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Re: MIT Students and Professor Invent Handheld CNC Router System

Okay, I just have to... someone below suggested linking this to GPS... Seriously??? As I make my living with GPS technology, #1 GPS does not work underground, underwater, or indoors (so unless you do all of your wood working outside...), #2 current GPS technology has a +/- factor of up to 50 meters when reading 3-4 satellites (so unless your margin of error is HUGE in your work...), add to this GPS “drift” which could take your router down the block, and well… #3 even IF GPS could be made to work in your shop, and the accuracy factor could be overcome (with new satellites going up every year, the accuracy factor is getting tighter), how exactly would you then align your work piece????
With all of the criticisms, I can say that Alec is on the right track. If you want true CNC, there are several choices, this idea – if ever made into a product – would allow a specific pattern to be taken to a spot on a project, rather than the other way around – Brilliant!!! To the person who asked why he couldn’t just use a pattern with a guide bearing, you can, and I do, but how great would it be to not have to make a pattern first… concept to design, to finished project… cutting out that “pattern” step would be awesome…

Re: General Consolidates Operations, Closes its Canadian Factory

Look, there are many reasons why goods can be produced overseas cheaper, and yes unions driving up wages beyond what the market can sustain was/is a big part of that. As is US manufacturing regulations that makes the cost of running an operation in the US (and to a nearly equal extend Canada)prohibitive. But the largest factor in the reasoning for manufacturing fleeing to foreign shores is simple - taxes. The US corporate tax rate is second only to Europe (notice that no American companies are going there).
In 1900, the total tax burden in the US (at all levels), was 7% of the GDP. By 2000, that number had reached 47% or 49% depending on which accounting method is used (remember the Clinton Administration changed the way accounting is done in Washington - resulting in a 'surplus' on the books).
If you want manufacturing to move back to the US, you must realize that we cannot tax our way out of our problems, And Republicans and Democrats know nothing else.

Re: Stephen Colbert Takes the Sizzle Out of SawStop

What is at the foundation of this debate is not the validity of this technology, nor whether we should be using it in our saws. It is about wether a company should be able to use force to require that competitors purchase their technology. I wish to be clear; SawStop makes an incredible product. I was in the process of purchasing one when the lawsuit decision came out, and SawStop's position that the government should force people to buy their products (or more accurately, their products built into competitor's products) prevented me from choosing their product. As such I have instead purchased a European combination machine with a sliding saw. I have made this decision because it is the safest machine that I could buy without supporting a company which espouses using the government (funded by my tax dollars) that would - at the point of a gun - force all companies to give money to that company, leaving us with no freedom of choice. The truly sad part is that this technology is a good one, and in the free marketplace, it would come to dominate and SawStop would be household name as its competitors voluntarily line up to buy rights to incorporate it in their products in an effort to prevent the loss of market share to SawStop. SawStop’s products and it’s underlying technology can win in the free market place, but instead, the SawStop company have chosen to take a short-cut and use the guns of government to force their way to the top of woodworking market place. “They that would surrender Liberty for safety deserve neither” – Franklin
NEVER - but NEVER surrender your liberty for safety.

Re: Behold, the Speed Tenon

I have used this technique for years, it is fast and safe. And here I thought I was the only one doing this. If you can't do this technique, you likely need to work on your basic table saw skills anyway because it's safer than making cove molding on a table saw, and everyone recognizes that operation as a safe method to cut wood. With this said, I only use this method when I have only one or two tennons to make, and I always cut them proud and then clean them with a shoulder plane. If I have more than a couple to do, I use a jig because that's actually faster. The reason is that no matter how short the passes, you still get a scalloped surface that will need cleaning anyway - a round blade will never provide a perfectly flat surface on its round edge. But with my jig, I get it smooth enough that it does not need work with the plane (because I'm now referencing the flat side of the blade), and so I can cut to final dimension on the first cut.

Re: UPDATE: DVD Giveaway: Fine Woodworking 2011 Annual Collection

Okay, I had to post if for no other reason than to prove that I never win anything.
Love the mag though, I have piles of back issues going back a dozen years in a corner taking up valuable shop space, one day I'll finally build that book cabinet that I've been planning - for years - to get them off of the floor...

Re: UPDATE: Deadline extended again for tablesaw safety comments to the CPSC

Sawstop makes a durable, rugged, downright fine product that I will NEVER buy. Not because of price - given the safety factor, I find it to be a bargain, and was seriously considering buying one a couple of years ago. No, I will NEVER, but NEVER buy a product from a company that espouses using the guns of government to force consumers to purchase their products. I will not purchase a Chevy, nor Chrysler either thanks to the bail-outs... and finding a bank that wasn't "on the take" was no easy task either. At the rate that we are selling our souls to the government, it won't be long before I cannot buy a new product in this country. Anyone seriously wonder why there is so much out-sourcing going on in American business?

Re: Blade brake inventor aims to compete with SawStop

2dtenor, it's called the tragedy of the commons, the fact that no one is held responsible when we allow the government to make our decisions and choices for us, and as a result the exact opposite of what we desired comes to pass. This is a result of a concept that somehow we can legislate ourselves into a richer more safe society. The fact is that you cannot legislate an end to accidents. Look at the safety devices implemented into the automobile industry in the past 80 years, yet the #2 killer of Americans is the automobile. The only difference is that a car now costs a full year's salary as opposed to a month's salary back in 1930, yet we are still being killed by the hundreds of thousands. But none of this is going to matter if you believe that somehow government regulation will somehow override human choice. I prefer to call it being a grown up. Read the various posts in woodworking forums if you need proof. How many woodworkers take the blade guard off of their table saw? Table saw guards are legislated, and in the end it did not override choice, all that it did was raise the cost of table saws. The exact safety benefit would have been gained by saw manufacturers offering them to those who want them.
No matter the question, liberty is the answer. If you think that the safety device is a good idea, you should use it - Period. Now to your heart-string pulling example; your example was about someone employed in a woodshop. That one is simple, the shop owner has the choice to supply such devices, and has the choice to provide training on the tools, and has the choice to oversee the employees to be sure that they are acting safely. The employee has the choice to work at the shop. If the shop is not safe, the employee should work elsewhere (there are even more dangerous jobs that the employee can pursue if he thinks that the shop is too safe – coal mining for instance). It is in the shop owner's best interest to provide the safest shop, and the best training because we have a thing in this country called a legal system. If the employee is harmed through no fault of his own he has the option to hold the shop owner accountable. Sadly the trend in America lately is to run contrary to common law, and hold those of us who are not responsible (consumers) to pay the bill in the form of mandated technologies that may or may not actually provide a benefit, yet will definitely cost more. Again, requiring saw manufacturers to put this guard on their saw, or sawstop’s device on their saw will do nothing considering that either system can be overridden – much like a seat belt.
I’ll NEVER buy a sawstop as a result of their shenanigans of trying to force us to buy them through legislation, but if I cut my finger off as a result, I will not hold the saw manufacturer responsible because they did not include the sawstop break. That is the other thing missing in America; the ingrained knowledge that with liberty comes responsibility. If our courts would stop holding others responsible for our decisions, I would not be writing this post right now. If you want to buy a Sawstop, you should not be allowed to make the choice to buy one, if you do not and cut your finger off, your saw’s manufacturer, and by proxy all of their future customers and shareholders should not bear the burden of that decision. So again, buy what you want, as mentioned, if it becomes available, I’ll buy it, but please don't force the rest of my wood working brethren to buy a product just because you and I think it's a good idea.

Re: Blade brake inventor aims to compete with SawStop

The question was: would I use such a device? The answer: yes. While it is true that the best safety device sits between my shoulders, I believe in more, not less safety. Should such devices be required: Hell NO!, such decisions should be for each individual. As to the 1/8 second stop time, #1) 1/8 second is a LOT faster than the stop time done by a person manually turning off the saw with a finger missing, so it's a vast improvement over not having it, and #2) the sensor is not on the blade as with the SawStop, it’s on the guard which appears to be more than an inch from the blade. Thus, by the time the finger hits the blade, it may have already been a 1/8 second since the sensor picked up the finger (depending of feed rate of course). I have a European munti-function saw (Robland x-31) which is safer in and of itself, add this, and I'd be even more so.
Now to the big question; would it be under the work bench as much as on the saw? Answer, that depends on the design. From the video, it appears that there is a bracket mounted to the top. This would allow me to mount it to an arm suspended from the ceiling, allowing me to use it on 90%+ of the cuts that are made on the saw, including dados, and other 'blind' cuts. I have been trying to find a decent ceiling mounted saw blade guard for some time. I have become amazed by the lack of viable overhead / ceiling mounted blade guard systems there are out there, and am now assuming that I have to design and build one myself. If this guard became available, I would definitely incorporate it. If the designed offered a ceiling mounted system to use with it my answer would be: where do I send the check?

Re: Death at Yale University a Sad Reminder for Shop Safety Vigilance

This is a terrible tragedy, and more sadly, one that we will likely not be able to learn from since the only one who knows what truly happened is now deceased. We can all speculate, but no one knows for sure whether obvious safety mistakes were made or not, and so I wish we would all learn to speculate less. My only reason for commenting is that it saddens me that whenever something like this happens, everyone wants to “do something”, and everyone wants blame “someone” – OSHA?, Managers?, Unions? Really?
People, accidents happen. It’s tragic, and if we are wise we learn from them, but blowing off steam looking for places and people at which, or toward whom we may point our fingers does not help. The recent table saw legislation will only make our craft worse, and it is doubtful that it will reduce accidents (given that those who cannot afford a SawStop saw will have to resort mounting a circular saw to a piece of plywood – (far less safe than the standard table saw) - as was done in my grandfather’s day before the advent of affordable table saws. I only wonder why rather than trying to make our imperfect world perfect, people do not marvel at how safe our hobby is rather than clamoring about what could have – or more sadly what should be – done. Given the number of motor vehicle deaths every year despite the vast array of legislatively mandated safety devices that there are in the manufacture of an automobile, woodworking is a very safe endeavor – yet we all hop into our cars every day without a second thought. I’m sorry for the long post, but if there is a message, it’s actually this – value your life and know how precious it I - you could loose it at any time. Take in the joy of what you are doing every moment as if it were your last, but by the same token, take steps to protect yourself so that it may not be. And above all, recognize that our craft, as with nearly all things in life, comes with certain inherent dangers, and learn to love it [woodworking] all the more because, not in spite of this fact. May you rest in peace Michele Dufault.

Re: Do you work in a small shop? Tell us about it!

I started my “life” as a woodworker right out of high school in a tool shed in my parent’s back yard - Aprox. 9’ by 6’. I used this space for about a decade (even after moving out of my parent’s house, my father allowed me to keep the space since I lived in an apartment, and would come “home” on weekends to do work). I had a bench top band saw, a bench top jointer, a bench top sander, some hand tools (saws, planes, chisels, etc..), some hand power tools (drill, circular saw, etc..). Obviously, I had a small bench with storage beneath for the aforementioned tools, and a shelf on the back wall for wood storage. My only “stationary” power tool was the original “multi-machine”… a radial arm saw – a high school graduation present from my parents. I did EVERYTHING on it. You name it, crosscutting, ripping, jointing - boards too long for my table top jointer, planeing; I once turned a bowl on it using the motor as an outboard lathe with a jury rigged tool rest and hand made turning tool, and even used it as a pin router to make some marble games. NOTHING was precise on it, and so every project required “finishing” up with hand tools, but I think that I am a better woodworker today as a result. Sheet goods obviously were not an option, and so I could only work with sheet goods on nice summer days when I would drag the saw out into the yard. Boards longer than a couple of feet had to be fed in through the door, and out through the window. I cried when the parents sold the house and the shed was torn down by the new owners – time relentlessly marches on.
Today I work in a 1 ½ car garage, and when I first moved in I thought that I was in woodworker’s Heaven, but with adequate tool storage under a build in bench and cabinets, Robland x-31, air compressor, dust collector, and yes I still have the Radial Arm Saw, I now find myself in the same dilemma as millions of woodworkers before me… I just found a lathe that I simply could not walk away from, and have to decide whether to house the lathe out in the backyard shed, or store the sheet goods there (and the yard tools will need to find a new home), because I have run out of wall space… it appears that as with many before me, in my quest to make my woodworking life easier, I have grown to the point where I have come full-circle. To be honest, writing this I just realized that I make no more projects per year in my new(er) shop than I did in the old shed (and only the recipients of those projects could ascertain as to whether my larger shop has improved the quality), although I must admit that it’s nice to be able to work without having to first empty half of the shed into the yard.. but at the end of the day maybe mom was right… “less may or may not be more, but in the end all that one really 'NEEDS' sits comfortably inside of his skull”

Re: Top-Notch Tools for Less: WoodRiver's New V3 Block Planes

For me it's simple (and it's obvious that I disagree with most posts here), being a student of economics, I can tell you that the quality-price ratio is a product of free-market forces. When there is a monopoly, prices are higher. Lie Nielsen are priced as high as they are because they are nearly "hand-made" which costs more to produce. This however does not mean that they are of higher quality than COULD be made through mass production. They are made that way because there are no market forces requiring Lie Nielsen to invest in mass production machinery to compete – and thus, it makes the most sense for Lie Nielsen to continue to use current production techniques. Mass production does not mean lower quality; remember Henry Fords’ Model T changed the auto industry, and his autos were considered equal to or better than autos 4-5 times the price.
With the Stanley line of tools began lowering in quality to lower price point (to open a new market base), a void was left for higher-end customers. Woodworkers then had a choice to make, buy lower quality, buy old used higher quality, or pay a premium for new higher quality. And for the past few decades this is where the hand tool market has resided, and the “premium” is at a MUCH higher ratio for hand tools than stationary power tools, in no small part due to market pressures brought about by the introduction of Grizzly tools to the American market more than a decade ago.
I have not used a Wood River plane, so I cannot speak to the quality-price ration of their tools, but if they are as good as the review claims, it is a good thing for woodworking in general, it will force the American market to compete or close doors (remember the Automotive crap coming out of Detroit in the '70's '80's? - thanks to the Japanese, American auto manufacturing can now compete with the best in the world market (within a price point of course)). And I bet my fellow posters here would have - or did - continued to buy the American crap back then just because they “Buy only American.” The ONLY way to improve the quality-price ration in American tools is for woodworking consumers to buy tools with the best quality-price ratio - regardless of where they are made. Free-market forces have, and will continue to, rule and American manufacturing will as it always has, rise to the task. And I predict if Wood River continues to improve in quality, they will do for hand tools what Grizzly did for stationary power tools, which is to say MUCH better quality-price ratios (Delta’s uni-saw is cheaper today (in inflation adjusted dollars) than their old saws of lesser quality, thanks to the competitive fixed power tool market).
* All of this of course is discounting the fact that the tax burden on manufacturing in the U.S. is now at the 50% point of GDP, and higher than nearly any other country except for middle Europe – anyone seeing inexpensive high-quality tools – or anything else for that matter – coming out of England or France?). And the only way to fix this situation sadly is to have more American firms send their manufacturing off shore until the politicians realize that to be competitive in the world market; we cannot balance our debt on the backs of the American business man, since those costs are then borne by consumers who have other choices. In other words, Atlas is shrugging, and sadly it appears that it must continue to happen in order to wake up D.C.

Re: Surprise landing: Stanley's new Sweetheart chisels have arrived

Sorrypathrat06, but Holtdoa is right. In America, we pay 48-51% of our income in taxes (depending on which government accounting figures you use), and these are the government's own numbers. Back in medieval times, the surfs only paid 1/3 of their income to the landlords, and we thought them abused when studying the time period in school. There is a reason why so many companies are headquartered in Porto Rico, and now out in the UAE. The fact of the matter is that we have far too many laws that are supposed to protect us, and we pay far too much money for the "service" as a result far too many of our companies are forced to go off-shore just to survive. Our industry is a cottage industry, and has faired better than mass markets (as attested by the presence of LV and LN, but at the end of the day, even in woodworking, most of us are not willing to choose between woodworking and paying the mortgage, so cost is a factor as with everything else, and the government's cut is simply too high in the good old U.S. of A. On the plus side, the government is so far in debt that bankruptcy isn’t far behind, and while the adjustment will be tough on us all, the fall-out will be Americans finally realizing that a huge bloated government is not only not worth the price tag, but completely unsustainable, and THEN we will see our American companies come back home to roost. Looks like Atlas is finally Shrugging.

Re: Tablesaw Safety Goes Under the Microscope--Again

Do not go quietly into that good night! Follow this legislation closely, and HOUND your representatives to kill it! A kitchen knife injures more people every day than a table saw, will this legislation “fix” that? We cannot legislate safety into our lives any more than we can legislate out stupidity. These are your rights that we are talking about! First of all, the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution prohibit such legislation, but once again, Congress will abuse the commerce clause to pass this. Secondly, such legislation will prohibit you from saving money by buying an economy saw, and instead of using "flesh sensing technology", using "brain" technology. Your “rights” are inalienable, and your “right” to purchase the saw of your choice – provided that the exercising of that right does not violate the rights of others – shall not be infringed (regardless of whether the [Congress] choose to ignore this law, as they have done thousands of times in the past).

Re: Seen at Colonial Williamsburg: Japanese tools force a new stance on woodworking

Dear, FWW - Please consider an issue (or several) dedicated to Japanese woodworking. From their pull-saws, to their planes, to their benches, to the metal used for their blades, to the "how-tos" of using these tools, we could all learn a lot, and there is not much dedicated to the subject in this country. I am VERY interested in learning more on the subject. I had the oppertunity to try a Japanese style plane recently at a woodworking show, and I still rember the feeling of "this is MUCH more natural of a feeling than my bench planes." I want to know more... much more.
From what I glean in the article, a woodworker just starting out would do well to consider this style of woodworking since it is implied that the bench in question could be built rather inexpensively, allowing the starting woodworker to dedicate more time and money to quality hand tools, and lessons.

Re: The Perfect Holiday Gift: 3,530 Router Bits

Doesn't it figure, I log in on Dec. 1, and find out about a promotion that ended on November 30... Story of my life, day late and a dollar short...
as for the big set, one could always start a tool museum...

Re: Has The Economy Tempered Your Tool Addiction?

I'm doing my part for the economy, all with used tools. I bought a used Robland 5-1 x-31 combo (GREAT machine, little space requirement, 3hp tooling), and as a result the man I bought it from was able to pay his mortgage having been laid-off (win-win) - he got out of wood-working several years ago, and it had been in storage since then (now he isn't paying for a storage shed any more to boot). Then I bought a used Grizzly 3hp single stage dust collector from a guy who now has the space for a cyclone, but needed the extra funds to make the purchase - again win-win. Several smaller tools off of Craigslist (shop heater, and piping for the dust collector), and e-bay, nail guns. Remember, money you give to a former owner of that used tool gets spent into the economy too...

Re: Total garage shop makeover

Great job. An inspiration!

Jdelmon: Interesting question. I am about 3/4 of the way through a 2 car-attached garage shop conversion, and it's been 2-years. My wife was threatening to park her car in there, so something had to be done . If I ever get it completed, I'll consider submitting the story and photos to FWW perhaps for an article. It started with insulating the roll-up doors (I live in a sub development with an HOA, so changing the doors is NOT an option), and insulating the walls, so that it wasn't so hot in the summer, and cold in the winter.
WOW what a difference that made, which meant that I wanted to spend more time in there, so I built cabinets/work surface that covered the south wall, and houses my radial-arm saw, and miter saw so that out-feed are taken care of at the same time.
This of course evolved into my cutting a trench through the concrete floor to run the 220 for my Robland x-31 combination machine, so that I could stop tripping over the extension cord all of the time.
I am now in the middle of hooking up a 3-HP dust collector that I picked up on Craigslist and running piping, and with winter coming on, I want to get that 220 electric heater suspended from the ceiling, which means making a bracket and running the electricity - so that I no longer have to keep moving it all day just to get it out of my way.
Next, I need to install better lighting. I ran the electrical junction boxes into the ceiling back when I installed the subpanel 2 years ago (one circuit is NOT enough to supply even the most Spartan wood shop, so that is the first thing to consider by anyone putting in a shop), but just haven't gotten to it, but I will this winter.
So as you can see, like you I have a life outside of woodworking, which eats up more time that I would like, and I have a very limited budget, so I have to do small improvements one paycheck at a time. But I must say; if you love woodworking, the improvements that you make in your shop add more than the sum of their parts (or time in labor and expense).
As mentioned, keep your eye out, perhaps one day you'll see photos and my story in the pages of FWW. In the mean time, pick the most pressing upgrade (I'd always start with making sure that you have enough power - subpanel in most cases), and do it. Unless you have the money and time, do not give yourself a deadline, just upgrade as time and budget allows.

Re: How to Win $1.5-Million: Lessons from the Tablesaw Lawsuit

Steve, 140-150ºF coffee cannot be "spilled safely". And no, I do not have a coffee maker at home, my wife uses a French Press because she likes hot coffee... which means, she boils the water, pours it into the press, presses the coffee and pours it into her cup. If she should spill it on herself, who should be sued? The tea kettle manufacturer? The stove manufacturer? the French Press manufacturer? For the love of all that is holy, if you pour scalding liquid on yourself you will get scalded, and yes, 140-150 F can scald you.
Perhaps McDonalds should not have been who was sued, but rather the auto manufacturer who put a cup holder in the vehicle, after all, when driving, one should be doing just that, not drinking coffee... see my previous post to discover why. Anyone willing to place a cup of obviously hot liquid between their legs in a car should not be able to sue the person (or company) who made that liquid hot in the first place - regardless of temperature (and yes, the plaintiff in that case admitted to placing the cup between her legs which is what caused her to grab for it and then spill it).
Let's all say it together shall we - - Individual Liberty means Personal Responsibility... you cannot have one without the other.

Re: How to Win $1.5-Million: Lessons from the Tablesaw Lawsuit

Shaperdog, I'm sorry to hear about your accident, but it was not Delta's fault that you own a Delta instead of a Sawstop. It is your responsibility to sell your saw and buy a new one if you think that what you are using is not safe; your responsibility - no one else’s, just as it is your responsibility to get rid of any tools that you cannot use safely. I'm sorry that you cut your fingers, honestly I am, but it is not Delta's fault, they NEVER claimed that having a sharp blade spinning at thousands of RPM would be safe, yet you chose to work with one anyway, that makes it your responsibility - period!
Do you drive a car? Did you know that after heart attacks, motor vehicles kill more Americans than anything else, and seatbelts, and airbags have not done much to curb that number. Since you know that, it is your responsibility to keep yourself safe. Can you do so safely in a moving vehicle? Your decision to make, not the auto manufacturers. If you want a guarantee that you will be safe, do not get into a moving automobile - ever! Yet we keep buying cars... Just as you bought a Delta saw instead of a Sawstop saw (yes, the sawstop was out 3 years ago - the first models went on sale late in 2004), because you felt that you were capable enough to use a Delta saw safely and did not need to spend the additional money for the Sawstop. Your decision to buy the Delta instead of the Sawstop was a personal decision, and I do not blame you for that, but it was your decision, and now you want to blame that decision on the Delta Corporation?!?!?! For shame!!
To read all of the posts that claim that this lawsuit even resembled justice makes me sick for my country - man am I glad that I chose not to have children!

Saschafer: it is not possible to keep coffee in a liquid state hotter than boiling temperature (it becomes a vapor above that temperature – witch varies with elevation above sea level), therefore the McDonalds coffee was as hot as they advertised that it was. Boiling coffee will scald a person – but it will also stay hot longer than luke-warm coffee, which is why people buy hot coffee. It is the responsibility of the person buying coffee advertised as being hot enough to scald said person to handle the coffee with care... just as it is the responsibility of a person putting wood into a spinning blade to do so safely. Do accidents happen? yes, that's why they are called accidents, and the juries should not only find in favor of the defendants in such cases, they should find that the defendant's suit was frivolous and hand down a fine to the plaintiffs in the two aforementioned cases.

Russr: Thank-you, you said it better than anyone ever could. To anyone who missed his post, go back and read it.

Re: More Details on the Carlos Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

To those of you such as AndrewK, Bob Budda, Bradleym et al - it's really simple Liberty or not... there is no middle ground. Either you own your own life or you do not. Either you make your own choices or you do not. The world is not a safe place, and no inventions are going to change that. Every day we make choices. Every day we risk death (look out your car window at the telephone pole speeding past you on your drive home to prove that). While it's true that we have not had "Liberty" in the true sense of the word in this country for a VERY long time, the goal should ALWAYS be - LIBERTY. Sawstop saws exist. For those who want them, simply buy one (and Papawhisky, now they are not expensive, if you think so, simply make your own - there is no patent infringement if you only make it for your own use). For those who do not want one - say to save money, liberty dictates that they be free to make that choice.
But my dear people liberty and responsibility are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have the freedom to choose a lesser expensive table saw, yet surrender the responsibility for the extra level of safety and attention that you mist bring to the operation of cutting wood. This holds true with EVERYTHING (yes seatbelts, airbags, ets - seatbelt laws are WRONG - liberty dictates that you decide if you will wear one or not - responsibility dictates that you live (or perhaps die) with that decision).
The trouble with this case is that it attempts to separate the two inseparable elements Liberty/responsibility - and THAT gentlemen is why this country is such a mess. And THAT is why I vote Libertarian!
For those of you who would give essential liberty for the illusion of safety - there are hundreds of other countries to which you could move, why stay here and undermine our founding documents?

Re: More Details on the Carlos Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

At the end of the day, beyond the obvious that the jury thinks that someone who engages in unsafe behavior should be rewarded, the more important lesson here is that the jury is made up of people who have zero understanding of patent law. If anyone puts "flesh sensing technology" onto their equipment, they will be sued for patent infringement, and be given "cease and desist" orders.
Or what I glean from this lawsuit is that every manufacturer needs to put this technology onto their equipment, get sued, settle out of court and remove the technology. They when some idiot takes off the guards and fences and cuts himself, and decides to blame someone else in an effort to get rich, the company will be protected by the fact that the court forced them to remove the technology.
The more that I read things like this, the more convinced that I become that we as a nation are in our death throes... not willing to give up hope - I vote Libertarian!

Re: When You Have Your Accident

HowardA - you're almost there. Yes it is a HUGE problem that we now live in a world that our carelessness, stupidity, or laziness can be blamed on others, and make us rich. The answer however is not more laws. What is needed is for America to return to Constitutional law (common law). When most people look at the money and corruption in elections, they immediately think "campaign finance reform", but only those who sit and think about realize that the campaign money is the symptom, NOT the problem. The problem in that case is that politicians break their oath to the Constitution by giving away trillions of dollars in clear violation of the 9th and 10th Amendments (MOST of the things that Congress does today is against the law (Constitution)). Te same is true here. An honest judge would refuse to even hear such a case, let alone allow it to a full trial. Read the Constitution over as many times as you like, you will find nowhere in it a right to be reimbursed for not protecting/defending/taking care of yourself. Thus rather than Tort Reform, we need to start voting out judges that hear such cases (and voting out politicians who appoint such judges in the case of judges that do not stand for elections). Sorry for the rant... I completely agree on ALL other points... makes me ashamed to be a woodworker in America

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

BTW, to "mcnervy", "gecwdwkr", "jlluft" et al. NO, it should not be mandated that all table saws cost twice as much as they do now, and no, it is not the manufacturer's fault that this man put a finger in front of a spinning blade. One should not even need a warning to figure out that you must keep your fingers away from a spinning blade. Is the SawStop device a good idea? You betcha! But should we take away an American's right to choose the product that he wants based on features/price??? Manufactures can only sell what we want to buy. If we all wanted SawStop saws, the others would be out of business already (me, I thought long and hard about my decision when I bought mine. I considered the SawStop, but for the same amount of money for the SawStop saw, I was able to buy a 5 in 1 combination machine with a sliding table saw... and with a sliding table, my hand VERY rarely comes anywhere near the saw blade, which is much better than any brake technology). As the price of the technology comes down (once the patent expires), you will start to see the technology show up on other devices at prices we can afford. If however you mandate it, it will remain expensive (simple "supply and Demand").

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

This isn't surprising, after all, the verdict came out of Tax-a-chusetts, this is the same state that passed a law that required ALL firearms to have trigger locks - and now the black powder muskets hanging on the walls of the state legislature have… you guessed it… trigger locks on them (seriously, look it up)! As if you could even fire one of them if you wanted to.
We are living through the "I.D." generation... ("I deserve"). This guy buys a cheap saw to save money rather than spending the extra money for one that will make up for his lack of competence, that’s okay, that’s his right and his choice. Then when he lops off a finger, it suddenly becomes someone else's fault. But really, what do we expect? We don't educate our own children any more, instead we send them to government schools where they are taught that the government has the answers to all of our problems, and that if something bad happens to you (regardless of whether it was your fault or not), you should turn to the government and “Mother Gov.” will make it all better. In this case, give you money from that greedy company who made a saw that you could actually afford to buy.
No judge in America should even allow such lawsuits into their court room. Personal responsibility is dead, at least in Malden Mass. I lost the tip of my finger on a planner when I was younger. It was a small Sears planner, and I was trying to make it do a task for which it was not intended. Did I sue? No, I learned a lesson and moved on, but then again, I was raised by parents that made their children take responsibility for their actions. In fact if I was so greedy as to attempt to sue, my father would have likely testified on behalf of Sears. It’s a shame that this guy didn’t have anyone who loved him enough to smack him and make him do the right thing.
Now you know why I vote Libertarian (but you could likely figure that out by my user name).

Re: Scraptacular Gallery Challenge: Official Rules

franco88: entries are accepted from Feb 11, 2010 to March 11, 2010... no time machine necessary.
All, I have a question; I read the rules, but can't find it anywhere - can I enter more than one project? Since I am both cheap and poor, nearly all of my projects were built from scraps (thank Heaven for wasteful contractors - eah?), so do I need to choose only one to submit, or can I enter my best three?

Re: Bench Cookie Giveaway

Cookies go well with ... Scotch anyone?

to Perdudan... just changed my pic, and a not so rare one of me drinking... er, sampling a fine Scotch. I think it's important to do something with all of that stuff so that I can get my hands on the white oak barrels for projects ;-)

BTW, the instructions neglect to mention that you must first click "log on"... then follow the above directions...

Re: Norm Abram at Old Sturbridge Village


Shortly after I graduated from High School ('82) I began watching Norm and the NYW. If asked who my favorite teacher was, each of you here know the answer. Here in Colorado we have two different PBS stations, and the NYW is on Sat AND Sun on the two different channels - yeah! At exactly 4:00 pm, on Sat (11:00 am on Sunday) the saw stops running, and sawdust covered or not, I am seated in the living room for this week's lesson (the wife has given up scolding me for tracking the sawdust in each week - thanks mainly due to the furniture that she has gotten over the years because of Norm's lessons).
For a couple of decades now, I have watched the show, and thought "okay, I don't own that tool, how can I make another tool do the same job", so to RUSHISALIAR, all that I can say is this; the knowledge that Norm gave me, along with a cheap radial arm saw, and some old family hand tools, I managed to build a half dozen of Norm's projects and a couple dozen other projects. Remember, it is the poor craftsman who blames his tools (or lack thereof) for his inability. I am a woodworker today because of Norm's inspiration. For that, I thank you Norm!

Re: How to build a table, in 60 seconds

Okay folks, I didn't think that someone could build a table in 60 seconds, but I was curious. Now forget your grammatically correct "comma", the title doesn't matter when the lead-in was:
"Creative slump got you down? We've got a woodworking Rx that's sure to inspire you. Watch a gifted furniture maker crank out a beautiful table in only 60 seconds."
That not only implies it, it outright says that he can "...crank out a beautiful table in only 60 seconds." which by any description is misleading.
That said, I have no idea if the video is any good or not since I can't get it to open.

Re: Tool Chest Contest Winner is Selected

Danniel, you wrote: "It's simply a piece of furniture that stores tools. I really don't think that qualifies as a tool chest.", actually, webster's defines it this way: "A chest (also called coffer or kist) is one of the oldest forms of furniture. It is typically a rectangular structure with four walls and a liftable lid, for storage. The interior space may be subdivided. ..." Thus a tool chest would be a piece of furniture that holds tools. You make yours to look the way you like, and I will make mine to look the way I like, and obviously, Gregg will make his… his way.
One thing that we cannot argue is his ability, and if he chooses to use that ability to make a chest to house his tools in grand style, who are any of us to criticize?
And finally, I am glad that you think that it's okay for me to make a fine box to hold paints for my sister, but offended that you somehow think it's not okay for Gregg to make a fine chest to hold tools for himself. I suppose fine woodworking is only meant to be gifts (I guess I shouldn't show you photos of the "boxes" that I made to hold the Christmas decorations... the "boxes" that my wife thinks are a shame to hide away in the attic for 11 months out of the year, but the truth is, I love the weekend after Thanksgiving because of the memories that I get when I lower those "boxes" with their depictions of Victorian era santas, decorations and toys inlaid on the covers, and handles that look strikingly like horse drawn sleighs). People, get over it already, we work with wood for our own enjoyment, or we soon leave the hobby. If you want an ulgy tool chest, you should make one. If Gregg wants a beautiful one... well he did, and he did.

Re: Tool Chest Contest Winner is Selected

WOW you people are rough! MY gosh, the man does a great job, and the criticism that "it's too nice." I sure am glad that I work wood by myself, and for myself. Reading these posts and I just had to tell my story; about a decade ago, I made a "box" as a present for my sister who was graduating from Art school. It was made from quarter sawn oak, tiger maple, walnut burl, wenge, about a dozen different woods in all. Inlaid brass hardware, her initials and a rough up of a work that she had done while in school done in marquetry on the lid. It was done in the style of an attaché case, with compartments for paints, brushes, et. al. inside. I finished it with 6 coats of Tung Oil finish rubbed and buffed between each coat, instead of a more durable poly varnish.
When she opened it, her eyes lit up, and then she frowned and said "I wanted a box that I could use to hold my paints and ‘stuff’, but this is too nice." I explained that this is what I envisioned her stuffing her supplies into, and spilling paint on. I wanted it to be beautiful so that she would know that I loved her, but also to inspire her to make beautiful things herself. After much debate, she caved in, and began using it as her paint "box." After a decade of paint projects, it’s dinged up, and has drippings of a rainbow of colors all over, as well as in it, but thanks to the craftsmanship, it's still hanging tough, and we both agree that it is far more beautiful now than when it was new. Sure, I could have just made a box and covered it in poly, but a plain box could not have shown her what I thought of her. I made a testament to the career she had chosen; Art for art’s sake, because that is what my heart wanted her to have. The paint spills are her badges of honor that she adds daily. The dings are the gift that she gives me by letting me knot that it is being used and loved. Any old box would not be good enough, and not beating this one up would have been no way to honor the idea of the gift. This was the “box” that was needed, and it was being used as it was intended. Using it was not ruining it, it was adding the value of artistry that I could not impart into it – only she could.
Our niece is entering collage this fall to study art as well. My sister made her a deal; if she graduates with an A average, she will get the box... the box that has been by my sister’s side through so many ‘all-nighters’… the box that my niece has been admiring since she was old enough to sneak a peak over my sister’s art table… the box that you guys would have “boo-hooed” had I entered it in a contest here because you would have thought it too nice to use...
Great furniture gets used lest it is just a piece of junk. The winner of this contest is a Great tool chest. It deserved to win. Greg, well done! - Use it - bang it up - and make great works from its contents, for one day, it too may become the beautiful thing that it has the potential of being.

Re: Poll: The Next FWW Tool Test

Combo Machines - I for one like tool reviews they help me plan out purchases. I have purchased the "Tool Review" issue for the last 5 years, and must say I am disappointed (FAR too many repeats from year to year). That said, I saw this list and like the others thought, "my gosh you've reviewed these tools these to death!", then I thought; "What I really want, they'll never do - Combo-machines", but then I read the posts, and saw Judgewood, SeaJay, Craftique, Nickedfinger, all asking for the same thing. Maybe I'm not the only one who wants to "do it all" yet figure out how to do it out of a 2-car garage. I don't know if I would want a Shop Smith (think I'd prefer a more heavy-duty machine), but I sure would like to see it up against Mini-Max, Felder, Hammer, Robland, etc. side-by-side, so that I can make that decision based on the features, pros and cons. So there it is, PLEASE review combo-machines.

Re: Thomas Jefferson book stand

Fantastic project! I would love to see this as a project with plans inside the pages of Fine Woodworking. Have you thought of submitting it?

Re: Scrapbooking Cabinet

Let's put it this way. I made the mistake of showing this to my wife... there is now a color print of it on the fridg with the words "HINT" all over it... so needless to say, she passes her complements as well... Mokusakusensei was right, wish I had thought to keep my big mouth shut ;-) So yes Kev, if you'd be willing to share any info, I'd be greatful.

Re: Scrapbooking Cabinet

fantastic design. My wife would LOVE it! Did you by chance draw up plans? If so, willing to share?



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