. I turned the unit on, then held the muffler in place. It was noticeably quieter with the muffler on. I felt it was worth the $40.
Brian
have you considered putting the cyclone inside a "sound proof" box ?
I bought the 2hp Dustboy. Very quiet.
From what I hear, the mufflers "back up" the airflow a bit, and thus reduce the efficiency of the unit. How much is lost, I don't know.
If you got the Performax sander, I did use mine for a while with a shop vac. Boy could it plug the filter fast, but it did work until I got my dust collector. But don't try to use that sander (or presumably others like it) without some form of dust collection - it makes a mess, plugs the paper, etc.
I like the soundproofing suggestion in this thread, but keep in mind that if you take 1000+ cfm of air out of your shop, 1000+ cfm of air will come back in. IMO the best place to get that make-up air is from the dust collector, after filtration. But if the dust collector vents to the outside, or is located outside and doesn't vent back in, the replacement air will come in under the door (what is the weather like?), down the chimney (hope your furnace or water heater wasn't trying to send carbon monoxide up the chimney at the time), from the rest room or kitchen vents, or from some other place.
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i have the 1,400 cfm King Industrial dust collector, and i leave it on all day. you can easily talk over the sound of it. The suction at the machine is far louder than the actual moter.
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