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The more one looks into the particulars, it is apparent that the TS manufacturers colluded to stall and or prevent SS-tech implementation. Many of the arguments presented in the Osario case were illogical and easily “torn apart”. The biggest mistake the TS manufacturers made was and is their unified front in not even providing the SS-tech as an option on their TS products. If they had just provided customers with the choice of this value added accessory early on, their legal liability would have been next to nothing, and we may not be where we are today...intrusive government threatening action. That is to say, the market would have ironed things out. Also, factor in that some manufacturers are willing to explore a work around Glass’s well covered patents speaks volumes to what their true motives are. What most fail to understand, and it must be added into the mix, is the ten year plus period that the TS manufacturers had to work out any and all issues with Mr. Glass; that fact that they squandered the time implies willful negligence, and or dare we say racketeering. This is the bottom line. TS manufacturers should be glad some over eager attorney general nutcase has not gone after them under the “RICO laws.”

The more one looks into the particulars, it is apparent that the TS manufacturers colluded to stall and or prevent SS-tech implementation. Many of the arguments presented in the Osario case were illogical and easily “torn apart”. The biggest mistake the TS manufacturers made was and is their unified front in not even providing the SS-tech as an option on their TS products. If they had just provided customers with the choice of this value added accessory early on, their legal liability would have been next to nothing, and we may not be where we are today...intrusive government threatening action. That is to say, the market would have ironed things out. Also, factor in that some manufacturers are willing to explore a work around Glass’s well covered patents speaks volumes to what their true motives are. What most fail to understand, and it must be added into the mix, is the ten year plus period that the TS manufacturers had to work out any and all issues with Mr. Glass; that fact that they squandered the time implies willful negligence, and or dare we say racketeering. This is the bottom line. TS manufacturers should be glad some over eager attorney general nutcase has not gone after them under the “RICO laws.”

MacWoodworks, you’re the perfect poster child for crying little girls with too much unfounded pride, unfounded ego, silly child logic, and hyper-testosterone levels that incisively whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with you since I know that one cannot argue logic with an illogical mindset and its belief system. Ten years ago, I did think like you but I grew up. The tech has existed for ten years to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, general foolhardiness, etc...It is a no-brainer. So Mac, walk away from childhood notions, embrace adulthood, you’re not a child anymore. And, in case you missed it, it’s the insurance industry that will shove this down all our throats by lobbing our government to legislate new safety requirements. Unless you can monetarily compete with the insurance industry …suckle….cut…brandy about…yell freedom!
Oh, yes, remember that the end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue in today's world. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. The fact is that ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers since they did not give the consumer the option to include the tech in their purchases: A fact that may have insulated them from legal liability and stemmed the current legalities that will be forced upon us.

Workman's comp filed the lawsuit, not Mr Osario's lawyer.

Unfortunately, what most do not know is that the insurance industry is the black-hand lobbying legislation for these new laws. Since the manufacturers have failed to act by ignoring SS tech for ten years now, the insurance industry has made its mind to force manufactures to incorporate SS tech into their T-saw products. The insurance industry has infinitely more influence than manufactures of a niche market. And that my friends is that…so you crying little girls who are so unhappy that you will be forced to use a tool that eliminates the chance of you harming yourself, please go home and suckle your T-saw and cut your fingers off now so you can brandy about how free you are to do so, while the rest of humanity can go about its business.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, silly logic, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue in today's world. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers.

Unfortunately, what most do not know is that the insurance industry is the black-hand lobbying legislation for these new laws. Since the manufacturers have failed to act by ignoring SS tech for ten years now, the insurance industry has made its mind to force manufactures to incorporate SS tech into their T-saw products. The insurance industry has infinitely more influence than manufactures of a niche market. And that my friends is that…so you crying little girls who are so unhappy that you will be forced to use a tool that eliminates the chance of you harming yourself, please go home and suckle your T-saw and cut your fingers off now so you can brandy about how free you are to do so, while the rest of humanity can go about its business.

Lets repeat the facts yet again for the crying little girls that continue to miss the mark of why we are where we are relative to this issue:

1.Incompetent man cut off his fingers.

2.Incompetent man had no training in the use of table saws.

3.Workmen’s comp. Insurance filed the law-suite in Incompetent man's name against Ryobi.

4.Workmen’s Comp. Insurance wins the case and recovers theirs costs and Incompetent man also gets $$$ through no action of his own.

5.Far too many foolish woodworkers/tradesmen blame the Incompetent man for filing the lawsuit and totally ignore the fact that he did not, it was an Insurance company that filed the suite.

6.The insurance industry is infinetly more powerful than a nich market that runs a potenial half a billion dollar tab in medical bills.

7.Government will issue a ruling in favor of the only tech available, the sawstop tech.

8.Again, more foolish woodworkers/tradesmen with adolescent senses of logic and immaturity argue nonsensicals against the only tech available to prevent harm.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, silly logic, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue in today's world. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers.

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Lets review the facts of why we are where we are reletive to this issue:

1.Incompetent man cut off his fingers.
2.Incompetent man had no training in the use of table saws.
3.Workmen’s comp. Insurance filed the law-suite in incompetent man's name against Ryobi.
4.Workmen’s Comp. Insurance wins the case and recovers costs and Incompetent man also gets $$$ through no action of his own.
5.Too many foolish woodworkers/tradesmen blame the Incompetent man for filing the lawsuit and totally ignore the fact that he did not, it was an Insurance company that filed the suite.
6.Government will issue a ruling in favor of the only tech available, the sawstop tech.
7.Again, more foolish woodworkers/tradesmen with adolescent senses of logic and immaturity argue nonsensicals against the only tech available to prevent harm.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue today. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers. Ten years!

The facts are as follows:

1.Incompetent man cut off his fingers.
2.Incompetent man had no training in the use of table saws.
3.Workmen’s comp. Insurance filed the law-suite in incompetent man's name against Ryobi.
4.Workmen’s Comp. Insurance wins the case and recovers costs and Incompetent man also gets $$$ through no action of his own.
5.Too many foolish woodworkers/tradesmen blame the Incompetent man for filing the lawsuit and totally ignore the fact that he did not, it was an Insurance company that filed the suite.
6.Government will issue a ruling in favor of the only tech available, the sawstop tech.
7.Again, more foolish woodworkers/tradesmen with adolescent senses of logic and immaturity argue nonsensicals against the only tech available to prevent harm.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue today. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers. Ten years!

Lets repeat the facts of why we are where we are relative to this issue:

1.Incompetent man cut off his fingers.
2.Incompetent man had no training in the use of table saws.
3.Workmen’s comp. Insurance filed the law-suite in Incompetent man's name against Ryobi.
4.Workmen’s Comp. Insurance wins the case and recovers costs and Incompetent man also gets $$$ through no action of his own.
5.Too many foolish woodworkers/tradesmen blame the Incompetent man for filing the lawsuit and totally ignore the fact that he did not, it was an Insurance company that filed the suite.
6.Government will issue a ruling in favor of the only tech available, the sawstop tech.
7.Again, more foolish woodworkers/tradesmen with adolescent senses of logic and immaturity argue nonsensicals against the only tech available to prevent harm.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue today. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers. Ten years!

The facts are as follows:

1.Incompetent man cut off his fingers.
2.Incompetent man had no training in the use of table saws.
3.Workmen’s comp. Insurance filed the law-suite in incompetent man's name against Ryobi.
4.Workmen’s Comp. Insurance wins the case and recovers costs and Incompetent man also gets $$$ through no action of his own.
5.Too many foolish woodworkers/tradesmen blame the Incompetent man for filing the lawsuit and totally ignore the fact that he did not, it was an Insurance company that filed the suite.
6.Government will issue a ruling in favor of the only tech available, the sawstop tech.
7.Again, more foolish woodworkers/tradesmen with adolescent senses of logic and immaturity argue nonsensicals against the only tech available to prevent harm.

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments?
Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer.
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue today. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers. Ten years!

The tech is over ten years old; at what point do you think it is reasonable for manufacturers to start implementing this technology? The patient runs out in six or seven years. Who wants to make a bet that all manufactures will magically start producing their version of SS-tech if they have their way because of silly baseless arguments? Mr. Glass developed a wonderful tech and a silly bunch of crying little girls with to much unfounded pride, ego, and hyper-testosterone levels whine that they should have the right to blah-blah-blah. The tech exists to prevent harm regardless of blame, fault, responsibility, etc...It is a no-brainer. Seriously, how can anyone argue logic with illogical people with seven year old mind sets?
The end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue today. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. No jury on the planet will side with manufacturers given the fact ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers. Ten years! What does it take to get it done!

Very cool! More inovation and ideas to promt safty. The compatabilaty with all saws now makes it very interesting and ups the antie relaivly with competing sawstop!

Snowdog, your missing the point. Insurers do not want to pay for "a laps our judgement" a.k.a our manning up for making a tragic misstake or whatever you want to call it. It is only a matter of time before the insures push hard to get what they want. Insurers spreading the cost is not anougher topic, it is directly related. The insurers will play both sides---make you and I pay more of a premium for being a woodworker/tradesman and go after manufactures for being negligent thus minimizing insurance companies pay outs and increasing their respective profits. It is one industry going after anougher and using the levers of power to do so. It is really that easy. We as individuals and the gov get out of my life extremists are really sitting on the sidelines with respect to this issue.

A couple of notes:

The Ryobi lawsuit was filed by the workman’s comp insurance on the goofballs behalf. Should the employer have had this person running a machine that he was note very experienced on? Probably not. The employer is legally insulated but the TSmanufacture was not and so the insurance company follows suit to recoop its losses.

There will be more lawsuits against TS manufacturers in the coming years. The insurance companies will see to that. When it comes to wielding power, the TS manufactures are children compared to the power insurance companies have. With that, there is no jury or judge on the face of the planet that will excuse manufactures given the timeframe the technology has been available. It just shows negligence the more time goes bye. All manufactures should have the Technology available as an option. Totally ignoring the Sawstop tech at their legal peril is just stupid and foolish.

The Sawstop patent will expire within the next decade. If the TS manufactures make it this far without being run out of business by the government, guess who will offer the tech the moment the patent runs out. Guess who will file a racketeering case against the TS manufacturers at that very same moment. Gass will get his money sooner or later.

Personal responsibility for your own actions is not enough of a defense when the option to eliminate major harm from the equation is there. Government regulation and intervention is a bye-product of the inaction by those entities that should do the right thing on their own for the public good but don’t.

It is unbelievably silly to read about ones personal responsibility, as a justification for not having a technology that eliminates the chances of maiming one self---how illogical is that. No one desires Gov. intrusion in their lives but there are issues that are for the public good and like it or not this is one of them.
I have been reading with distained amazement over the years on how fellow woodworkers, specifically Joe-home owner types, can be so childish and brandy about a twisted machismo about a technology that can save them and their loved ones from disaster dispite their incompetance. If this technology had been implemented early on, this whole issue now would be a non-starter. It would be standard fair with only the conspiracy theorist---which are legion in our ranks---ranting on.

The patent on the technology will run its course within the next seven or eight years. I will guarantee that all the TS manufactures will come out with sawstop tech on their machines, and low and behold, the cost will be what it will be at the time. Gass (with the help of insurance companies) will sue the industry for racketeering, win God knows how much and life goes on at our expense. As far as the goofball who won the millions, it was the workman’s comp insurance company that sued on his behalf. The writing on the wall is that any individual who works for someone that requires him/her to use a TS can and possibly will have their relative workman’s compensation insurance company suing on their behalf to cover their expenses plus punitive costs that by extension affect solo home shops as well. The lobbyist that are driving this issue are the insurance companies that do not want to foot the bill anymore since the tech exists to prevent major incidence thus increasing their respective profits if they can force manufacturers to implement the technology. It is really that simple. However, when you have to deal with people with child like minds you cannot argue logic with their illogic mindset. My children make wonderful arguments relative to their 10 and 12 year old minds but they lack the maturity to see beyond themselves and their selfishness---a situation that is clear with the SawStop, government in my life, conspiracy theorist since they cannot see the forest through the trees when it comes to this issue.

budh17, grow up, your missing the point.

How silly is it to read about personal responsibility, as a justification for not including a tech that eliminates the chances of maiming one self---how illogical is that. Read this and push that ridicules concept out of your mind, The SawStop Tech is a very real necessity!
I have been reading with distained amazement over the years on how fellow woodworkers can be so childish about a tech that can save them and their loved ones from disaster. When you have to deal with people with child like minds you cannot argue logic with their illogic mindset. My children make wonderful arguments relative to their 10 and 12 year old minds but they lack the maturity to see beyond their years---a situation that is clear with the SawStop neigh Sayers since they cannot see the forest through the trees.

The injury issues discussed are always the same, I was distracked, tired,...yada-yada-yada.
I have read most of the postings here and sit in stunned silence at how little is mentioned positvely if it's mentioned at all about existing technology that prevents serious injury---ie the sawstop tech. You know guys/gals there is no getting around it. The technology exists to eliminate this as a work/hobby place issue.
Enough time has elapsed since SStop's tech debue that if it was universely adapted at the time it would be relativly cheap by now and a non-issue. It's also silly to think that just because having this SStop Tech that my or anyone elses procedures to safty will change, an exposed rotating blade has a way of commanding respect no matter how much safty is designed into a tool of this nature.
When legistlation for mandatory seatbelt compliance was passed, I too was initially anti-compliant SOB but it's a known common sence now topic now. This tablesaw issued is relatively the same dung with a differant smell.

It's amazing too me that the sawstop tech has not been implimented across all brands by this time---for gods sakes how foolish and stubborn can one be. To my knowledge, almost all production shops have moved to Sawstop machines for the simple reason that accidents will happen, you cannot stop or predict it so head it off at the past and save big $$$$ on issurance costs, workmans comp. It only takes one claim to send your insurance and workmans comp thru the roof. I simply cannot understand the muchismo and bull-headedness of sum of my fellow woodworks against implimenting Sawstop's tech in their home.
I will bet anyone that when the pat runs out on SawStop's tech we will wonderously see across all manufacturers the technology introduced and a stream of law suits will more than likly follow for obvious reasons given that the Sawstop tech will have been around for some time and no action was taken by manufacturers ... The writing is on the wall, Penny wise pound foolish.