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Re: New Study Discusses Tablesaw Injuries

Legislation for Tablesaws? What's next a waiting period for buying a sharp chisel? Where the hell does it end. I dont want the government in my shop, telling me how to run a machine. It came with guards and a riving knife. both work good.

The Saw-Stop is a very nice, over priced, device that does work. When it doesn't who's going to sue them. They have been the basis for a lot of lawsuits, especially when a worker is put on a Table saw and told to run it with maybe an Hours worth of instruction. Of course the Contractor who hired the worker off the street didn't have any insurance, so suing him was out of the question, for these slip and fall lawyers.

Whatever happened to PERSONAL Responsibility. You bought the saw and if you refuse to use it as it was designed its your own damn fault.

Re: New Study Discusses Tablesaw Injuries

Legislation for Tablesaws? What's next a waiting period for buying a sharp chisel? Where the hell does it end. I dont want the government in my shop, telling me how to run a machine. It came with guards and a riving knife. both work good.

The Saw-Stop is a very nice, over priced, device that does work. When it doesn't who's going to sue them. They have been the basis for a lot of lawsuits, especially when a worker is put on a Table saw and told to run it with maybe an Hours worth of instruction. Of course the Contractor who hired the worker off the street didn't have any insurance, so suing him was out of the question, for these slip and fall lawyers.

Whatever happened to PERSONAL Responsibility. You bought the saw and if you refuse to use it as it was designed its your own damn fault.

Re: Homemade Slot Mortiser Has all the Right Moves

You know if you add, an X,Y,Z Servos you won't have to crank and move that thing by hand. LOL. Great set up.

Re: Patricks workshop

Great picture, thanks now I don't feel so bad, ...

Re: Does MDF Belong in Fine Furniture?

I want to know how long before the Government bans its sale here in the U.S. With all those 'dangerous' chemicals in it, it shouldn't be long. "Afteral its for our own good."

They banned French Polish made by Zinzer and now only sold in Canada.

Re: Help us design a workbench for power-tool lovers

Somebody asked about a 30 Amp circuit you can't get that in 120 volt not a receptacle. If you need that much then the machine should be rewired to 240 volts to reduce the current.

For my shop I ran a 40 amp service to a sub panel. I have the table saw on 240, all electric heters are 240, the lighting is configured to a 3 wire edison so that the breakers see 240 volts. Dust collector is 240 I can run all the heaters, the table saw and dust collector at the same time without a problem.

For 120 volt circuits I have 2 20 amp circuits to either side of the shop wired with 15 amp receptacle per strap. If you need a dedicated 20 amp then you will need a 20 amp rated receptacle on a single yoke.

Got to remember how many tools can you use at once. My shop is a one man shop and I keep it that way.

Even with the two 240 volt saw and dust collector and heaters running I am with in 80% capacity of the service. Which is quite acceptable.

If you are rewiring a shop make sure everything is grounded. And don't depend on a ground rod to trip the breaker in the case of a fault. on the 120 volt circuits it is required to use a GFCIs ahead of the down stream receptacles, its good protection. They are cheaper than the breaker. Two GFCI's 15amp 20amp feedthru.

Thats the way I'd do it. or you can bump it up to 100 amp and put in a 30 space panel with all the bells a whistles and at todays wire prices and breakers you are starting to get into some serious money.

Re: Who needs a saw? Just blow up the next tree you need to fell

I think I'll leave this to the pros or the X-perts. But you got to wonder, who looks for these videos, They too, got to be a few beers short of a 6-pak.

Re: More Details on the Carlos Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

I think I may have a defective Table saw. When I stand in front of the blade, it turns down into the table, but when I stand on the left side the blade turns clockwise and when I stand on the right side it turns counter clock wise.

Hey this might be worth a couple of hundred thou. That confused blade can't make up its mind which direction it's going.

But again frame of reference is important and if you change your frame of reference the rotation of the blade will neccessarily change too. We have shifted from personal responsibility to finding someone else to blame for something that's my fault.

Unbelievable. And the Trial Lawyers are making a fortune off companies who manufacture products people want.

Re: More Details on the Carlos Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

So call me a slow learner. I realize now this was a 'Work' related accident, not one in the basement. Being an Electrical Contractor for 20 + years, this is a whole new ballgame.

Osario was hired off the street to work for a flooring company. Which means he had no experience using a table saw. IF he did it was not much. That is what the prospective employer should assume. If there were no guards on the machine and obviously no other safety devices, ...where was the ever present OSHA, This was a clear violation of OSHA safety rules. Where was the State, county and city inspectors for this job, surely, they needed a permit for this job. If that contractor gave this 'New guy' a quickie lesson on how to use a table saw then this redistributes blame.

Secondly, Was this guy hired in the parking lot of Home Depot ? Is English this guy Osario's first language ? Is he an "undocumented Worker"( to be PC) who may have not understood the instructions, if he didn't it was his responsibility to say so and get further instructions on what to do. If anybody should have been sued it should have been the flooring contractor it was his employee, who he trained to run a table saw. But of course the contractor is samll potatoes compared to Ryobi.

This gives a good case for Unions. They would never allow an apprentice to run that machine on his first time on a jobsite and especially without proper safety equipment. On this, I agree with the Union .

After that contractor bought that saw it was his, I don't see how Ryobi can be held responsibile, he was sold a saw, a saws function is to cut wood, it did. And why didn't the contractor hire someone familar with construction tools and equipment?...Like say, a Carpenter. Because, he was a small contractor and couldn't afford to hire a qualified worker.

Also we didn't hear anything about what Workmens Compensation had to say about this, they too should be involved, after all governments want to regulate every aspect of our lives.

When we did a job on a site, anything pertaining to the electrical end of it, the Electrical Contractor was responsible. Even extension cords. We would(shall) supply them, if some trade showed up with an unapproved cord, we would get the fine from OSHA. That was the case when there was an option of approved grounding means as opposed to GFCIs. That may have changed with the new code, but regardless. The contractor has ultimate responsibility on the jobsite. Not the manufacturer of the equipment.

Re: More Details on the Carlos Osorio Tablesaw Lawsuit

He made the cut without Rip fence, no guard, or splitter, I didn't know they rewarded stupidity. But he's only 35% responsibility. There was somebody else in the room holding a gun on him to run that saw. We have reached the bottom of the barrel. We have gone from a Nation of Laws to a nation of victims, it doesn't matter what you do it's not your fault, just find a good 'slip and fall' lawyer and he'll prove the it wasn't your fault.

Also Ryobi is suppose to retro-fit his saw with a flesh stop. How absurd. He obviously bought the Saw before they came out or he refused to pay the extra money for that feature. NOW, who can they blame for that...Ryobi, of course... they made it so expensive he couldn't afford the extra bucks for that particular safety feature. Boy, oh boy you can't argue with that kind of convoluted logic.

Re: Miracle Shield Blocks Kickback

He said this thing is better than a Flak-Jacket, they never stopped bullets. I guess the new Kevlar's do but the originals didn't. 85F/S is almost 60 miles/hour.

I guess they removed the guard for demonstration purposes, ONLY, eh ? Can anyone imagine using a 2 foot Push Stick that has got to be awkward too.

This must be the cheap version of the Saw Stop Brake. Like using 5kv rated gloves on a 20kv line.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

It seems like the industry of Making Machines are striving to make every machine Idiot proof. Only problem is only idiots can't get hurt. For example, on punch presses, they now, or for a long time now, have what they call to initiate the sequence, 'Hands out of Dye' operation. The part is placed into the dye, gates are closed, and two start buttone on either side of the dye have to be pressed together in order to start the machine. One cycle, part comes out new one is inserted. Hence Idiot proof ...Right.

Until from lack of maintenance, age or maybe a corrosive atmosphere, one of those buttons develops a short and it is always clsoed the operator soon discovers that and is now running the machine with one button.

On repetitive work or cuts on the table saw it is up to the operator to know his limitations without losing concentration. With rotating machinery they are a constant hazard. The watch word should always be caution. I've seen an operator turn a machine off and just before the motor stopped the machine started back up by itself, a defective start stop switch, had a defective spring in the operator mechanism and didn't completely disengage the start button. This was on a newer model Table saw.

When mechanical relays were used to control machines contacts were famous for welding themselves shut requiring the operator to shut the whold machine down by disconnecting the power to the machine. A lot of the time the control voltage was 480 volts the same as that which fed the motors. This was finally changed in the 70's. But even now with computer control, Lightniing strikes or even a line transient can screw up the computer and virtually change the logic and they can have similar problems.

These new Table saws are great, however, I'd be willing to bet after replacing the first blade and trip mechanism, which are not cheap, someone some where will find a way to defeat them.

Again the watch word is ultimately the Operators responisbility to be alert and be familar with the machine he is operating.

Regardless what Bells and Whistles come with the machine to guarantee safety there is no guarantee for safety, just caution.

Re: Man Wins Big Money in Tablesaw Lawsuit

Dr. Hacker summed it up. Personal responsibility. The first job I had after service was in a Steel mill. I worked second shift. There were over head cranes and to guys on the floor who would hook up the Coils of steel to move from the slitting machine to a shipping bay.

The guys hooking up the steel were called, "Hookers". Usually a 72 inch wide coil of steel would go through a slitter which cut the steel into different sizes which was fed to a take up reel that had spavers for how many ribbons of steel the job called to cut.

One night there was a horrible accident one of the 'Hookers ' got his hand caught in the take up reel and cut four 4 fingers off right there on the spot. He wound up suing the company, the State and on and on. It was thrown out of court because, the Hooker didn't mention he had been drinking before the accident(at that time it was common preactice most of those guys were virtually drunk on the job) and that was enough to kill the case. If a Union Steward said he was working on a case, he wasn't talking about and Arbitration suit. The drinking was a standard practice at that plant and a lot of accidents as a result.

The man that got that huge reward, nothing was said, how it happeded but they blamed the machine. This kind of non sense has put us into a Nanny State.

Most accidents happen for a reason, carelessness, drinking while working with a power saw or a rotary machine but mostly familiarity breeds contempt, but in the end the user is the victim.

Mark

Re: Having Trouble Finishing? Here's a Great Product

I have used the wipe on poly and didn't like it.

Want a wipe on finish that is really quick. Use 50% Sherman-Williams fast dry gloss varnish, or any other fast dry varnish, mixed with 50% Naptha. Start wiping it on in the back and by the time you reach the front of the project the back is already dry. No dust, dirt or anything else to worry about. Plain paper towels work fine as an applicator, single sheet folded into a rectangle or square whatever you prefer. Use a small squeeze bottle to apply. If the dry time is too fast use less naptha or mineral spirits. Plain ordinary Naptha, not the High Flash too much sulphur in it.

You can re coat in an hour. 3 coats in a day. I have re-coated in as quick as 10 minutes.

Re: 10 Ways to Avoid Shop Fires

This is where Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters and Arc Fault Interrupters come in handy. Either would have opened the circuit immediately. The breaker didn't trip? Then faulty breaker, or too big for the job, or the run is too long for the wire, not allowing enough current to pass through the breaker to trip it.

Don't rely on a single ground rod to clear a fault. The grounding conductor, the bare, green must be run all the way back to the main panel,also it should be isolated in the sub-panel, from the neutral. if the one in the shop is a sub panel. Either way that ground must be tied to the Grounded Conductor (white/Neutral) at the point of Service attachment, usually at the Main Service Panel (some states allow the meter socket to be the grounding point). This is what clears the fault for any breaker in the system.

GFCI's don't even need to be grounded to work effectively. They have a comparator inside that samples the current leaving the Hot and compares the return current on the Neutral if the imbalance if greater than 4-6 miliamps the circuit will open protecting the machine but more importantly personnel and property.

The GFCI came out in 1970, only recently, last 5 years or so, has it been discovered that Lightning can wipe out the electronics in a GFCI. You can push the reset button and the power comes back on but the circuit has no protection, the electronics are toast. The good news the NEW ONES , once it takes a lightning hit, they can not be reset and must be replaced.

Also remember even if you have Air-Terminals, Lightning Portection, that is not a failsafe against Lightning strikes, it does strike trees and other wooden objects.

The trouble with electricity is, it almost always works, But when you have a fault you want it off ...NOW.

They also make GFCI's for 240 volts, great for machines and safe, one less thing to worry about.

Re: Cache boite electrique

Gee, that's a bit much to cover a Service Panel Where's the door that's spose to come with it?

Re: 10 Ways to Avoid Shop Fires

To Ray Russel Sr. Your shop sounds almost fire proof. It sounds like you were sold a bill of goods on that EARTH Ground. Unless that Earth Ground is bonded to the main Service panel. Then it is virtually useless. This is recommended for the discharge of static electricity. This has been tried before and a Rod 8-10 feet long just doesn't to rid stray voltage. Ask once that static electricity gets to the ground rod where does it go ? It meets 25 ohms resistance, it could bleed off and eventually go to the earth or not.

Testing has shown without bonding to the service panel, that Earth ground has between 25-50 ohms resistance. And that depends on your soil and really how much rain you have had. The Earth is a terrible conductor. Primarily the Earth is used for Lightning strikes and can not function to clear a fault, a short, a partial short or even a ground fault. The purpose of a circuit breaker is to clear the fault quickly with in a 1/10 of a second to prevent fires. GFCI's and the New Arc Fault breakers are not a bad idea for a shop with a lot of wood dust The Arc fault breakers AFCI's are expensive but they can detect a parallel faults and a series fault, In other words, a line to neutral of a broken hot that is intermittently arcing or an open neutral that is carrying current that is arcing.

Ground rods by themselves, can cause a myriad of problems by them selves, and a potentia above ground i.e., shock hazards, they can cause stray voltages to be floating around on metal parts. This is why it is so important to home run a wire from the ground rod to the main Service panel. All grounds in lighting fixtures, receptacles and any other device available shall be home run to the service panel.

It was once said, we spend an awful lot of time terminating wires( the groundwire) in hopes it will never have to be used.

Since I have been into woodworking, I have found that machines wired with 120 volts, both the Hot and Neutral are both switched, I even called the manufacture on it and they blew me off, but if the neutral opens on a machine like that and you energize that machine, it could become hot to the touch. Obviously manufactures don't follow the NEC (National Electrical Code.) A lot of these machines are made in China and they follow one plan, color coding is wrong too, so one must be careful when checking connections.

Another thing is, if you have water lines and gas lines running to the shop they too should be ground/bonded to the service panel.

One last thing Electricity doesn't take the shortest path to ground it takes all paths back to the source, the transformer...not to ground.

I apologize for the length of this but there are many things related and preventing fires, and personnel safety and especially with little kids in the shop at times, safety is of prime concern.

Re: Dovetailed drawers are overrated

I agree Justin. Where would furniture production be without machines. No question. I made my first drawer at age 15, my step-father was a Trim carpenter, from Denmark, for the next three years I spent summers installing kitchens, cabinets countertops the whole 9-yards. The drawers were over lap drawers held together with 3 no.6 coated box nails per joint, and when he was done it was a beautiful job. He called them Swedish dowels.

If it works fine do it if it suits your purpose. But I have never seen so much complaining, and, yes, attacking one type of joinery. As I said below I just learned how to make Dovetails with a chisel and saw. I had the same ideas everybody else did, don't need them , too tough and on and on take way too much time. Unless you are under time constraints, have a schedule to meet, is not the purpose of woodworking: supposed to be, fun, relaxing, change of scenery from the "ball and chain", a shop in the woods. But I see people going to great lengths to convince us or themselves that dovetails are not worth the effort, fine, you know whatever 'floats yer boat' but as a joint if it had no merit it would NOT have lasted for a couple thousand years.

Did you know Dovetails date back to before Written history. They have found them in the Pyramids. I have even read that dovetails are antedeluvian, before the flood. So my friends they are not going away, any time soon.

It is what you might call where we came from as woodworkers. Its part of our history.

Re: Dovetailed drawers are overrated

Melamine for kitchen drawers ? If anyone even considers buying that ought to pay an extra 3000 for that. I've never known anyone slapping a "set of Dove tails" on anything, hand cut dove tails take time, alot more that the machine.

So anyone who bothers to learn to cut dovetails is either Vane, a purist or an Elitist. And that from a Carpenter, ergo, it must be so and the self congratulatory pat on the back. Talk about an elitist attitude ? So you've done your apprentiship and you are done learning, that is a sad place to be.

Semper Fi, Buddy.

Re: Dovetailed drawers are overrated

Stress?... Now I've heard everything, woodworking is suppose to be fun, creative and relaxing. But Stressful, we are not navigating through Shark infested waters in a Birchbark canoe.

To each his own, Pinned joints are fine. Hell, you can use No.6 sinkers (box nails and call'em Swedish Dowels.) to pin the joints together. I read the article on drawers without dovetails and it is a quick and easy way to put them together, they even recommend trimming off a 1/16 on the bottom to create part of the reveal.

But trying to pass the pinned joint off being as good as dovetails, like comparing a Chevy to a Beamer, it just can't be done the aesthetics just aren't there.


Re: The Mysterious Case of the Exploding Shellac Can

Afterall, it is an alcohol base and after 5 years, maybe it had started to ferment. Stranger things have happened.

Re: Dovetailed drawers are overrated

I have a Dovetail jig with all the bells and whistles, it can make different size tails but you are screwing around with the setup, practice cuts adjust this knob the move that one and maybe you'll be close. That I think is more frustrating than making a bad cut with a Dovetail Saw, or missing completely and running the Dovetail saw across your finger requiring, time out to get stitches.

Hand cut Dovetails are the essense of Woodworking. They take time to master but with patience it comes. I finally broke down and took a two day class on nothing but Hand cut Dovetails and it was worth every penny. I just finished 7 shop cabinets all the carcases are dovetailed, you can go nuts with sizes and designs on width. I used Roof flashing(aluminum, cuts easy to make templates) The feeling of satisfaction of putting them together with your fist is a true feeling of knowing you have really accomplished something.

Thats how I see it.

Re: Bench Cookie Giveaway

Cookies ? What kind are they Chocolate ?

Re: Townsend Inspired High Chest of Drawers

That is nice.

Re: Still don't have a workbench? This one is easy

I built it and it is great. In a word very sturdy. In my area I couldn't find 4 x 4's untreated so I used the treated work out fine. The other day when at my favorite lumber company, what do I find untreated 4 x 4's, go figure. The nice thing about this bench if it gets a little loose just tighten it up.

I just added another 144 square feet to my workshop to spread out a bit, was getting a little cramped with a 12 x 16, so now it up to 12 x 28 should be nicer.

Re: Who Begot Who? Comparing Planes from Lie-Nielsen, Wood River and Stanley

Ok...So maybe my approach was all wrong. What are the salient features of the Lee-Nielsen. June 13, I'm taking a Wood working class in Philidelphia, Dove-tails, they recommend Lee-Nielsen, Tite Mark, Two cheerys and so on.

I am a Master Electrician by trade, for 40 years I bought nothing but the best but now I am retired, so I have gotten cheap. Reading the posts above, especially the one about the 'Knock-offs' really brought it home. For example, just about everything that has a screw connection, needs to be torqued to a specification provided by the manufacture. Of course. the higher the voltage the more critical the torque spec., I had just bought a Craftsman screwdriver and the first twist the tip twisted, My Kleins never twisted, disgusted I threw the screwdriver away. Sure I could take it back, but being in business I didn't have the time to waste to drive all the way to Sears for a replacement.

So bottom line, I see the error of my ways.

Re: Who Begot Who? Comparing Planes from Lie-Nielsen, Wood River and Stanley

Chabber, 1/1000 of an inch eh ? Hehehe...

The implication is that Woodcraft took proprietery information and created a cheaper look-a-like plane. In most states that is a serious Offense, with jail time attached. When I worked for E.W.Bliss, all our drawings had a proprietery statement stamped right on the drawings. At one International Trade Show in Chicago, at McCormack Place, the standing rule was nobody took pictures of the other guys machines, etc, out of courtesey to that company and to the ethics of the trade. There were a lot of 'Asians'(there were probably others but the Asians were the most blatant about it) running around with cameras, and even sketch pads trying to get an edge on their competition.

There's an old saying, 'You get what you pay for', but where is that fine line where you are getting your money's worth and actually getting 'ripped-off' for what you're paying. I guess if I were a professional Woodworker I might consider paying $1000 dollars for two planes, but if you are just out of trade school and starting your own business, that's an awful steep price.

As far as China goes get use to it. They just about own this country, and if they decide to get rid of US as a financial burden we will be in really bad shape. America use to be a great competitor until the Government realized they couldn't pay for all it's social programs without first taxing the socks off Big companies that made quality products, hence they moved over seas.

Lee-Nielsen is one of the last quality company's and it shows but I can't afford his prices and buy wood at the same time. And soon it will cost about $1.50 everytime I start my tablesaw.

Re: Who Begot Who? Comparing Planes from Lie-Nielsen, Wood River and Stanley

Can anyone explain why Lee-Nielsen's are so much better than the original Stanley No. 7 or whatever the number is. I know better steel, but at what point are you paying for the name rather than a quality product.

Do the more expensive, (like 500% more that the normal price), Lee-Nielsen ever need to be sharpened ? Or do they last forever, Never Needs Sharpening...But there isn't a piece of steel made that is used for a cutting tool that doesn't need to be sharpened.

So how does anyone justify a $500 dollar bill for a number 7 Jointer or 150 bucks for a simple block plane. We are talking hand tools here and planing wood, not a CNC precision tool machining titanium Airplane parts with a tolerance of +/- .005 of an inch or better.

Another thing is parts ever since Henry Ford most tools and machines with more than one part have replacement parts readily available. If you break a trunion on your table saw do you go out and buy another table saw ? No of course not you buy another trunion.

We are doing the same job our Grand-fathers did 100 years ago planing wood, He made some really nice furniture with the tools he had available and he knew how to take care of them and keep them sharp, regardless who made them.

Re: SHAKER PIE SAFE

That looks great. what kind of finish ?

Re: The Not So Big Workshop

Hey Kevin, look at it this way, it is yours. Your young, You have a shop, a family, a home. You live in Pittsburgh, and the Steelers are in the playoffs and one game fromt the big show. So grab a Rolling Rock and enjoy.

All good things take time.

Re: Woodworking as brain-food

I was really jazzed about your article until you mentioned
WWW.aarp.org. Nothing about the organization, just that I keep getting letters from them asking me to join.



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