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Re: Who said that? Test your knowledge of FWW history

1) Krenov, Who else?

2) Nakashima?

3) Maloof?

4) Hmmm. . . Frid (a guess)

Re: UPDATE: Book Giveaway: Working with Routers from Fine Woodworking

I'm never one to pass up the chance at a freebie. Please throw my hat in the ring.

Re: UPDATE: Book Giveaway: 1st five "issues" of The Missing Shop Manual series

Pick me, Pick me.

Re: Defense Outgunned in Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

Must have been a real sleeper, or at least good bedtime reading. Thanks Patrick.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

Madmabar,

And why do you assume the accident mentioned in the article involved a saw without a guard?
You and almost everyone here has missed my point and that made by 2dtenor an attorney who posted early on in this thread. Read it. The point is not so much as who is to blame but rather and this is true in most product liability who should shoulder responsibility and to what degree. to simply criticize the jury verdict without having been at the trial is like being able to taste a bowl of ice cream having someone describe the flavors.
If Ryobi knew there saw could potentially cause someone to cut there fingers off and they did nothing to mitigate that or lessen the impact of such a situation having full knowledge that there was something out there that would actually prevent such an incident then they were negligent in omitting such a device.
Bear in mind please that not everyone in a jury will know the dangers inherent in woodworking equipment. And so when a jury hears that such and such happened and there was such and such technology that could have prevented this accident who do you think the jury will side with? Perhaps if everyone were to be educated in woodworking and become knowledgeable in the craft there would be a different insight in such lawsuits.
While you and I may think that any idiot should know to keep their fingers out of the blade and that every user should know how to use the equipment before they even open the box. This isn't always the case. I teach woodworking and I can tell you from experience that most people that take my class have no clue as to the magnitude of damage that can be done and that only comes with experience. If the saw makers wanted to shield themselves from idiots using their equipment they wouldn't be selling it at places like Home Depot, Lowes, Amazon or any number of place where they know less than proficient people will be shopping. But by putting it out there and marketing it using certain price points they are making hazardous tools widely accessible yet at the same time they are not instituting initiatives to enhance overall safety to the crowd they are marketing to.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

TampaDan, by your logic would it be by your own stupidity if you were driving a vehicle not equipped with airbags and other safety devices and you momentarily lost control of the vehicle in a storm or if a kid ran out in front of the car and you swerved to miss him and you maimed yourself by hitting a tree in the process?
There was a time (and there still is) when auto manufacturers protested the mandate to put in technologies to make driving safer. When the idea of seat belts first appeared manufacturers cringed at the thought of making them mandatory and told the public it would make cars unaffordable, they did it again when airbags, anti-lock brakes and double-walled fuel tanks were proposed. True, people are responsible for themselves but at the same time if there is a way to prevent an injury or have some type of safeguard installed than it only makes sense that the manufacturer make an effort to institute those measures to insure the safety of their products.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

woodworker1120,

The government mandates many things related to health and safety. In agriculture they determine what crops can and cannot be treated with. The FDA tells us that melamine can't be put in baby formula. The EPA tells us how much discharge coal fired plants can emit and they set minimum air and water quality standards.
If we left it as a choice or let everyone decide on their own what a minimum safe standard is I'm sure we'd be living in a toxic unsafe cesspool with no government intervention.
True, a bottom end auto is probably not as safe as a Hummer in a vehicle crash with identical conditions. But what the regulations do is set a minimum bar that all manufacturers have to meet. Such as seat belts, airbags, brake specifications, gasoline tank design, etc. The requirement of seat belts by itself has saved tens of thousands of lives since it's institution. Can anyone imagine if consumers were given the option of choosing seat belts in their vehicle in order to save a few dollars?
I think the same holds true with new technology on saws. If is scientifically documented that it can improve safety then the minimum safety requirements should be raised to accommodate that technology.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

I have no idea what transpired in the court room but the argument the attorneys must have made were obviously convincing to a jury. It would be interesting to know whether any of the jury understood the nature of woodworking and the tools associated with the craft.
But surely the issue of product liability must have entered into the courtroom arguments. And from what I know of those jury awards that concern these liability issues a manufacturer must show they took every precaution available to make their product safe under reasonable conditions. The fact that Sawstop technology is available and it was not available on that saw automatically means the manufacturer did not do everything in their power to market a safer saw.
One product that immediately comes to mind are the Halogen torchiere lamps that were heavily marketed in the 1990's and early 2000's. The exposed halogen bulb gets extremely hot and often there would be no cover over the bulb to prevent combustable material from contacting the heat source. After several fires and lawsuits the manufacturers began installing mesh screens or glass over the bulbs. Whether that became a mandate I do not know. What I do know is that if a manufacturer were to overlook that detail now-a-days having the past knowledge of their history they would surely be held liable.
There are plenty of products that get recalled because of these omissions as we have seen. Most notably children's toys. Sometimes someone has already gotten hurt sometimes it's some flaw that wasn't caught during product development and the manufacturer issues the recall in order to avoid any future product liability.

Re: Hank Gilpin: Exploring the American Forest

Great body of work. I really appreciate his ability to read into ever board and pull out its essence in his designs.

Re: Curved cabinet

Hmmm, CR student or grad?

Re: Mid Century Modern Furniture Set in Walnut

Nice proportions and use of material.

Re: Corner Jewelry Cabinet

sweet.

Re: 1482 optical table

Help ! ! ! This isn't good for my vertigo.

Re: Tool Time in Vegas: AWFS 2009 Roundup

I'll be sure to look for you folks. And you forgot to mention that Anissa Kapsales will be participating as a judge in the Fresh Wood student competition.

Re: Showcase Cabinet

Hi. I met you last fall at the CR 25 year reunion. Nice cabinet.

-Ted


Re: Zin Zen Wine Bar

Nice composition and proportions.



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